Chernobyl Miniseries (2019)

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Oh ffs It's a show set in the Soviet Union. Why would you expect the people there to be diverse (and yes I'm aware of the Soviet Union's Central Asian component). That would be like these people complaining that the Godfather part I wasn't diverse enough...It's the fucking mafia. They're not supposed to be diverse.

Outside of Moscow, a lot of towns were closed to foreigners due to strategic importance, which could be anything, from ship building to military bases. No foreigners were allowed, which means no tourists or non-Soviets which meant no mixed kids. A lot of people who lived in those cities never seen non-white IRL. Shit, actually most Georgians and Armenians are called "blacks" while they are not even as dark as some Italians (more native ones) Soviet color scale was off.


Adding comments today since I just watched the 5th episode.

The mess following the incident and the cleanup was far greater but less dramatic. It is worth mentioning though. Yes, Soviet Union was cheap, that includes the treatment to the people who suffered as the result, to people who were conscripted and bated into it. A lot more, many more died because there were shortages of medicine, treatments and recognition that deseases befalling those affected were result of exposure.

There were many more lies, lies about how fucking safe it was and contained, lies about the number of people affected. You can't have sad in Soviet paradise. There were orders to exclude radiation exposure from diagnoses. A lot of livestock in nearby areas were slaughtered and ... did not go to waste. That's probably another 10 episodes of less drama that no one would care to watch.
 
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Russia has filmed its own version in Belarus and has made it more patriotic. They're going with the CIA did it.

I really loved the series, in fact I was annoyed it was so short as there was so much left out from the whole event. I suppose dragging it out too much might have turned into some sort of torture porn but there was so much more from what I understand.

Marzin seemed to rely very heavily on Voices from Chernobyl and my concern there is that it is all anecdotal and told many years after the event (published in 2015).

I've read several books on the subject, the ghoul that I am and I've seen the Bridge of Death story debunked several times but as it appeared in Voices of Chernobyl it is now considered gospel.

I never thought I'd ever see Dyatlov become a meme. Ever. That bit I find crazy and hilarious.
 
Russia has filmed its own version in Belarus and has made it more patriotic. They're going with the CIA did it.

I really loved the series, in fact I was annoyed it was so short as there was so much left out from the whole event. I suppose dragging it out too much might have turned into some sort of torture porn but there was so much more from what I understand.

Marzin seemed to rely very heavily on Voices from Chernobyl and my concern there is that it is all anecdotal and told many years after the event (published in 2015).

I've read several books on the subject, the ghoul that I am and I've seen the Bridge of Death story debunked several times but as it appeared in Voices of Chernobyl it is now considered gospel.

I never thought I'd ever see Dyatlov become a meme. Ever. That bit I find crazy and hilarious.
Since Russia is going to use the CIA as the reason Chernobyl happened, one can only hope they hire black men to play the agents who die and glow in the dark from the radiation.

I was pretty blown away by that. There's just no fucking telling with radiation, is there?

Did they at least get their 300 ruble bonus?
Since there was at least one black guy at Chernobyl, one can only wonder how long before the spergs screech at his character not getting air time before realizing the mans job was the same as other liquidators.
 
Amazing series and really eye opening. Jared Harris' performance is especially beautiful and moving.

You should check out the podcast series, too. Craig Mazin talks about some of the scenes they had to cut, including one about doggos that was supposed to go into Episode 4. They decided to cut it because, and I quote, "It was too much". You can imagine how grim that is...
 
Dylatov becoming a meme is the craziest goddamn shit but I am loving every awful minute of it.

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I know it's not going to happen, and if it ever did happen they'd mess it up, but this series really makes me want to see an adaptation of Stalker: Shadow of Chernobyl. The scene where the doggo liquidators were having a lunch of sausage, bread, and vodka filled me with nostalgia for that game.

If they ever make a STALKER series of similar quality I'm sure the first blowout/emission will be a bit of a mindfuck for people who watched Chernobyl first.
 
I don't think it really matters, but she's really the only female main character. I think he felt the need to balance it out, and if you're going to do that, its better to do it with an amalgam character than a historical one. And since you're doing an amalgam character, the sex really doesn't matter. Her lines of dialogue are basically interchangeable if she were male, which is basically what you want with a character. These are human beings, with human emotions.

To be honest, it feels like a good choice. It evens the cast out without it feeling inorganic. I know some people say it feels 'forced' but it doesn't to me. All the characters have their strengths and weaknesses. You think Scherbina is just a cunt, but he's just a political operative who has survived so long by being cautious and he genuinely wants to help once he finds out the intense gravity of the situation. Legoslav is stuck between a rock and a hard place, someone who doesn't want to navigate these waters. But is given an immense amount of power and authority, a crushing weight he isn't used to. And then you have Emily Watson (who is, yes, Legoslav's representation of his conscious. She's an amalgam character as well as a metaphor) she's free from this burden because she's operating on the outskirts and can act as his conscious. But as Scherbina says, its easy to do so when you're not the one facing the bullet.

