Illegal Immigrants and you - Are illegals really that big of a problem?

[Medicated]

Because the welfare state is providing an incentive for an American citizen to not do the job.

I thought America had one of the least welfare states in the western world.

 

[This+]

I'd like to take a moment to ask a question in regards to this. Do illegals pay taxes? I know it sounds like a dumb question and you would think that obviously they wouldn't but is that really the case? Because I've found some surprising things that have said before that illegals do actually pay taxes either through an ITIN or a Social Security number that isn't theirs. I'm not advocating for a looser stance on immigration I'm just curious.

It's a good question because I guarantee 95% of Americans don't even know the people they're so opposed to. I can't speak for every single illegal immigrant but they pay income taxes, like everyone else. However, they can't claim a majority of benefits or what everyone in this thread boils down to "welfare." So essentially, they're paying into a system they can't benefit from, which is a net positive for Americans if you ask me.

I said this in a different thread but try getting an illegal qualified for SNAP or Medicare, see what happens.

 

[wellthathappened]

I thought America had one of the least welfare states in the western world.

Fake news.

 

[CWCchange]

And also keep in mind Americans are super priveleged and won't do a lot of jobs for cheap prices. Who would pick fruit or work at McDonald's for minimum wage? Add in the extremely high quality of life people expect here that you cant afford at minimum wife, and you have a bunch of illegals doing jobs that Americans wont.

The issue is such employers developed the assumption any native white or black willing to do a job like picking fruit would want better wages, even though those jobs could be done by young adults and would build character. It changed after the Great Depression and into WWII with the Bracero program which regulated contract migrant labor, and anyone who tried to illegally stay in the country were deported. It continued to 1964, but after Hart-Celler a year later, which was never even enforced properly, as well as Simpson–Mazzoli in 1986, you can see why we're in this shit.

I thought America had one of the least welfare states in the western world.

Yes, but combining smaller welfare payments with McJob wages makes it sort of comparable. In a way, companies like Walmart are subsidized by the government to pay employees. Hell, Walmart also admitted a chunk of its profit comes from EBT.

It's a good question because I guarantee 95% of Americans don't even know the people they're so opposed to. I can't speak for every single illegal immigrant but they pay income taxes, like everyone else. However, they can't claim a majority of benefits or what everyone in this thread boils down to "welfare." So essentially, they're paying into a system they can't benefit from, which is a net positive for Americans if you ask me.

Except where does the tax revenue go? Down the toilet, from lining the pockets of politicians who support such bullshit, to "educating" anchor babies in our overcrowded public schools. The argument illegals are a net positive because they might pay taxes is as retarded as claiming thieves are good for the economy because they buy stuff with stolen money.

 

[Medicated]

Yes, but combining smaller welfare payments with McJob wages makes it sort of comparable. In a way, companies like Walmart are subsidized by the government to pay employees. Hell, Walmart also admitted a chunk of its profit comes from EBT.

Even so, I thought other countries had much cushier systems, especially if you were completely unemployed.

 

[This+]

Except where does the tax revenue go? Down the toilet, from lining the pockets of politicians who support such bullshit, to "educating" anchor babies in our overcrowded public schools. The argument illegals are a net positive because they might pay taxes is as exceptional as claiming thieves are good for the economy because they buy stuff with stolen money.

So how is medicare funded? How is the gigantic defense budget funded? George Soros can't possibly have all that cash to continue doing this forever! Arguing that tax money going to corrupt/ineffective policies as reason to dismiss the net positive of illegals paying income tax (again, without getting anything in return) is as retarded as sticking your nose in a pine tree trunk and saying you can't see the forest.

I hope you also realize that IRS doesn't give a shit about whether or not taxes are paid by upstanding citizens, crooks, and/or illegal immigrants. They just care about whether or not they get their sweet, sweet tax money that needs to get paid. So no, it's not a "might," but a definite.

 

[CaptainuWu]

I personally have nothing against illegal immigrants, but I think that leniency over the matter is a huge security threat. Undocumented people are -to an extent- invisible to the government. Many probably use falsified information. Just imagine getting into a car accident with an illegal immigrant who has no car insurance; it'd be a nightmare.

