DC Comics Multimedia General - A crisis of infinite fuck ups

[Polyboros2]

Season 3 and 4 of Young Justice cuts out almost all of it's gayness if you just ignore anything about Atlantis.

 

[strumpets exeunt]

Season 3 and 4 of Young Justice cuts out almost all of it's gayness if you just ignore anything about Atlantis.

That sounds very whelming.

 

[Foltest]

Saw Suicide squad 2021 and the first season of Peacemaker.
First and foremost, SS2021 is vastly superior to the the one from 2010s (even if I am curious to see what David Aryar tried to do) and was just good fun.
Peacemaker however, is great.
I never really cared about John Cena, but he was great in the role.
Good acting overall, good writing, directions etc etc.
I am not James Gunn biggest fan, but I will never deny that he is good at his job.

 

[Mystery Spy]

Gunn is good at his niche.

He is like Alan Moore in the sense that they know that if they give good or even decent writing to an obscure character, nobody is going to complain about the changes and in fact you might even be praised as a genius for it.

And it won't really matter if the old fans complain because they will be outnumbered.

Trouble is, he is supposed to be in charge of the big names now. And on that he has been under delivering so far. The big names should be in a good state before he plays with Frankenstein's bride or whatever.

 

[Samuel Fuller]

I feel like if you have to acknowledge the existence of other heroes, have them help out in a minor way without overshadowing the one the comic is about. It's not DC, but Jason Aaron did something like this during his run on Thor. In the God Butcher arc, Thor gets help from Iron Man to narrow down the location of a cave he had previously been to centuries ago during his search for Gorr.

I read one Superman story back in the late 70s/early 80s where he called Alfred to get something from the archives in the Batcave to compare with a sample he found in Luthor's lab.

 

[XYZpdq Jr.]

TDS i

as much as TDS ruins everything, to be fair there's been a chunk of Trump in Luthor since Byrne

 

[Beelzebub's Lawyer]

Peacemaker however, is great.
I never really cared about John Cena, but he was great in the role.
Good acting overall, good writing, directions etc etc.

If you like season 1, don't watch season 2.

 

[clickbait]

If you like season 1, don't watch season 2.

Season 2 is more confident than season 1. It needed the restraints season 1 had.

 

[Beelzebub's Lawyer]

Season 2 is more confident than season 1. It needed the restraints season 1 had.

I just hated the premise.
It's the multiverse... and it's just America but Nazis won WWII.
That's been done to death, it's horribly uncreative.
You can do anything you want with a multiverse and you go with that bullshit. It's not even well done.
I've mentioned before how uncreative Gunn was with the worldbuilding of Superman 2025 and this is just another example of that.
He can write a story about a small group of people but he can't build a world, he sucks at it.

 

[Ultraman Orb Dark]

It's the multiverse... and it's just America but Nazis won WWII.
That's been done to death, it's horribly uncreative.

Not even the first time DC did it in live-action too.

 

[Thorpy Kamen]

He also made Lagoon boy, the aquatic monster guy that dated Miss Martian, a cuck, as part of a threesome. Remember Aqualad, the character that spent a whole seasons simping for Aquagirl? The same guy everyone tought became evil because he was grieving for her? You know a woman? He pulled a Rowling with him too and made him gay out of nowhere.

The TDS is so blatant someone even made a compilation:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=-ECuxUMuJWY


I feel you. Greg is a talented guy, but a lot of his worst impulses were put in check when he was forced to abide to network rules and he had executives wrangling him.

Young Justice on its streaming seasons is him working with full creative control , and he delivered a woke as hell show.

Now to be clear I am not complaining that gay characters exist. But there’s a huge difference between that, and pushing woke politics, and ruin the tone of his show just to complain about Trump.

God, the same thing happened in The Boys with its finale and later seasons, where Homelander became a projection of a bald writer's interpretation of Donald Trump according to the "Woke" (a derogatory term for a certain type of comic book fan). And yet, these kinds of narrative tantrums partially kill the art that comic book fans so passionately admire.

So, with a universe partly created by James Gunn and ironically based on the defunct "Snyderverse," it's a load of crap! They started defending the 2025 Superman movie from any criticism with their war against the Snyder fans, even though the film shows a rather weak version of Superman and tries to do something like Guardians of the Galaxy with the Justice Gang, who do receive a bit more focus in the Superman movie. I feel like it's suffering from almost the same flaw as the "Snyderverse."