So each of these characters have their respective strengths and weaknesses. And honestly, if I were writing this, I would have made the amlgam character a woman as well. 99% of the cast is men, which is historically accurate. Its ok to have one of the three mains and one of the three representations as a woman. Think of it like this.

You can picture Legoslav as the main, with Scherbina and Khomyuk as two sides of his soul, pulling at him in opposite directions. Scherbina represents the practical, fearsome nature of the party operative that is part of Legoslav. While Khomyuk represents the scientific, compassionate mind, truth at any cost portion of his soul. One male representation and one female representation. With Legoslav being in the middle. Its based on historical events, but it is still a drama and written like one.

So you have this triad, with Legoslav in the middle, Khomyuk on one side, Scherbina on the other. Both pulling at him in different directions. The only exception is Scherbina was a historical figure. But it is 100% Shakespearian in that Scherbina and Khomyuk are pseudo-metaphorical, serving as two sides of Legoslav's mind. If you think about it, what would you associate with pragmatism and shrewd survival? Male. Compassion and love for the people, truth at any cost? Female. I mean, narrative wise, these are archetypes. Really classic ones too. That's why you've got Emily Watson as the female character. Thinking about this through the standpoint whereby we're seeing the story unfold through Legoslav's eyes and his mind, that's what these two characters serve as. One male half, one female half, one full human being.

Nobody ever thinks of story-telling, just the culture war. Makes me so fucking sad. Everything boiled down to Trump derangement syndrome and "YAS QKWEEN". It isn't woke, the guy didn't just haphazardly include a female because his politics told him to do so. Emily Watson's character is female for very good reasons. One, there were female scientists. Two, to round out the cast since its all male and another perspective is important. Three, to act as a metaphor for Legsolav's compassion. Four, she's an amalgam character so sex didn't matter. The problem is nobody understands anything from a storytelling perspective anymore. He's most certainly using Emily Watson as I described her, as a literary and narrative device, serving as metaphor for Legoslav's compassionate side as well as the other scientists. The problem is reviewers don't understand storytelling anymore. They only understand this political narrative garbage. They don't know why Chernobyl is good. Its like their brains have lost the way to do this so creators don't have a choice but to go low-brow political because that's the only way people seem to want to engage with their media these days. At least reviewers and the fucktarded media as well as progtards.

If he said that Emily Watson was a narrative device and metaphor and her sex really didn't matter (it doesn't, but she's female because she represents Legoslav's compassion and conscious, a classic feminine literary archetype from ancient fucking Greece), he'd get called a fucking sexist from dawn till dusk. But if he goes, "Yeah, I made her female because women are awesome" he gets "YAS QKEEEN SLAY" and none of the headache from fucking mongoloid re.tards who don't understand a story. So I see his point if he explained it that way. He is definitely keenly aware of the climate. I mean, maybe he did do it because of 'wokeness' but the narrative seems too complex for that simple explanation, and its easier these days to treat the media as re.tarded children than give them the accurate explanation for things.



It most certainly doesn't have anything to do with current events. Just the usual, dude trying to gain woke points on Twitter. The problem is we're boiling all of our interactions down to this. You have to look at how this guy wrote it. The way he tells the story. The narrative is compelling because of how he tells it, and how Legoslav is a Shakespearean figure. The whole thing plays out like a Shakespeare play. A tragedy about madness. Its got a fuckton of Shakespearean influences.

Its got far more in common with Hamlet or Othello than it does with Donald fucking Trump and climate change. This fucking shit makes me nauseous. How this guy accepts his interwoven, complex narrative, with breathtaking cinematography (fuck me, STALKER and Fallout, beautiful), the droning soundtrack, to this one note "HURR ORANGE MAN BAD" & "YASSS QKWEEN" to mongoloids on Twitter I will never fucking understand.

I watched the last two episodes after reading your critique, transformed my experience. Your post is one of the best things I have ever read on the internet. I would seriously love to watch a movie with you (no homo).
 
So am I the only one that after seeing this and then reading more about the incident who feels, if anything, better about nuclear power? The sheer number of fuckups it took to create this disaster is staggering.
 
So am I the only one that after seeing this and then reading more about the incident who feels, if anything, better about nuclear power? The sheer number of fuckups it took to create this disaster is staggering.
earlier Chernobyl media but yeah that was what got me into atomics
 
I have been wanting to see this series and this thread has definitely confirmed that I should.

With that said, I highly, highly recommend this episode of "Surviving Disaster". Ade Edmondson plays Legasov...the whole thing is just heart-wrenching. If you've enjoyed the Chernobyl mini-series, I think this will be up your alley.

