Debate HatinisBad on why Internet assholes like you guys so religious and conservative - Originally in Deep Thoughts.

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While I'm sure this was at least initially an attempt to kick the hornet's nest, I'll answer you honestly with a brief history lesson:
Back in the 90s-2000s, American culture was conservative. The overarching culture was hanging on to the "Everything is excellent" narrative that had kept America going from the 50s onwards, and with the recent dismantling of the Soviet Union, there was a lot of reason to be a smug conservative. It was during this time that a rise of something called counter-culture began to, well, arise. It rose up from the disenfranchised, the needy, those who had been forgotten, and those who struggled - Rap groups, Grunge, The Simpsons, etc., etc.. These were people who had been told "Don't worry! Everything is fine, and America is great!" while standing in a pile of refuse and unpaid bills. The system had failed them, and it was about to be the system's problem.
9/11 was part of the wakeup call that things were going poorly, and that maybe America wasn't as great as it could be. And suddenly, advertisers and companies realized if they latched on to the "America sucks" bandwagon that they could make a lot of money. And they did. Inevitably, the counter-culture just became culture. A lot of people who believed in Christ and many of the things that conservatism stood for(in theory) had to quietly abandon their beliefs, or otherwise find another way to be themselves. This cultural conflict rose to a boiling point in 2015 when Trump ran for office initially, and it's never been the same since.
So that's where all the conservatives went. They didn't go anywhere, they just got drowned out by what was considered the new status quo. To answer your questions on "Why not hedonism?", on the other hand - There's nothing stopping you from doing all the drugs and having all the sex you want until your body breaks. After all, never planning for your future always goes well, just look at KingCobraJFS.
 
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HatinisBad dijo:
You think letting others make decisions for you is the ultimate way to live?
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If your parents hadn't made decisions for you, you wouldn't be alive.

If God the Father hadn't made decisions for you, you also wouldn't be alive, but for different reasons.

I often deferred to people in authoritative positions in my life when they understood something better than I did. Anyways, you choosing to spergout on KiwiFarms, coupled with your apparent narcissism and hedonism, suggests that you routinely make poor decisions and that you ought to be tard wrangled. Enjoy STDs and drug overdoses, stalker child.
 
Lei Wulong's Left Leg dijo:
While I'm sure this was at least initially an attempt to kick the hornet's nest, I'll answer you honestly with a brief history lesson:
Back in the 90s-2000s, American culture was conservative. The overarching culture was hanging on to the "Everything is excellent" narrative that had kept America going from the 50s onwards, and with the recent dismantling of the Soviet Union, there was a lot of reason to be a smug conservative. It was during this time that a rise of something called counter-culture began to arise. It rose up from the disenfranchised, the needy, those who had been forgotten, and those who struggled - Rap groups, Grunge, The Simpsons, etc., etc.. These were people who had been told "Don't worry! Everything is fine, and America is great!" while standing in a pile of refuse and unpaid bills. The system had failed them, and it was about to be the system's problem.
9/11 was part of the wakeup call that things were going poorly, and that maybe America wasn't as great as it could be. And suddenly, advertisers and companies realized if they latched on to the "America sucks" bandwagon that they could make a lot of money. And they did. Inevitably, the counter-culture just became culture. A lot of people who believed in Christ and many of the things that conservatism stood for(in theory) had to quietly abandon their beliefs, or otherwise find another way to be themselves. This cultural conflict rose to a boiling point in 2015 when Trump ran for office initially, and it's never been the same since.
So that's where all the conservatives went. They didn't go anywhere, they just got drowned out by what was considered the new status quo. To answer your questions on "Why not hedonism?", on the other hand - There's nothing stopping you from doing all the drugs and having all the sex you want until your body breaks. After all, never planning for your future always goes well, just look at KingCobraJFS.
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I mean, I was a little drunk and somewhat serious, but I would say I have successfully "kicked the hornet's nest" given how this has gone on for 8 pages!
 
You don't know your audience like you think you do. There is no monolith here. You're an alcoholic janitor. Your life is a disaster.
 
HatinisBad dijo:
I'm playing KCD2 and it's the best game I've ever played.
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HatinisBad dijo:
Most people have these "traditional lives" because they were constantly told they had to, and never considered for a second that it's optional. That's why so many are miserable, they aren't living true to themselves.

And since we're on the topic of child porn, how about them Epstein Files?
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Traditions didn’t just pop up out of nowhere everything has already been tried. Traditions usually lasted because they worked. It’s a special kind of hubris to believe you’ve stumbled upon some esoteric knowledge that’s never been tried, This whole website is filled with just those people and I’m not even particularly religious. I think things should stand up logically. If there’s a god, then he knew we’d develop reason and logic.
 
Fuggalope dijo:
Humans need religion. In the absence of it, a secular version is created. Just look at marxism and leftist/woke ideology. They removed the Christian god, and then inverted the Christian morality, but kept the basic framework.