Even still, I feel he should be able to tell the difference between his old characters and the woke ones. As for YJ, the show fell off in a lot of ways. Overabundance of cast is one of them.


Yeah, I don't mind the queers, just write them well. It feels like every year he forgets how to write good characters first and foremost. Now it is "wokewokewoke" and no humanity.

And ironically, they fuel the bias of some true and honest Nazis who openly despise minorities.

I mean, let's see how a continuity suddenly starts pulling something out of thin air, like, I don't know, the most seen, written, developed, and characterized character with very marked heterosexual tendencies suddenly becoming gay without any explanation, and that their development is based solely on their gay relationship with their nemesis.

And if, in the case of comics, these kinds of empty queer characters are created... I mean, the gay cops in Gravity Falls are better than Iron Heart in both the comics and the MCU, it's not that canon is a valid reason; you're just using the simplistic logic of the anti-minority metalhead to try to make a fool of someone who actually has arguments.

Season 3 and 4 of Young Justice cuts out almost all of it's gayness if you just ignore anything about Atlantis.

This makes me reconsider my doubts: were the series really so good because of the writer? Or because the executives brought them down to earth? What would happen to all that "creative freedom"? Remember that this series was before the "Woke" phenomenon, so there wasn't so much traumatization surrounding Trump. I mean, Avatar: The Last Airbender was excellent despite its creators, and technically, The Legend of Korra was more their own, as was the Netflix live-action version, because it has the stupid philosophy of "we want to do everything differently."

Saw Suicide squad 2021 and the first season of Peacemaker.
First and foremost, SS2021 is vastly superior to the the one from 2010s (even if I am curious to see what David Aryar tried to do) and was just good fun.
Peacemaker however, is great.
I never really cared about John Cena, but he was great in the role.
Good acting overall, good writing, directions etc etc.
I am not James Gunn biggest fan, but I will never deny that he is good at his job.

Peacemaker, so a Snyderverse series being used as the basis for the New Universe seems really bizarre to me. I mean, we could say the first season is semi-canonical while the second would be "the real series." It also doesn't help that James Gunn is announcing random projects and throwing out information just to "sell smoke."

 

[Incecticyder]

I mean, let's see how a continuity suddenly starts pulling something out of thin air, like, I don't know, the most seen, written, developed, and characterized character with very marked heterosexual tendencies suddenly becoming gay without any explanation, and that their development is based solely on their gay relationship with their nemesis.

I remember that the closest Greg had gone to do that was with two characters that made sense: Lexington and Irma. Both characters didn't have the chance to explore themselves due to being young. Nowadays, characters with a well established sexual orientation are changed for diversity quotas. If you liked, shipped and were invested in a couple being together, this tendency was infuriating. Tim and Steph had one of the most serious relationships in comics and yet they made Tim be into men. Maxima's entire character was her desire for a male with strong genes but they made her a lesbian.

And if, in the case of comics, these kinds of empty queer characters are created... I mean, the gay cops in Gravity Falls are better than Iron Heart in both the comics and the MCU, it's not that canon is a valid reason; you're just using the simplistic logic of the anti-minority metalhead to try to make a fool of someone who actually has arguments.

Well, the cops were gay from the start. We didn't see them go through an arc where they both married women only to divorce them and be together.

 

[Mystery Spy]

I remember that the closest Greg had gone to do that was with two characters that made sense: Lexington and Irma.

Irma is an odd case. Greg claims she was obviously a lesbian and even wrote her like that. That she was pretending to be heterosexual in an exaggerated way to deal with being a lesbian.

But there is a problem with that. He didn't create her. He didn't even create the tv adaptation. She is from those W.I..T.C..H comics and she was never portrayed as a lesbian in the original run. In fact she even had a boyfriend and like many teenage girls she was obsessed with boys. Irma being a lesbian is Greg's headcanon that he made canon in his version of the show.

To me that makes me suspect of his intentions.

 

[Incecticyder]

Irma is an odd case. Greg claims she was obviously a lesbian and even wrote her like that. That she was pretending to be heterosexual in an exaggerated way to deal with being a lesbian.

But there is a problem with that. He didn't create her. He didn't even create the tv adaptation. She is from those W.I..T.C..H comics and she was never portrayed as a lesbian in the original run. In fact she even had a boyfriend and like many teenage girls she was obsessed with boys. Irma being a lesbian is Greg's headcanon that he made canon in his version of the show.

To me that makes me suspect of his intentions.