 
I think it could be because the heat from the core would have turned instantly the water into steam but I could be completely wrong.
They were referring to the radioactive graphite debris on the roof of the reactor building, not the radioactive molten puddle that used to be the core (and was by that point covered in 5,000 tons of sand and boron). As to the question of why not use water cannons to shove the graphite debris into the reactor room: I don't think they had any ladder trucks tall enough, and building scaffolding that would allow water cannons to do such would take a lot more time than cycling in conscripts to remove the debris with shovels
 
Watched the show and it's most likely one of the best shows ever made in TV history. It's a very interesting historical event and the way how it's portrayed is (a few shortcomings notwithstanding) a very accurate and relatable tale about human suffering and struggle after hubris ends up creating one of the most significant catastrophies in human history.
I really like watching original cuts from live television about historic events. Stuff like the Howard Stern show from the day of the 9/11 attacks. The way how these events pan out, with people not knowing what even happened and trying to come to terms with it is really fascinating and makes you understand historic events much better.
This show, though a dramatisation, does that and it does so well.
Dyatlov shouting about the core not having exploded, people trying to cling to lies of the accident not being that terrible, the whole "It's not 3 Roentgen, it's 15.000 Roentgen" thing... it's insane.

And the show manages to encapsulate the sheer terror of what it means to be exposed to radiation. People have no clue what dangers they are in, or if they do, they have no choice. The last scene of episode 3 where the dosimetres go crazy and the radiation becomes to bad, the flashlights die, that's nightmare fuel. The scene with the liquidator on that rooftop is also pretty impactful.
Just imagine, you have thousands of people come from all over the place to work less than 2 minutes to shovel a few pieces of debris. That's how dangerous that job was.

Very emotional, I just wonder, is there a public source about radiation sickness and radioactive burns on the skin, cause I would like to know how realistic that depiction was. In terms of -say- Akimov and that Firefighter Wassili (the one who irradiates his wife), I assume it was pretty spot on, but the other firefighter that lifts a piece of graphite at the beginning might be a bit exaggerated. Then again, he was touching a piece of graphite just a few minutes after it was thrown out of the reactor, so god knows how many short-lived isotopes you'd still have on that, emitting insane levels of radiation.

It most certainly doesn't have anything to do with current events. Just the usual, dude trying to gain woke points on Twitter. The problem is we're boiling all of our interactions down to this. You have to look at how this guy wrote it. The way he tells the story. The narrative is compelling because of how he tells it, and how Legoslav is a Shakespearean figure. The whole thing plays out like a Shakespeare play. A tragedy about madness. Its got a fuckton of Shakespearean influences.

Its got far more in common with Hamlet or Othello than it does with Donald fucking Trump and climate change. This fucking shit makes me nauseous. How this guy accepts his interwoven, complex narrative, with breathtaking cinematography (fuck me, STALKER and Fallout, beautiful), the droning soundtrack, to this one note "HURR ORANGE MAN BAD" & "YASSS QKWEEN" to mongoloids on Twitter I will never fucking understand.
In a post-credit scene in Episode 4, the makers of the show actually refer to Khomyuk as a shakespearian representation of Legasov's conciousness, so you're 100% on your money.
Also, your other, long comment is a really well-written piece that highlights why Khomyuk is a great character. I was conflicted about her being an amalgam character, but I came to the same conclusion that it's very handy to condense down a shitton of people into one representation and they did give her a few very neat scenes and blended her in very well.

Oh ffs It's a show set in the Soviet Union. Why would you expect the people there to be diverse (and yes I'm aware of the Soviet Union's Central Asian component). That would be like these people complaining that the Godfather part I wasn't diverse enough...It's the fucking mafia. They're not supposed to be diverse.
The same people complain about Jared Leto being a Yakuza - y'know, one of the few criminal organizations where it makes a shitton of sense that you'd have a foreigner in their ranks, since they are pretty much outsiders to japanese society anyway.

There were many more lies, lies about how fucking safe it was and contained, lies about the number of people affected. You can't have sad in Soviet paradise. There were orders to exclude radiation exposure from diagnoses. A lot of livestock in nearby areas were slaughtered and ... did not go to waste. That's probably another 10 episodes of less drama that no one would care to watch.
In Germany, farmers and corporations didn't know what to do with their crops that had been declared unsafe for consumption. Many farmers just plowed them over, which is one of the most stupid things to do tbh, since it put all these dangerous elements back into the ground, so generations of crops will be contaminated. On the other hand, you'd have people buy these contaminated crops, contaminated milk and milk powder and just sell it to companies Eastern Germany.

I'm too young to remember much of this time myself, I do, however remember the hassle of cleaning clothes and boots after taking a walk. Only vague recolletions of my father grabbing my rainboots and making sure that we didn't track anything into the apartment, stuff like that.

And just to highlight the scope of this issue:
I live in Germany, more than 1200km away from Pripyat, however to this day, it's dangerous to eat too many mushrooms from the forest or boar and deer meat, since it's contaminated to this day. You'de have to eat a lot of this stuff to get into trouble, but it's still something to be aware of, more than 30 years after the fact.

But at least we get awesome memes now:
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