DC Comics Multimedia General - A crisis of infinite fuck ups

[Humble Architect]

That would be ideal, and in fact I would argue, that's the character at her best— Teenage girl finding her way.

I think the reason they haven't done that is that current climate is they just can't fathom a strong female character being inspired by a guy. No, she has to be a girl boss.

CW made her a basically Clark in a skirt, and even the Superhero girls adaptation had to change the dynamic and make Superman the asshole narcissist sibling/cousin. By the trailers Gunn seems to be aiming at "she is the realist" , to naive Clark.

The idea that a woman could be inspired by a man, even if that man is Superman, it's like poison to this people. As it was degrading her instead of making him relatable and strong in her own way.

Well you can have jaded Kara, realistically being in Clark’s shadow would do nothing but worsen her state of mind post-Krypton.

Dead world, dead family, failed duty to protect her cousin and now, after arriving late. He’s the champion of the new world, in his thirties and now she’s gonna be seen as the “other Kryptonian” and won’t ever be at his level, both physical strength-wise (he matured under a yellow sun) or reputation-wise.

But the alcoholic slut who’s needlessly mean to her cousin and for some reason has taken the man’s dog (movie Krypto is a rodent breed and a mutt), that’s very funny in an unintentional way from Tom King and Gunn. That’s what they think is an empowered woman.

In Superman/Batman, Kara arriving was met with suspicion and the Trinity all warring over her. Clark is the only one who blindly believed in his cousin and in one of the best Superman moments ever, almost ripped off Artemis’ arm when the dyke was going for a dirty strike.

 

[Newcomer 42]

This is going to be Gunn's last movie, at least for DC, I hope.

 

[Basic Blond Boy]

I think the reason they haven't done that is that current climate is they just can't fathom a strong female character being inspired by a guy. No, she has to be a girl boss.

A bigger reason is that she has never been properly defined as a character. Her backstory keeps changing, often drastically, her role routinely shifting from sidekick to character that has nothing to do with Clark beyond the super title, and her personality is whatever the writer feels like.

She isn’t Robin, Robin has a firm backstory, role and a natural progression of him leaving the nest to become his own man. In theory, it shouldn’t be hard to create a story for Supergirl. The pieces are there, but we are discussing writers who don’t give a fuck, so none of them will connect the pieces into anything worthwhile. Tom King is shit, but he gives them a modern pre-made story so he wins.

You can make a Supergirl movie for cheap. Just have her struggle with being in her cousin's shadow. Have her meet up with an agent who has her do all sorts of nuisance streamer stunts to raise her popularity. Stage some supervillain fights. Then have her realize that her newfound fame is hollow and doing the right thing is not glamorous it is, its own reward and she accepts being second fiddle to Clark. The post credits have Power Girl show up and she expresses her frustration with now being number 3 in popularity, end on a boob joke.

This is literally a DC Super Hero Girl’s plot, mixed in with a little Justice League Action.

In DCSHG, Kara gets fed up being overlooked compared to Superman, in addition to Livewire using her online show to mock her. She then becomes Powergirl to make herself distinct and ends up being loved a lot more than ever before. She then grows an ego which places her at conflict with the rest of the girls, particularly Batgirl. She eats shit for it because Livewire, but embraces her friends as her support system.

To follow up @Incecticyder this is how they can properly adapt Livewire as a Supergirl antagonist. It perfectly updates her role as a shock jock to modern internet loudmouth. Sad Lauren isn’t given credit for how well done her version and the goth girl design are.

 

[Incecticyder]

By the trailers Gunn seems to be aiming at "she is the realist" , to naive Clark.

Well you can have jaded Kara, realistically being in Clark’s shadow would do nothing but worsen her state of mind post-Krypton.

Dead world, dead family, failed duty to protect her cousin and now, after arriving late. He’s the champion of the new world, in his thirties and now she’s gonna be seen as the “other Kryptonian” and won’t ever be at his level, both physical strength-wise (he matured under a yellow sun) or reputation-wise.

But the alocholic slut who’s needlessly mean to her cousin and for some reason has taken the man’s dog (movie Krypto is a rodent breed and a mutt), that’s very funny in an unintentional way from Tom King and Gunn. That’s what they think is an empowered woman.

In Superman/Batman, Kara arriving was met with suspicion and the Trinity all warring over her. Clark is the only one who blindly believed in his cousin and in one of the best Superman moments ever, almost ripped off Artemis’ arm when the dyke was going for a dirty strike.

A depressed Supergirl trying to find hope and home on Earth would work.

