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[Newcomer 42]

Disney quietly cut everything related to Rei Palpatine once they realized no one wants her. Why not do the same with Pedogunn once Supergril fails?

 

[Basic Blond Boy]

Disney quietly cut everything related to Rei Palpatine once they realized no one wants her. Why not do the same with Pedogunn once Supergril fails?

They likely will and technically already are, a few projects are just too far along to uniquely cancel. Clayface and Lanterns are already done and releasing this year. Man of Tomorrow is positioned to be Gunn's last project, a probable test to see if continuing is still worth it.

The other projects that haven't been cancelled yet are lacking many details and can be trashed without saying much. The docket currently is Zatanna/Constantine, Bane/DeathStroke, Teen Titans, Creature Commandos Season 2, Constantine Reboot with Keanu Reeves, Batman Brave & The Bold, Mister Miracle & Barda (Tom King edition), Wonder Woman and Dynamic Dou.

I kind of hope Dynamic Dou makes it as the stop-motion puppetry is super cool, but the rest are not it.

 

[BubbaRobot887]

Say what you will about Snyder(and I have)but watching his cut of Justice League there is a passion in it that has just been missing from DC and Marvel characters lately.

You can still argue it is a bad film with too much slow motion but if is then it is one made by someone who was trying to make something he felt was good and not just a generic corporate product, and that does make it stand out these days.

You may disagree but I would rather have a bad movie someone cared about than a good one that was just made as product and nothing more.

For instance if say Superman had been made by a director who cared and not Gunn just following a checklist handed to him by corporate it may have been a worse movie, but I feel like I would like it better.

I guess this is why I enjoy Ed Wood films, they are aweful but at least he was trying to make something he cared about.

 

[Birthday Cat]

They likely will and technically already are, a few projects are just too far along to uniquely cancel. Clayface and Lanterns are already done and releasing this year. Man of Tomorrow is positioned to be Gunn's last project, a probable test to see if continuing is still worth it.

The other projects that haven't been cancelled yet are lacking many details and can be trashed without saying much. The docket currently is Zatanna/Constantine, Bane/DeathStroke, Teen Titans, Creature Commandos Season 2, Constantine Reboot with Keanu Reeves, Batman Brave & The Bold, Mister Miracle & Barda (Tom King edition), Wonder Woman and Dynamic Dou.

I kind of hope Dynamic Dou makes it as the stop-motion puppetry is super cool, but the rest are not it.

people here have already talked about it, but the choices and order are so retarded. teen titans, though i don't trust anyone to do it, should have been far sooner than most of this bullshit, has enough content for quite a bit of shit and character arcs/relationship drama, has pre built fans from the cartoons and characters and tons of room to introduce them for a cinematic universe (though the last la show, ttgo, and general character handling fucked it's popularity). tk supergirl is one thing since it's a legacy character, modern script, his run was kind of well received or at least publicized, but going through specifically tk's lineup is suicidal. his runs are at best "controversial" or considered dog shit besides the art.

deathstroke could pretty easily get a solo/focus project in relation to tt, but terra would need to be completely redone or you'd have to make him much more of a scummy character than just explicitly "cool old villain". it'd be nice to have a version of him that doesn't get one shot by kids or batman though, especially since he's supposed to be a legendary superhuman merc thing etc. their last show was canned, but it's pretty ludicrous they'd copy tom king instead of someone like alan moore, specifically his swamp thing run, but i don't think it has enough real popularity and interest to be a thing. st's a pretty cool character though, animation with very trippy animation should have been used though i don't think anybody can really pull the events off otherwise without extreme camp. everything's just overall getting the whole library, in comparison to the mcu avengers system where all the characters had a long lasting reputation and following besides maybe black widow

batman is really really overdone and there's already your listed projects, but it's fucking sad because there's a lot of unique content past the origin stories that'd make for great projects. dkr, a older jaded, brutal batman and all the later character dynamics (though i don't trust it to not become a irl political shoehorn trainwreck), or a proper killing joke without all the batgirl/batman shit.