 

[wylfım]

I hope you also realize that IRS doesn't give a shit about whether or not taxes are paid by upstanding citizens, crooks, and/or illegal immigrants. They just care about whether or not they get their sweet, sweet tax money that needs to get paid. So no, it's not a "might," but a definite.

Here's the thing, its hard to get someone to pay taxes if you have no idea they exist. Yes they pay sales tax, but that's not as significant as things like income tax and social security. And keep in mind that they tend to live with a lower quality of life, hence they buy less things and pay less sales tax. Sure they might not be able to claim benefits from the system, but if anything that's a moral argument against illegals, since they're being forced to remain at a sub-par standard of living.

 

[CWCchange]

So how is medicare funded? How is the gigantic defense budget funded? George Soros can't possibly have all that cash to continue doing this forever! Arguing that tax money going to corrupt/ineffective policies as reason to dismiss the net positive of illegals paying income tax (again, without getting anything in return) is as exceptional as sticking your nose in a pine tree trunk and saying you can't see the forest.

THEY'LL PAY OUR PENSIONS! Where else did I hear that argument?

 

[Just Some Other Guy]

They also send to send a lot of money back to Mexico, which I've always viewed as money leeched away from being spent/ invested here in our economy. Correct me if I'm wrong though.

 

[Commander Keen]

I’ve seen too many Mexican nationals (read: illegals) raping and murdering to say illegal immigration isn’t a problem with any amount of intellectual honesty.

So it should be shut down. Because it will save lives. Sorry, they’re on another team and I don’t have to help them out especially since I would get shit on in Mexico if I pulled the same crap and they wouldn’t just deport me. I’d be in the federales’ prison playing hide the beaner burrito or worse.

 

[This+]

I have no actual rebuttals, here is a shitty meme of something that's completely different from the illegal immigrant situation an entire Atlantic Ocean away.

Thanks, I guess.

 

[wylfım]

Thanks, I guess.

Both involve an influx of 3rd world migrants who don't assimilate well, and only move to the country because money.
No, it seems pretty similar to me.

 

[Your Weird Fetish]

I thought America had one of the least welfare states in the western world.

Health and human services plus social security are the biggest parts of the US government's expenditures. So while that may be true, it's still not saying a lot. All the western world has a gigantic welfare safety net.

 

[White bubblegum]

I'm not gonna write a long paragraph because tl;dr illegal immigration is bad for everyone involved, but what do some of you guys have against mexican music? I get the whole "having loud parties at 1 am" thing but the music itself is fine. I'd take it over most American music any day.

 

[Hui]

No

fucking

Guatemalans

 

[Erwin Rotten]

Being illegal is a crime and anyone who defends them should be considered as an accomplice to a crime. No matter what country, what race, what religion, anyone who stays in another country illegally is lazy as hell and heavily privileged.

Now time to shift through the fake news:
- Illegals don't pay as much in taxes as they take. They are a liability in any country. Holding a fake SSN is a minority occurrence(not to mention identity theft).

-Illegal adults do not get welfare checks, but their children do. These are births(anchor babies) that exist in a country and are citizens of a country their parents did not earn the right to be in. This is extra money the tax payers have to support, but shouldn't. The money is given to the children is meant for the children, but is given to the parents, who are to be trusted to take care of their children without knowing English and being under 18 in a large amount of cases.

-Welfare rewards someone with more children. This is a problem with illegal immigration where people can literally fuck their way into 5 figure income, especially when welfare pays more than minimum wage.

-Mexicans alone are sending to Mexico over $69 billion dollars a year. A majority of this is done by illegals, naturally. This is $69 billion dollars the US will never see again. It actually effects the value of the dollar, since there's less dollars and more pesos being used. This further effects the FOREX market, which is already difficult for US citizens to enter. In other words, it harms investors in a way that shouldn't be happening. NAFTA only adds insult to injury with how it makes US companies give Mexicans money directly.

-Illegals get free healthcare because they don't have an identity on file and can enter the emergency room, and cannot be denied. This means thousands of unpaid dollars per visit, with other patients and insurance companies footing the bill. Communism at work.