Milly Alcott is cute, I don't know why the make up and costume people worked so hard to make her ugly.

She can be. Unfortunately, she has very aggressive eyes along with a constant scowl. That doesn't work as easily. That is why I suggested Classic smiling Supergirl or Punk aggressive Supergirl as a look. One minimizes the effect of her scowling face while the other leans on it.

To follow up @Incecticyder this is how they can properly adapt Livewire as a Supergirl antagonist. It perfectly updates her role as a shock jock to modern internet loudmouth. Sad Lauren isn’t given credit for how well done her version and the goth girl design are.

Would work. They won't do it because that would make a woman evil.

 

[Cnut]

How will that help ticket sales?

Ticket sales?

 

[Mystery Spy]

This is going to be Gunn's last movie, at least for DC, I hope.

Probably. Still, even if Gunn wasn’t the best choice, I do wonder if DC could survive the whole process of yet another cinematic universe reboot in such a short amount of time,

Even if they Axed Gunn, it would take years for replacement to establish their own DC universe, Will it be too late by then?

If they do it, they need to be damn sure his replacement is actually talented enough to pull it off. I imagine people will be too jaded to care if they fail 3 times in a row.

By that point they should probably just make animations their flagship products, with the odd promising live action movie now and then.

In DCSHG, Kara gets fed up being overlooked compared to Superman, in addition to Livewire using her online show to mock her. She then becomes Powergirl to make herself distinct and ends up being loved a lot more than ever before. She then grows an ego which places her at conflict with the rest of the girls, particularly Batgirl. She eats shit for it because Livewire, but embraces her friends as her support system.

I do think Lauren is talented. She has always made a point to make quality cartoons, for girls.

However, I didn’t like some choices she made such as making Diana’s Wonder Woman, a Teenager, instead of using Donna. And, her odd choice of making her version of Superman a narcissistic glory hound. I don’t think you need to make Superman look bad to make Supergirl look good, like she did.

To be fair, she was hired to make a superhero high school show for girls to sell dolls. So most of it was fine for her target audience. She definitely took cues from the DCAU, and proved on her own way, that the overlooked female DC cast can be popular if written well.

 

[Your Starter for 10]

This is going to be Gunn's last movie, at least for DC, I hope.

Clayface is already in post or in the can.

Now maybe they re-cut it to tie it in to Reeves' Batman stuff, or they just let it stand alone, but as of right now it has Gunn and Safran slop slathered all over it. And despite being listed as a producer, I doubt Reeves would want it as any part of his stuff.

They could just drop the Gunn shit wholesale and build off of The Batman/Penguin without making a big announcement or anything. That seems like the sensible thing to do, since making these huge 7 movie announcements clearly doesn't do shit to build hype. A large audience now holds on to their money until they know something is not shit (barring kids and meme movies).

So I suspect they'll just announce that the Gunn-verse is exceeding all their expectations and that he's making 13 more shows and another slate of 7 movies.

 

[Basic Blond Boy]

This is going to be Gunn's last movie, at least for DC, I hope.

We still got Man of Tomorrow as his likely last, along with the in-between content like Clayface and Lanterns.

However, I didn’t like some choices she made such as making Diana’s Wonder Woman, a Teenager, instead of using Donna.

This was WB's choice, Lauren's initial shorts for Super Best Friends used Donna. When WB pursued the brand further with Super Hero Girls, they switched it to Diana. Lauren left the project after the 2011 shorts, but came back for the 2019 rebrand, so I am assuming WB is the culprit for this as the DCSHG in-between Lauren's times working on it went with Diana

 

[Fartificial Insmelligence]

They could just drop the Gunn shit wholesale and build off of The Batman/Penguin without making a big announcement or anything.

I find it odd they make a big To-Do about announcing changes in direction, when businesses like Disney just quietly canned like 20 Star Wars movies they announced when they realized no one gives a shit about Rey and Osha…

 

[Problematic User Forever]

Is he just like fucking with people or serious at this point?

 

[From The Uncanny Valley]

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Is he just like fucking with people or serious at this point?

It better be an adaptation of that one comic where Superman makes Jimmy marry a gorilla

 

[Ultraman Orb Dark]

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Is he just like fucking with people or serious at this point?

It better be an adaptation of that one comic where Superman makes Jimmy marry a gorilla

I'll only watch it as long as it's about the two Making America Grodd Again.

 

[Basic Blond Boy]

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Is he just like fucking with people or serious at this point?