Say what you will about Snyder(and I have)but watching his cut of Justice League there is a passion in it that has just been missing from DC and Marvel characters lately.

You can still argue it is a bad film with too much slow motion but it is then it is one made by someone who was trying to make something he felt was good and not just a generic corporate product, and that does make it stand out these days.

You may disagree but I would rather have a bad movie someone cared about than a good one that was just made as product and nohing more.

For instance if say Superman had been made by a director who cared and npt Gunn just follo we ing a checklist handed to him by corporate it may have been a worse movie, but I feel like I would like it better.

one thing snyder did in particular was make a valiant effort to redeem leto's joker/his acting in the ""knightmare"" or whatever tf desert sequence, like it or not you can see what he/they were going for. and by extension helped push a unique interpretation of a character, for better or worse. like joaquin phoenix in joker 1, when you have rapid films with the same characters, different interpretations or versions go a long way. joker in particular has a fuck ton they could use, with a higher rating the faceless full serial killer joker. Brian Azzarello's joker though that'd probably be close enough to nolan's. harley quinn's another, where before creators forgot, had several interpretations of being fucked in the head and a villain beyond the line of dindunuffin and killing kids with bombs etc.

instead every character is the same and just gets an origin story over and over and over and are typically shitty derivatives. stuff like maguires spider man 1 are more definitive, but especially after something like that gets really mainstream, it feels so fucking awful to have the same shit but almost exclusively worse. using spiderman, garfield/holland beyond anything else never ever got close to the emotional impact ben/may scenes. cliff robertson was dream casting and their lines and chemistry were about as good as you could get.

 

[BubbaRobot887]

Cliff Robberson was really great and Rosemary Harris is so much better than the stupid "Your aunt is hot" jokes we get over and over again in Holland's Spider-Man.

You can't top those two so don't try.

 

[Basic Blond Boy]

people here have already talked about it, but the choices and order are so retarded. teen titans, though i don't trust anyone to do it, should have been far sooner than most of this bullshit, has enough content for quite a bit of shit and character arcs/relationship drama, has pre built fans from the cartoons and characters and tons of room to introduce them for a cinematic universe (though the last la show, ttgo, and general character handling fucked it's popularity). tk supergirl is one thing since it's a legacy character, modern script, his run was kind of well received or at least publicized, but going through specifically tk's lineup is suicidal. his runs are at best "controversial" or considered dog shit besides the art.

Said it before in thread, but setting up DC should be extremely simple. Play into the parent-child and Legacy stories of DC and use the first few films to set up Justice League and Teen Titans simultaneously. I will give Gunn this, I don't think starting with characters already established is a bad idea, I would actually say it would be my own choice, I just wish they didn't feel like Rookies even though they have been going for years.

Having a Superman film franchise begin with Clark already a few years in, now having to deal with Kara would be a good change of pace and allow both characters to have more extensive arcs spanning the presumably 3-4 phases. Other heroes should follow with Batman having Dick and Babs around, Wonder Woman having Donna, Flash having Wally, and Green Lantern having John. Would also throw in films for Green Arrow and Aquaman so we get Roy and Garth. Characters can then kind of take off into a million directions. John can be the JL Green Lantern so you get your black character (and do the DCAU lineup) while Hal remains in space, the sidekicks besides Barbara and Kara join together for Teen Titans, and maybe do a World's Finest to give Supergirl and Batgirl their own thing.

Later films can expand out on the families adding new members per phase. Phase 2 can bring in Jason Todd for instance, then phase 3 can be Young Justice's debuts with Tim, Conner, and Cassie. Phase 2 should also form the Teen Titans people know with Raven, Starfire, Beast Boy and Cyborg. One could probably bring in the Titans easily through auxiliary brands, like Raven appears in Justice League Dark and Beast Boy/Cyborg appear around Doom Patrol. And like above, characters can maneuver to get you that main 5 TT lineup, maybe Donna joins Kara/Babs, Wally gets promoted to the League after Barry dies, Roy is too busy getting fucked up on heroin, and Garth gets left in Atlantis.

deathstroke could pretty easily get a solo/focus project in relation to tt, but terra would need to be completely redone or you'd have to make him much more of a scummy character than just explicitly "cool old villain".