-Illegals are NOT doing the jobs people don't want to do. When unemployment is above 0%, there's people who want any job. The fact of the matter is that an employer has to pay taxes when they employ someone(half of the tax, which is why most pay checks around the minimum have about a 7% tax deduction, instead of around 12% - 15%). The employer also doesn't have to pay overtime, nor does it have to admit that it has over 50 employees, so it avoids paying medical and other regulations. Most illegal farm workers and construction workers make more than the average legal one. I'd love to do construction or farm work for the pay they are getting.

-Illegals are not being scouted out for no reason. Every time a raid is done, ICE has to do research and finds out illegals are using welfare, using fake SSN, or a business holds more employees than what they legally registered in their tax forms. All they need is one lead to find a suspicious spot. It's no different than a drug raid. If illegals don't want to be found in a raid, they shouldn't be breaking further laws, and somehow they think they are oppressed when they don't even do any jail time. It's a trip to the border, and they just go back for round 2.

-Splitting up families is the fault of the one who came illegally. The government doesn't go to another country to split up a family for fun. People know what they're doing. Also, a lot of cartel members are taking children from their relatives, pretending they have a child, and when they reach a major city, they sell that child into sex trade. I've seen actual mothers do that, who have sold their children to pedos in their neighborhood, just for that quick buck. It doesn't help that California has laws that prevent the pimps of children prostitutes from being detained by police.

-The number of illegals in the US has been said to be 11 million for years, but recent research from Yale has said it's more like 30 million, while Anne Coulter says it's like 40 million. Either way, it's around 1 out of 10 people who are illegal. This means 10% of people in the US are instantly criminals and like 5% of them are in or around LA. This is AFTER Trump's rise in deportation.

-An illegal can do any crime they want, and as long as they don't leave any direct evidence like the address of their hideout or directly get caught doing a crime, they are able to escape scott free. Just imagine being a citizen, and magically your finger prints and blood samples are erased. How can the police stop you? How can you be related to a crime scene? This fact is the reason why most illegals are found only after drunk driving or being caught right at the border or during a raid. Anything else might as well have happened during the medieval era with how primitive the available evidence is.

-Illegals don't merge with the culture of the US. No matter what country they come from, they bring their culture and keep it. Some lose it, some leave it because they hate it, but then they stay in families and neighborhoods who keep it. Mexican music is basically country music, it's meant to be played by the average bean for their parties after they survive the winter. These people don't come from major cities or modernized areas. They come from villages where they shit in the same river they drink from and their houses are made of clay that was dried in the sun because they were too lazy to use a fire. Not to mention, the amount of witchcraft in the Mexican community is like it's straight out of an episode of Salem. I know a lady who actually paid a witch (bruha) to curse someone she hated. She paid like a thousand dollars. This is what they spend their money on.

-Pedophilia is incredibly high in the illegal communities because of garbage cultures. It doesn't help that the children are told to be quiet, in fear of having their rapist relatives deported or they are threatened with cartel relations. This makes it worse when you realize a large amount of farm work in Texas is done by anchor baby children, and they work on farms in order to keep their pedo-defending parents in the country while they wait for a green card.

I'm sure there's a lot more to say but tl;dr Illegal immigration is a bad thing and it's better to just wait for a visa in your own country. Do things the right way. If anyone wants a part 2, I'll be more than happy to explain why most excuses illegals have for being illegal is bullshit.

 

[Just Some Other Guy]

Eh, sure. Feel free to post a part 2. Had a gut feeling about most of these points anyways, but it's nice to see someone put it out there.

 

[Zaragoza]

Being illegal is a crime and anyone who defends them should be considered as an accomplice to a crime. No matter what country, what race, what religion, anyone who stays in another country illegally is lazy as hell and heavily privileged.

Now time to shift through the fake news:
- Illegals don't pay as much in taxes as they take. They are a liability in any country. Holding a fake SSN is a minority occurrence(not to mention identity theft).

-Illegal adults do not get welfare checks, but their children do. These are births(anchor babies) that exist in a country and are citizens of a country their parents did not earn the right to be in. This is extra money the tax payers have to support, but shouldn't. The money is given to the children is meant for the children, but is given to the parents, who are to be trusted to take care of their children without knowing English and being under 18 in a large amount of cases.

-Welfare rewards someone with more children. This is a problem with illegal immigration where people can literally fuck their way into 5 figure income, especially when welfare pays more than minimum wage.

