Ridley Scott's Napoleon - Murray, when you bring me out can you introduce me as le petit caporal?

[BrunoMattei]

I think critic reviews can be tossed out the window by this point because the general public recognizes it's just a game among the studios and a tiny cloistered sect of old media figureheads who still think what they say matters.

Ridley Scott is a great albeit very hit and miss director. Joaquin is a fantastic actor. I'm seeing it opening weekend. Fuck Rotten Tomatoes.

Edit: I didn't realize it comes out so soon and it's out this Tuesday. I'll see it then.

 

[likeacrackado]

My expectations(and hopes) are that it will be Kingdom of Heaven tier. Epic scope and production grand enough to ignore Ridley Scott's stupid themes. If early audience reviews aren't terrible, I'll go see it in the theater. I sat through Barbie and didn't hate it so they'll have to go very overboard with Josephine to turn me off.

 

[Foltest]

I love that Scott is so grumpy.
He have zero fucks to give anymore.

 

[Peep Plops]

Revisionist anglo trash, hard pass.

 

[TVB]

I didn't realize it comes out so soon and it's out this Tuesday. I'll see it then.

Tuesday night for premiere, yes, but it's officially released Wednesday for the Thanksgiving weekend

I think critic reviews can be tossed out the window by this point because the general public recognizes it's just a game among the studios and a tiny cloistered sect of old media figureheads who still think what they say matters.

Major critics, no matter what medium, are complete asshats who will be paid by major companies to say in such condescending matter about what they think they like and audiences wants to like. For example, ever notice how dishonest they are when studios pay them to say something positive and sugarcoated to movies they know they don't like?

 

[Corpun]

I'm only particularly interested in how they do the ending. If they end it on St. Helena it is trash, if they end it with Napoleon on a ship being taken to St. Helena looking at the French coast vanish on the horizon, at least it is a decent ending.

 

[Commander X]

Reducing such a historical figure to a deluded simp is such a sad outcome. Being naturally energetic and enterprising? Impossible. It must all be a series of reactions to others putting him down. Napoleon was obsessed with conquest as reaction to being teased in school. He was victorious at Toulon only because a guy called him a shitbag. He conquered Europe only because he craved just a crumb, madame, please of Josephine’s pussy. That's the only way people with a slave mentality can comprehend "great" men of history.

 

[Breadbassket]

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Reducing such a historical figure to a deluded simp is such a sad outcome. Being naturally energetic and enterprising? Impossible. It must all be a series of reactions to others putting him down. Napoleon was obsessed with conquest as reaction to being teased in school. He was victorious at Toulon only because a guy called him a shitbag. He conquered Europe only because he craved just a crumb, madame, please of Josephine’s pussy. That's the only way people with a slave mentality can comprehend "great" men of history.

I've read sometimes that Napoleon has been described as having a chip on his shoulder which motivated him in some ways but this sounds like that idea taken to the extreme.

As for his relationship with Josephine, he was apparently generally awkward with women and may of been unaware or naive about his Empress's to be penchant for having all sort of affairs. Upon learning she was getting it on with another man in the same year they were married no less Bonaparte went on to have his own affair while in Egypt which would indicate he had more drive in him then to just be his unfaithful wife's play thing. Her influence was so great in their relationship that he divorced her to marry a more diplomatically significant Austrian archduchess who could give him an heir. At the very least by the end of Napoleon's life they did at least respect one another and were on friendly terms.

If this review is accurate (which I hope it isn't) it is a shame such an intriguing ambitious man has his own agency taken away and is portrayed as being solely motivated by the actions of others.

 

[Rome's rightful successor]

Just saw the movie. It's not a bad film but a flawed but good film.
The movie is not at all like what the journos or film critics are making it out to be.
It's worth a watch for sure.

 

[Rome's rightful successor]

Just saw the movie. It's not a bad film but a flawed but good film.
The movie is not at all like what the journos or film critics are making it out to be.
It's worth a watch for sure.

To elaborate further let's talk about the good and bad:
The Bad:
1.) The film likes to show off it's black people like a rich youtuber showing off their new lambo. Yet funny enough the word Haiti isn't brought up not even once.

2.) Damned as he tried Joaquin Phoenix could not convincingly be Napoleon Bonaparte. He could only play a guy playing Napoleon. To be very fair there is no one person alive in the film industry who could play a 100% convincing Napoleon.

3.) The film's run time does not do it any favors and forces the movie's narrative to be about Napoleon's romance with Josephine in order to make everything work on a cohesive way. Like it requires predisposed knowledge about the Napoleonic era. Moments in his wars are presented without their full context like Egypt and Austerlitz. In fact Austria only exist in context to Austerlitz and Prussia to Waterloo. Italy gets a brief mention with no mention to Sicily, Naples or even the Pope. Spain also doesn't get mentioned despite his brother briefly being in the film.

4.) The film starts off to a rendition of Ah Ca Ira that sounds very nightcore like. It made me unintentionally laugh.

The Good:
1.) There were no bad performances

2.) The romance between Napoleon and Josephine nearly takes center stage in this and honestly was actually one of the best parts of the film. Vanessa Kirby and Joaquin Phoenix had a really good onscreen chemistry together. Vanessa Kirby herself as Josephine is a very pretty woman in this.

3.) The humor whether intentional or unintentional was kinda actually funny. Thank god it wasn't some marvel tier shit. The film does try to degrade Napoleon once or twice but it doesn't work and he still comes across like the badass he is.