Just do the 03 version. It keeps the pedo-vibes, but isn't explicit enough as to completely tank Deathstroke with modern audiences.

 

[Mystery Spy]

Say what you will about Snyder(and I have)but watching his cut of Justice League there is a passion in it that has just been missing from DC and Marvel characters lately.

You can still argue it is a bad film with too much slow motion but if is then it is one made by someone who was trying to make something he felt was good and not just a generic corporate product, and that does make it stand out these days.

You may disagree but I would rather have a bad movie someone cared about than a good one that was just made as product and nothing more.

For instance if say Superman had been made by a director who cared and not Gunn just following a checklist handed to him by corporate it may have been a worse movie, but I feel like I would like it better.

I guess this is why I enjoy Ed Wood films, they are aweful but at least he was trying to make something he cared about.

My only major complaint with Snyder is that he really didn’t believe in the hope and idealism the DC characters represent, and he felt he was too mature and above them , so he tried to make the DC universe basically a “Watchemen” knockoff in tone.

His idea of making a more mature DC universe isn’t actually bad. But that’s not why he failed in my opinion. It was his refusal to keep the soul of the original characters. As much as I love Cavill, his Superman just was’t the lovable boy scout I know and love. Instead he was a poorly made Christ metaphor.

Still even I can admit his talent in cinematography is legendary. Batman V Superman had some beautiful shots that put even the most expensive Marvel CGI slop to shame. They are gorgeous to look at.

A movie with his visuals, but written by someone that actually likes the DC characters would be a dream combination. He would have been amazing at everything except writing and world building, which unfortunately he was in charge of.

 

[Newcomer 42]

The thing is that modern DC comics suck and are as bad as the movies/works today, if not worse, so the writers don't have much to work with.

 

[Thorpy Kamen]

My only major complaint with Snyder is that he really didn’t believe in the hope and idealism the DC characters represent, and he felt a too mature and above them , so he tried to make the DC universe basically a “Watchemen” knockoff in tone.

His idea of making a more mature DC universe isn’t actually bad. But that’s not why he failed in my opinion. It was his refusal to keep the soul of the original characters. As much as I love Cavill, his Superman just was’t the lovable big scout I know and love. Instead he was a poorly made Christ metaphor.

Still even I can admit his talent in cinematography is legendary. Batman V Superman had some beautiful shots that put even the most expensive Marvel CGI slop to shame. They are gorgeous to look at.

A movie with his visuals, but written by someone that actually likes the DC characters would be a dream combination. He would have been amazing at everything except writing and world building, which unfortunately he was in charge of.

That's why I think there are still people who believe there's something good in this? I mean, maybe that blatant Jesus Christ analogy could be a form of "hope." Yeah, it's dark as hell and constantly abuses slow motion.

Partly, Gunn's fans appreciate his work more simply because they despise the "Snyderverse." Man of Steel wasn't really that "bad," but DC's need to create a cinematic universe in less than three movies ruins all of that.

The thing is that modern DC comics suck and are as bad as the movies/works today, if not worse, so the writers don't have much to work with.

That's why I'm telling you that a large part of it is due to writers promoting their "do-gooder" ideologies as if it were part of "hope."

In other words, I'm telling you that we can treat minorities well without having BLM or the LGBTQ++ community breathing down our necks or lecturing us.

Say what you will about Snyder(and I have)but watching his cut of Justice League there is a passion in it that has just been missing from DC and Marvel characters lately.

You can still argue it is a bad film with too much slow motion but if is then it is one made by someone who was trying to make something he felt was good and not just a generic corporate product, and that does make it stand out these days.

You may disagree but I would rather have a bad movie someone cared about than a good one that was just made as product and nothing more.

For instance if say Superman had been made by a director who cared and not Gunn just following a checklist handed to him by corporate it may have been a worse movie, but I feel like I would like it better.