-Mexicans alone are sending to Mexico over $69 billion dollars a year. A majority of this is done by illegals, naturally. This is $69 billion dollars the US will never see again. It actually effects the value of the dollar, since there's less dollars and more pesos being used. This further effects the FOREX market, which is already difficult for US citizens to enter. In other words, it harms investors in a way that shouldn't be happening. NAFTA only adds insult to injury with how it makes US companies give Mexicans money directly.

-Illegals get free healthcare because they don't have an identity on file and can enter the emergency room, and cannot be denied. This means thousands of unpaid dollars per visit, with other patients and insurance companies footing the bill. Communism at work.

-Illegals are NOT doing the jobs people don't want to do. When unemployment is above 0%, there's people who want any job. The fact of the matter is that an employer has to pay taxes when they employ someone(half of the tax, which is why most pay checks around the minimum have about a 7% tax deduction, instead of around 12% - 15%). The employer also doesn't have to pay overtime, nor does it have to admit that it has over 50 employees, so it avoids paying medical and other regulations. Most illegal farm workers and construction workers make more than the average legal one. I'd love to do construction or farm work for the pay they are getting.

-Illegals are not being scouted out for no reason. Every time a raid is done, ICE has to do research and finds out illegals are using welfare, using fake SSN, or a business holds more employees than what they legally registered in their tax forms. All they need is one lead to find a suspicious spot. It's no different than a drug raid. If illegals don't want to be found in a raid, they shouldn't be breaking further laws, and somehow they think they are oppressed when they don't even do any jail time. It's a trip to the border, and they just go back for round 2.

-Splitting up families is the fault of the one who came illegally. The government doesn't go to another country to split up a family for fun. People know what they're doing. Also, a lot of cartel members are taking children from their relatives, pretending they have a child, and when they reach a major city, they sell that child into sex trade. I've seen actual mothers do that, who have sold their children to pedos in their neighborhood, just for that quick buck. It doesn't help that California has laws that prevent the pimps of children prostitutes from being detained by police.

-The number of illegals in the US has been said to be 11 million for years, but recent research from Yale has said it's more like 30 million, while Anne Coulter says it's like 40 million. Either way, it's around 1 out of 10 people who are illegal. This means 10% of people in the US are instantly criminals and like 5% of them are in or around LA. This is AFTER Trump's rise in deportation.

-An illegal can do any crime they want, and as long as they don't leave any direct evidence like the address of their hideout or directly get caught doing a crime, they are able to escape scott free. Just imagine being a citizen, and magically your finger prints and blood samples are erased. How can the police stop you? How can you be related to a crime scene? This fact is the reason why most illegals are found only after drunk driving or being caught right at the border or during a raid. Anything else might as well have happened during the medieval era with how primitive the available evidence is.

-Illegals don't merge with the culture of the US. No matter what country they come from, they bring their culture and keep it. Some lose it, some leave it because they hate it, but then they stay in families and neighborhoods who keep it. Mexican music is basically country music, it's meant to be played by the average bean for their parties after they survive the winter. These people don't come from major cities or modernized areas. They come from villages where they shit in the same river they drink from and their houses are made of clay that was dried in the sun because they were too lazy to use a fire. Not to mention, the amount of witchcraft in the Mexican community is like it's straight out of an episode of Salem. I know a lady who actually paid a witch (bruha) to curse someone she hated. She paid like a thousand dollars. This is what they spend their money on.

-Pedophilia is incredibly high in the illegal communities because of garbage cultures. It doesn't help that the children are told to be quiet, in fear of having their rapist relatives deported or they are threatened with cartel relations. This makes it worse when you realize a large amount of farm work in Texas is done by anchor baby children, and they work on farms in order to keep their pedo-defending parents in the country while they wait for a green card.

I'm sure there's a lot more to say but tl;dr Illegal immigration is a bad thing and it's better to just wait for a visa in your own country. Do things the right way. If anyone wants a part 2, I'll be more than happy to explain why most excuses illegals have for being illegal is bullshit.

Stories involving illegal immigrants would be cool.

 

[Meat Poultry Veg]

I thought America had one of the least welfare states in the western world.

It's better than Mexico's, which is "Go about your daily life and get beheaded by a cartel enforcer."

A nurse complained to me once that illegals can't be denied emergency medical treatment and of course, get it for free.