This is the same man that has a Deathstroke Bane movie in the works, I don’t think Gunn makes great decisions.

 

[Problematic User Forever]

All the firings and cancellations that Zaslav did and he decided to give this guy the keys to the kingdom?

 

[Basic Blond Boy]

All the firings and cancellations that Zaslav did and he decided to give this guy the keys to the kingdom?

Gunn seemed like a good choice prior to announcements. He had a strong track record with Marvel and got a positive reception for Suicide Squad.

Then he announced a shitload of projects that were all the exact opposite of what anyone was looking for. Superman being bad was just icing on the cake to show that he really wasn’t a good choice.

Should also be noted that Gunn was pretty much the only one willing to work with DC in Hollywood. He got fired from Marvel over his Tweets so was willing to play ball to save their failing universe.

 

[Mystery Spy]

Gunn seemed like a good choice prior to announcements. He had a strong track record with Marvel and got a positive reception for Suicide Squad.

Then he announced a shitload of projects that were all the exact opposite of what anyone was looking for. Superman being bad was just icing on the cake to show that he really wasn’t a good choice.

Should also be noted that Gunn was pretty much the only one willing to work with DC in Hollywood. He got fired from Marvel over his Tweets so was willing to play ball to save their failing universe.

Speaking of his tweets, he actually seemed to be very opiniated about the A listers, and major DC projects

I just don’t get why he is so adamant to work with C-list characters. Peacemaker, Grodd, and Jimmy Olson, the creature Commandos etc.

My theory was that he is trying to pull an Alan Moore. Get accolades for rebooting a C-lister with “good writing”. But now I am not sure.

 

[Fatsuit Shinji]

He is making this all too complicated.

Just make a strap on that has Kryptonite in it, hide it in Lois's drawer and when she pegs Supercuck it will kill him.

As already seen across thirty plus years of rule34, Kryptonians, male, female, futa and or other, don't suffer any ill effects from getting pegged with [insert color] Kryptonite schlongs aside from gaping orifices.

 

[Basic Blond Boy]

I just don’t get why he is so adamant to work with C-list characters. Peacemaker, Grodd, and Jimmy Olson, the creature Commandos etc.

My theory was that he is trying to pull an Alan Moore. Get accolades for rebooting a C-lister with “good writing”. But now I am not sure.

Gunn’s entire shtick is taking obscure characters then pretty much making whatever he feels like with them knowing he gets the safety of a larger brand, but with full creative freedom since who cares about the Guardians of The Galaxy besides comic nerds.

He is also a massive edge lord and clearly likes the asshole piece-of-shit characters more than the good natured ones. This is the best explanation for why he loves Guy Gardner (the asshole Lantern) the most, and why he tried to revolve his universe around the Suicide Squad and The Authority.

He was most definitely the wrong choice for this univers as beyond his snarky Gen X comedy bits, he really exudes the same pitfalls Snyder had in hating the values that make up DC as a brand.

WB really needs an outsider to take the reins of this mess as I don’t believe anyone in Hollywood can functionally form a DC Universe. For being extremely libshit, DC is surprisingly very conservative and traditionalist at its core, not to mention highly optimistic. It is antithetical to all of modern Hollywood’s values.

 

[Mystery Spy]

He was most definitely the wrong choice for this univers as beyond his snarky Gen X comedy bits, he really exudes the same pitfalls Snyder had in hating the values that make up DC as a brand.

WB really needs an outsider to take the reins of this mess as I don’t believe anyone in Hollywood can functionally form a DC Universe. For being extremely libshit, DC is surprisingly very conservative and traditionalist at its core, not to mention highly optimistic. It is antithetical to all of modern Hollywood’s values.

I once read one of Greg Weisman’s replies about whether he would be willing to work on a big movie production. While he can be very snarky with fans, I was surprised that his response showed such an inferiority complex. Like he thought making a movie was completely beyond him.

This baffled me. It seems WB, and even the animation writers themselves, genuinely think of themselves as lesser than the live-action movie crowd. In reality, they have consistently done a far better job than anyone in Hollywood with superheroes.

As critical as I have been of Greg, his best work is absolutely on par with, if not far above, Gunn and Snyder's.

If instead of chasing celebrity directors, WB had given the chance to the animation people, they would have crushed the MCU. It’s not even close. They have always had the best superhero writers in the industry; they just happened to work in the animation division.

 

[Fatsuit Shinji]

The real Pa Kent would have decided to find ways to use the powers without attracting attention. Also, he wouldn't traumatize his kid.

Or lock and leave their dog in the car.