I guess this is why I enjoy Ed Wood films, they are aweful but at least he was trying to make something he cared about.

God is too positive, but you have a point. I mean, as much as I make fun of him for being so intellectual, I have to admit that he's not that corporate. You can understand that he wanted to tell an interesting and long story with meaning, which could be a question of "hey, in this dark world they don't let Superman be good, but he's still good." Very stupid, but I understand what they're saying.

Disney quietly cut everything related to Rei Palpatine once they realized no one wants her. Why not do the same with Pedogunn once Supergril fails?

If I had to take away a moral from what happened with Ray Palpatine, it would be: don't announce things stupidly because you won't know if your crappy trilogy will support 20 more movies.

Well, I understand that you don't like what DC is doing. I mean, Clayface? Before Batman? In a cinematic universe, I would put movies of the main superheroes (Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Flash, Aquaman) before movies of the sidekicks, although I could be generous and use the secondary characters of those superheroes a little (Jimmy, Clara, Lois Lane, Alfred, Gordon, Steve, etc.). Villain movies could be a complement, yes. But Clayface before Batman? God, Gunn.

 

[Humble Architect]

They literally should’ve just done Rebirth and done the “secret Superman” plotline where it’s broad strokes enough that you can insert Rebirth Clark, Lois and Jon into any universe.

No big point about a reboot, keep the Latin Supergirl for some spice with all the sweetness of Rebirth and set her up to become Power Girl, keep Cavill cause he would’ve been the perfect age, get the new chick as Lois cause she’s hot and Amy Adams is decrepit and just start with Superdad.

Superman and Lois had wrapped up so no worries and you avoid retreading “early years Superman” while raping Marvel by fighting their “superhero family” with a family that isn’t made up of a plastic surgery whore, a gay spic, a forgettable Thing and a defanged Johnny.

And if you can’t lock-in Cavill long-term, get the mutt to be the world’s native Superman, nigga is New52 Supes as-is.

 

[Ultraman Orb Dark]

I would put movies of the main superheroes (Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Flash, Aquaman) before movies of the sidekicks

My personal theory is that the higher-ups are worried about making movies for heroes who already had movies, like Wonder Woman.

But there are still plenty of big-name heroes to put on the big screen, like Firestorm, Martian Manhunter, and Zatanna.

 

[Incecticyder]

My personal theory is that the higher-ups are worried about making movies for heroes who already had movies, like Wonder Woman.

But there are still plenty of big-name heroes to put on the big screen, like Firestorm, Martian Manhunter, and Zatanna.

It isn't like they could begin their Cinematic Universe with lesser known characters. Marvel began the MCU with a C-lister...

Yeah, Iron Man was geek level knowledge as opposed to now when he is a household name. They totally could have started with a lesser known member of JL and worked from there.

Or they could have started with JL Dark. It is a more dysfunctional version of JL and thus it would fit Gunn more. You know, have Gunn handle that stuff and leave the normal stuff to the normal directors with only some supervision to ensure no continuity errors.

 

[Your Starter for 10]

Identity Crisis should've been the scene for scene starting point and I won't be dissuaded.

 

[Battlefield2142EU]

Is he just like fucking with people or serious at this point?

James Gunn Wonder Woman depends on supergirl performance. Doing supergirl before Wonder Woman is like doing Electra before Daredevil.

 

[BubbaRobot887]

Bankrupt studio Warner Brothers must have already spent a billion dollars on James Gunn's DC projects and have gotten nothing in return yet they keep writing him blank checks.

What does he have on the executives at Warner Brothers?

 

[Thorpy Kamen]

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James Gunn Wonder Woman depends on supergirl performance. Doing supergirl before Wonder Woman is like doing Electra before Daredevil.

Bankrupt studio Warner Brothers must have already spent a billion dollars on James Gunn's DC projects and have gotten nothing in return yet they keep writing him blank checks.

What does he have on the executives at Warner Brothers?