True but I consider the show and the comics to be each their own continuity with different characters and events.

In other words, I do not see the Irma of the show and the Irma of the comics to be the same. Every character is so different in the show.

 

[Thorpy Kamen]

True but I consider the show and the comics to be each their own continuity with different characters and events.

In other words, I do not see the Irma of the show and the Irma of the comics to be the same. Every character is so different in the show.

You know, those who appreciate manga and anime more could say that online there isn't as much conflict over "serious differences." I mean, we can't say things like Dragon Ball or JoJo's Bizarre Adventure are bad because "they're not faithful to the comic and do whatever they want," because ironically, they're more faithful within the animation format.

And ironically, Amazon's The Boys series was considered more profound than the comic until season 4 onward, where it became "I hate Trump and Homelander is Trump," culminating in season 5 with "This is what Trump will look like without his power." So, is creative freedom really a good thing? Because many manga adaptations are accepted because they respect the author's "vision," because the Cell saga was "excellent" because people told Akira Toriyama, "Hey, this villain is really bad, change him," because Goku's evolution into a man-child who only likes to fight is almost 100% Akira Toriyama.

Irma is an odd case. Greg claims she was obviously a lesbian and even wrote her like that. That she was pretending to be heterosexual in an exaggerated way to deal with being a lesbian.

But there is a problem with that. He didn't create her. He didn't even create the tv adaptation. She is from those W.I..T.C..H comics and she was never portrayed as a lesbian in the original run. In fact she even had a boyfriend and like many teenage girls she was obsessed with boys. Irma being a lesbian is Greg's headcanon that he made canon in his version of the show.

To me that makes me suspect of his intentions.

Because people are obsessed with "the truth" about something, I mean, I partly understand that the adaptation and the original could have their own continuity, but dud.
Dud, the fact that Irma was a lesbian is something the writer said externally, which doesn't sit well with fans. I mean, having to go to social media to find out about a series that ended in 2006 to find out if she was a lesbian? That's not shown in the series. So, just because they didn't adapt that "Looking for a Boyfriend" thing means she was always a lesbian? It's absurd. It's like saying a character "died off-screen" because a writer said so, since the character doesn't reappear, but the series doesn't tell you that she died or that she never really mattered.
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I remember that the closest Greg had gone to do that was with two characters that made sense: Lexington and Irma. Both characters didn't have the chance to explore themselves due to being young. Nowadays, characters with a well established sexual orientation are changed for diversity quotas. If you liked, shipped and were invested in a couple being together, this tendency was infuriating. Tim and Steph had one of the most serious relationships in comics and yet they made Tim be into men. Maxima's entire character was her desire for a male with strong genes but they made her a lesbian.


Well, the cops were gay from the start. We didn't see them go through an arc where they both married women only to divorce them and be together.

Look at the gay police officers in Gravity Falls. I'll grant you that they're just minor characters with "little development." In short, they don't generate much controversy and are generally likable, which is incredible because it's rare to see queer characters, who usually get the plotline of suffering because of being queer.

But the difference is that heterosexual characters are being brought back into the Queer universe just because. Out of nowhere, half the Marvel universe is technically bisexual for some reason. Why would Chameleon from the X-Men be "non-binary" if he was a typical male character for a significant part of his existence? It's also like saying "Dumbledore is gay" outside of the Harry Potter story, even after Dumbledore was dead. At least in the Fantastic Beasts movies, there was some tension between Albus and Gellert Grindelwald to at least justify it, which would be more of the same with Jonathan Kent, Superman's son, who is gay and whose adventures consisted of dating a pink-haired hacker and engaging in the most blatant and pure political activism because "Superman was always like that."

 

[Incecticyder]

You know, those who appreciate manga and anime more could say that online there isn't as much conflict over "serious differences." I mean, we can't say things like Dragon Ball or JoJo's Bizarre Adventure are bad because "they're not faithful to the comic and do whatever they want," because ironically, they're more faithful within the animation format.

I think that adaptations should remain faithful to the spirit of the work and the medium it is adapted to. DB was always about self-improvement. Goku started out as strong and we spend a couple of arcs establishing that but he was in need to improve. The need to be better was always there. If an adaptation was to turn Goku into someone who was always great and the universe just needed to realize it without him becoming better, then the spirit of the work would be lost.