Original sin and privilege are the same thing. Both require one seek atonement and forgiveness. Degeneracy has replaced virtue. The followers of leftist and woke ideology believe that their faith in leftist causes make them a good person, and that questioning that faith is a blasphemy.

They react the same way to race statistics or transgender facts the same way an evangelical reacts when you tell them the earth is more than 6000 years old, or that dinosaurs actually existed.

The difference is that Christian morality and traditions are a net positive for humanity.
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This arguments ignores that there are people who are not marxists and are atheists (like me), the idea that if I don't believe in God I will believe in other cult is silly, also christian morality today is a severely securalized version of what it was, if you took christianity less than 1000 years ago it was just as bad as Islam is today, and if those people existed today you would characterize their beliefs as savage and incompatible with civilized society, for example:
  • Trial by ordeal: We will make you hold a hot iron, if you get burned you are guilty and executed, if you don't get burn you were innocent because God saved you.
  • Judicial duels: If you kill your opponent you were right because God wanted you to win.
  • Witch trials and torturing/killing people who they thought were summoning demons.
  • Torturing people for not following the rules in christianity (heresy).
  • Belief of things having magical powers, such as the bones of saints.
  • Practicing self harm such as flagelation.
  • Believing that disasters such as a bad crop or other natural disasters were caused by God, and therefore someone needs to pay.
  • Anti-scientific views in general that halted progress for society.
  • Religious wars even among christians to see which version religion is correct.
And I'm sure there are many more, the idea that christianity or religion in general is a net positive is so far away from reality only religious people believe in it, you are looking at the Disney version of religion after it was downgraded several iterations by secular people, what you call christian morality and christian tradition is not actual christian morality and tradition, you don't even need to go back 1000 years, even 100 you had blasphemy laws in a lot of places, 200 years ago the chruch still supported monarchy over democracy, you had to pass religious tests in schools, etc.
 
HatinisBad dijo:
By the way, losers, gen z is still the least religious followed by millennials. Of the people who are religious, most aren't calling to outlaw all the fun shit.
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I don't mind if people aren't religious, religion isn't something to be forced upon people. Their personal beliefs are up to their own choice.
 
HatinisBad dijo:
By the way, losers, gen z is still the least religious followed by millennials.
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Well, that's unfortunate.

Because popularity has no bearing on whether an opinion is the correct one.

HatinisBad dijo:
Of the people who are religious, most aren't calling to outlaw all the fun shit. THAT is why you got beat up in high school.
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Didn't happen. Still failing to see how you don't give a fuck if you're implying that I deserve to be bullied.

Since you're citing statistics, I might as well cite a study regarding the effects of religion and spirituality on one's physical and mental health. They seem to be generally positive. That's interesting, since you've said--

HatinisBad dijo:
Trust me, nothing will improve your life more than abandoning God and learning to no give a fuck.
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--despite religion being correlated with lower rates of depression and suicide.

So where do you see yourself in 10, 20 years? Blowing your brains out like Lowtax when the consequences of living however you want catch up with you?

Anime Waifu NFT collector dijo:
also christian morality today is a severely securalized version of what it was, if you took christianity less than 1000 years ago it was just as bad as Islam is today, and if those people existed today you would characterize their beliefs as savage and incompatible with civilized society, for example:
  • Trial by ordeal: We will make you hold a hot iron, if you get burned you are guilty and executed, if you don't get burn you were innocent because God saved you.
  • Judicial duels: If you kill your opponent you were right because God wanted you to win.
  • Witch trials and torturing/killing people who they thought were summoning demons.
  • Torturing people for not following the rules in christianity (heresy).
  • Belief of things having magical powers, such as the bones of saints.
  • Practicing self harm such as flagelation.
  • Believing that disasters such as a bad crop or other natural disasters were caused by God, and therefore someone needs to pay.
  • Anti-scientific views in general that halted progress for society.
  • Religious wars even among christians to see which version religion is correct.
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Cool, now tell me where you found those in the New Testament. As a matter of fact, there are biblical passages that clearly contradict most of them.

Anime Waifu NFT collector dijo:
And I'm sure there are many more, the idea that christianity or religion in general is a net positive is so far away from reality only religious people believe in it
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Then explain the research linked above.
 
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I have yet to be given any satisfactory argument in favor of religion or the Bible btw. Christianity comes from Judaism which comes from a polytheistic religion the Canaanites followed, and somehow their storm god became the Christian god.

Over time, the Bible has been edited by the rich and powerful. For much of it's history, most people couldn't and/or weren't even allowed to read it. A lot of what we have today probably came from power tripping royalty or clergy who edited things in and out. It's very likely because originally the stories were told verbally, not written. Ever played the game telephone? It's like that, but billions of people playing it over centuries.
 
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