Oh god, this is so messed up. Seriously, is it worth it for movies to be "experimental" or to give us "hope," or whatever they say to dismiss the edgy guy on the internet? I mean, lots of sloppy comments about it being "super shit" or "super woke" and all that, but seriously, is it worth spending so many millions on an internet argument about the DC cinematic universe? James Gunn needs to get his feet back on the ground because I don't think they'll let him spend all that money on something even remotely "personal." Even though Superman 2025 was a success, it still carries the burden of having spent too much money, and in practice, it ends up being a "failure."

Regarding Gunn's "absolute control," possibly the Epstein files.

 

[Mystery Spy]

My personal theory is that the higher-ups are worried about making movies for heroes who already had movies, like Wonder Woman.

But there are still plenty of big-name heroes to put on the big screen, like Firestorm, Martian Manhunter, and Zatanna.

It isn't like they could begin their Cinematic Universe with lesser known characters. Marvel began the MCU with a C-lister...

While I personally think it's unnecessary, letting the A listers to rest for a bit to give the public to move on from the Snyder verse isn't a complete loss. DC has a very strong B/C list tier characters.

Like you guys have said, Martian manhunter, the magic characters like Zatanna and Constantine etc. I would also ass the JSA and the Legion of superheroes.

The problem is that Gunn really is reaching at the very bottom of the barrel. Z list (creature Comandos, Gorilla Grodd, his suicide Squad without counting Harley, Peacemaker, etc)and even public domain characters (Frankenstein's bride)/ the Hippolyta mural cameo etc).

We all know good writing can elevate even a Z list character. That's also how Alan Moore managed to get a lot of his reputation.But he was hired to rescue the DC's main catalogue not to do necromancy with the characters nobody likes.

Gunn is missing the assignment completely. Lead DC not "rescuing" bad characters.

 

[Incecticyder]

While I personally think it's unnecessary, letting the A listers to rest for a bit to give the public to move on from the Snyder verse isn't a complete loss. DC has a very strong B/C list tier characters.

Like you guys have said, Martian manhunter, the magic characters like Zatanna and Constantine etc. I would also ass the JSA and the Legion of superheroes.

As I said before, Captain Atom would be an ideal choice. Strong, somewhat obscure outside DCAU and some movies and a troubled/kind enough to appeal to most people.

The problem is that Gunn really is reaching at the very bottom of the barrel. Z list (creature Comandos, Gorilla Grodd, his suicide Squad without counting Harley etc)and even public domain characters (Frankenstein's bride)/ the Hippolyta mural cameo etc).

Creature Commandos was a failure in execution rather than premise. Most were unlikeable assholes who thought that swearing a lot was cool. The MCU could have been watched by both adults and kids. This isn't the kind of story you show a kid. This is the type of story that guy who thinks that cool begins with saying fuck and shit and ends with shooting people.

It could have worked if it wasn't made by/for a man with the mentality of a middle schooler who just discovered cusswords.

 

[Mystery Spy]

It could have worked if it wasn't made by/for a man with the mentality of a middle schooler who just discovered cusswords

In this case my criticism isn't on the premise, but on choice of characters. Practically everything can work if you write it well.

But I question Gunn wasting precious time and resources on this. It's not that it can't be done well, it can, but rather that is massive detour from his priority that should be people falling in love with the main DC universe and it's characters.

Kids are born everyday that still need introducing to the DC universe, and also work on making new and old people love and be fans of characters like, indeed, Captain Atom. The Z list might have potential, but they are just a terrible choice to jumpstart a universe you are supposed to steward.

 

[Humble Architect]

Oh you know libshit Gunn would just make Captain Atom the Flagg guy who Peacemaker killed in his gay Suicide Squad movie.

And he’d be made by Waller and he’d still lead the Suicide Squad despite his powers being “Doctor Manhattan but not a jewish scientist and therefore not at what he could be.”

Or he’d be on the Authority, cause ain’t no way is something as based as Armageddon ever going to happen again and you must humiliate the veteran widower, right-leaning guy who is extremely masculine.