At the same time, changes need to be made when adapting the story to another medium. I consider Re:Monster a bit of a guilty pleasure (and it was the progenitor of the Isekai into a non-human subgenre). The anime is a very faithful adaptation to the work. It sucks. For those who do not know, the Re:Monster LN is written in the form of a diary with clearly marked dates. The issue? The day transitions. Once a day is over, the anime interrupts itself by use of a black screen and the announcement of the date change. That kind of transition is horrible. It ruins the pacing and breaks immersion. I couldn't stand it! My solution? Extend every day with filler and have the transition be easier. Even the first major army battle scene, which had been given an extended version in the gaiden, was less than half an episode as they used the original work rather than the improved cut. Horrible! I stopped watching.

All in all, you have to know what you are doing. A shot-for-shot remake will not please.

And ironically, Amazon's The Boys series was considered more profound than the comic until season 4 onward, where it became "I hate Trump and Homelander is Trump," culminating in season 5 with "This is what Trump will look like without his power." So, is creative freedom really a good thing? Because many manga adaptations are accepted because they respect the author's "vision," because the Cell saga was "excellent" because people told Akira Toriyama, "Hey, this villain is really bad, change him," because Goku's evolution into a man-child who only likes to fight is almost 100% Akira Toriyama.

Even great writers need a good editor. Once they buy into their own hype, it is over. Toriyama had GREAT editors throughout his career. After, he just did what he wanted without much thought as he made his money. That doesn't change the fact that he is a great writer. But he did need someone to tell him that Goku worked better as a goofy hero rather than a battle hungry idiot. He had grown out of the man-child era when he realized that Gohan was not his clone and thus did not like to fight (unless he was much stronger and he hated his opponent, at which point, he becomes sadistic). Respecting the author's vision should come with the acknowledgement that the author is a flawed human. It is what I like about the TYBW Bleach Anime. They are actively making improvements on the source material by working hard to find out what works and what doesn't.

Look at the gay police officers in Gravity Falls. I'll grant you that they're just minor characters with "little development." In short, they don't generate much controversy and are generally likable, which is incredible because it's rare to see queer characters, who usually get the plotline of suffering because of being queer.

But the difference is that heterosexual characters are being brought back into the Queer universe just because. Out of nowhere, half the Marvel universe is technically bisexual for some reason. Why would Chameleon from the X-Men be "non-binary" if he was a typical male character for a significant part of his existence? It's also like saying "Dumbledore is gay" outside of the Harry Potter story, even after Dumbledore was dead. At least in the Fantastic Beasts movies, there was some tension between Albus and Gellert Grindelwald to at least justify it, which would be more of the same with Jonathan Kent, Superman's son, who is gay and whose adventures consisted of dating a pink-haired hacker and engaging in the most blatant and pure political activism because "Superman was always like that."

Yeah, that is dumb. They just change characters to appeal to Tumblr.

 

[XYZpdq Jr.]

It's also like saying "Dumbledore is gay" outside of the Harry Potter story

iirc Gay Dumbledore actually first came up during the second or third movie's production when the first story came out of Rowling using her veto power on the script to nix a line from him about an ex-gf
what he did with his wand in his off-hours wasn't really relevant to the on-screen stuff but it also wasn't really on-screen or in the book, it was an outside detail howevermuch people blew the fuck up about it when she brought it up after the books were done
but I def recall a lot of "ohhhhhh, so he's a 'confirmed bachelor' got it" jokes when the veto story came out

 

[Trollblade69]

iirc Gay Dumbledore actually first came up during the second or third movie's production when the first story came out of Rowling using her veto power on the script to nix a line from him about an ex-gf
what he did with his wand in his off-hours wasn't really relevant to the on-screen stuff but it also wasn't really on-screen or in the book, it was an outside detail howevermuch people blew the fuck up about it when she brought it up after the books were done
but I def recall a lot of "ohhhhhh, so he's a 'confirmed bachelor' got it" jokes when the veto story came out

I honestly wonder what was going through Rowling's head when she decided her favourite character and vanguard of normality should be gay.

 

[strumpets exeunt]

I honestly wonder what was going through Rowling's head when she decided her favourite character and vanguard of normality should be gay.

If I had to guess, it would be “My political party is the bestest political party and they will love me 5ever and never, ever, EVER argue that men in dresses should be beating the shit out of women in a boxing ring, nuh uh.”

 

[Pedophobe]

I honestly wonder what was going through Rowling's head when she decided her favourite character and vanguard of normality should be gay.

She just thought about how he spent the entire series clandestinely grooming Harry to be sacrificed to advance his agenda and it seemed obvious.