4.) The soundtrack however occasionally it appears and disappears to only eventually reappear again is very period authentic and definitely a highlight.

5.) The battle scenes are sparse but still an awesome sight and a highlight of the film.

6.) Tsar Alexander I of Russia was a massive gigachad in real life and in this movie doesn't take that away from him despite fears of current geopolitical events might make this movie take that away from him. Every scene he's in is a highlight.


It's worth a watch for sure.

 

[Your Starter for 10]

Reducing such a historical figure to a deluded simp is such a sad outcome. Being naturally energetic and enterprising? Impossible. It must all be a series of reactions to others putting him down. Napoleon was obsessed with conquest as reaction to being teased in school. He was victorious at Toulon only because a guy called him a shitbag. He conquered Europe only because he craved just a crumb, madame, please of Josephine’s pussy. That's the only way people with a slave mentality can comprehend "great" men of history.

Especially since we know he had a ton of mistresses, including his two favorites which were also named Josephine (and Josephine hated them, but wouldn't/couldn't do anything about it - I think he gave one of them a castle which royally (npi) pissed her off). I don't know how much, if any, of that was covered in the movie, but it doesn't seem like much. I mean he was well known as a womanizer, even for a rich French guy, which is what makes him and Josephine so special. He could (and did) have whomever he liked, but still allowed her to rule his heart and affect his judgement.

 

[barbieQ]

I’ll admit, such polarizing reviews from kiwibros is making me curious about the movie. I’m not a huge history buff, but I recently watched Waterloo, is it in anyway comparable to that?

 

[Rome's rightful successor]

I’ll admit, such polarizing reviews from kiwibros is making me curious about the movie. I’m not a huge history buff, but I recently watched Waterloo, is it in anyway comparable to that?

Waterloo was definitely better. This movie is still up there but a comparison is more apples to oranges except for the last act.

 

[Michael Wade]

I figured it would be decently made cliff notes version of history.

Jack Poso hates it funny enough, but if you kewi bros recommend I'll be there.

 

[tehpope]

I saw it in 70mm. Its alright. I'm not sure if it was the theater or what, but every explosion or loud sound was pretty distorted.

I'm not sure if Scott will have a longer cut on Video like he did with Kingdom of Heaven or Robin Hood. I'm not sure if it would be necessary.

Especially since we know he had a ton of mistresses, including his two favorites which were also named Josephine (and Josephine hated them, but wouldn't/couldn't do anything about it - I think he gave one of them a castle which royally (npi) pissed her off). I don't know how much, if any, of that was covered in the movie, but it doesn't seem like much. I mean he was well known as a womanizer, even for a rich French guy, which is what makes him and Josephine so special. He could (and did) have whomever he liked, but still allowed her to rule his heart and affect his judgement.

When he gets back from Egypt, he does mention affairs he's had. But that's all the film really does.

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Reducing such a historical figure to a deluded simp is such a sad outcome. Being naturally energetic and enterprising? Impossible. It must all be a series of reactions to others putting him down. Napoleon was obsessed with conquest as reaction to being teased in school. He was victorious at Toulon only because a guy called him a shitbag. He conquered Europe only because he craved just a crumb, madame, please of Josephine’s pussy. That's the only way people with a slave mentality can comprehend "great" men of history.

I didn't get the feeling they made Napoleon out to be a simp for Josephine. It basically plays it up as Josephine was Napoleon one true love. Didn't show him with any other women other than the one that bore his son.

Speaking of him, he's in like 3 scenes and then disappears. No mention of him ever again.

@Rome's rightful successor There's a bunch of shots of black people. And a lot of the servants are black. But the film itself doesn't really point it out. Its just there.

Considering Oppenheimer had a sex scene I am expecting at least one random sex scene with Josephine cut in at a random moment.

There's two sex scenes. Its fully clothed. No nudity. The most you get is Josephine's lovers butt and Vanessa Kirby's cleavage.

 

[Corpun]

Speaking of him, he's in like 3 scenes and then disappears. No mention of him ever again.

To be fair, Napoleon II is a figure who is usually forgotten about thanks to how he was treated growing up and his untimely death. The only reason someone would ever know he existed is because someone has to fill in the gap between Napoleon I and Napoleon III.

There's two sex scenes. Its fully clothed. No nudity. The most you get is Josephine's lovers butt and Vanessa Kirby's cleavage.

Shockingly tame given modern cinema. I'm going to assume Scott saw nudity as relatively pointless or the actors refused to.

 

[Rome's rightful successor]

There's two sex scenes. Its fully clothed. No nudity. The most you get is Josephine's lovers butt and Vanessa Kirby's cleavage.

Shockingly tame given modern cinema. I'm going to assume Scott saw nudity as relatively pointless or the actors refused to.

Yeah we got to see Napoleon slam Josephine's booty cheeks.

 

[anti SJW]

I think historians is a You Tube channel.

 

[thediad]

I'm guessing despite so-so reviews this is going to bury the Hunger Games prequel at the box office this weekend. Oh well, that's Hollywood baby!

 

[TVB]

I'm guessing despite so-so reviews this is going to bury the Hunger Games prequel at the box office this weekend. Oh well, that's Hollywood baby!

Hmmm...

https://variety.com/2023/film/news/killers-of-the-flower-moon-box-office-martin-scorsese-hit-flop-1235783109/amp/