Wreck it Ralph 2

[StarkRavingMad]

I don't mind Disney poking some fun at the Disney Princesses. But there's a certain point where things get too meta and too mean-spirited. And, of course, "too woke." I loved my Princesses JUST FINE before people wanted to transform them into feminist heroes. Jesus H. Christ.

You know who one of my all-time favorite princesses is? Giselle from Enchanted. She's a parody of the Disney Princesses, essentially ... But Enchanted WORKS. Why? Because Amy Adams played the character earnestly, without any hints of cynicism or any obvious "winks" at the audience. Instead of her being annoying, she was absolutely charming and you absolutely wanted to root for her throughout the movie even when she made you laugh. Her innocence and charm melted the cynicism away from a lot of the characters in the movie. Again, IT WORKED. That's how you do a parody while still showcasing respect for the brand!

btw, huge-ass plothole in the movie when you view it as a sequel (which ... It IS a sequel):

Vanellope went Turbo, and the movie treated it like it was a good thing for her to do so ...

 

[Kari Kamiya]

btw, huge-ass plothole in the movie when you view it as a sequel (which ... It IS a sequel):

Vanellope went Turbo, and the movie treated it like it was a good thing for her to do so ...

That's a very good point, but it's okay because gurl power she doesn't have a malicious reason for why she's going Turbo, and Slaughter happily inputs her coding into the game so she can respawn. Also apparently Sugar Rush was better off without her. Or something.

What the fuck happened to Vanellope in between movies? It couldn't have been more than a year in-story since the first film, why did she abandon her presidency (remember that, Disney????) just to leave her game (when she was trying to save it, too) for another because she got bored?

 

[Doctor of Autism]

Even Doug didn't like it

https://youtube.com/watch?v=PYFHA4B1Nos
He makes a good point - if you're going to make a movie about the internet, it has to at least be rated PG-13 to get any great humor/substance out of it.

It's telling that not even someone like Doug who likes to go full contrarian or suck up to the woke crowd dislikes this movie.

 

[Jewelsmakerguy]

My biggest gripe with the movie, above all else, was how the plot turned out. In the first act of the movie, they spent time setting up everything REALLY well ... But none of it really goes anywhere? Again, the stuff they set up with Felix and Calhoun would have made an amazing B Plot (which would have helped tremendously with the pacing) ... But then the B Plot never happened. And the A Plot of getting the steering wheel pretty much went nowhere? It was treated as a complete afterthought by the end of the movie. It made all of the stuff Ralph had to do to "go viral" fall flat, to be honest.

To be fair, the whole nonsense with the Steering wheel is resolved pretty quickly, as underwhelming as it ultimately came across. It just felt way too easily accomplished, but I guess they couldn't have two conflicts going on at the same time.

I thought Felix and his wife were out of character in the movie. Calhoun? Can't spell...she was way to happy to have five annoying kids into her house. What happened to her to make her smile with her arms outstretched at the idea?

I think being married for 6 years made her simmer down a bit outside her game, so I didn't really mind it that much. My issue is the whole "I'll cover for you!" thing Felix tells Ralph before all that internet stuff happens. I mean we never really do get a good timeline as to how long these events take in the movie beyond "before Wednesday", nor do we actually find out just how he plans to do that considering that Ralph is a very vital part of their game.

After hearing about that CYOA book, you can't get out of your head that there was serious meddling. Even my autistic little brother who was OBSESSED with the movie came out of the theatre underwhelmed and depressed Ralph and Vanellope basically won't get to see each other ever.

I would not be surprised if there was meddling from the Mouse involved with the movie. Much of the final product is either confusing or just comes across as someone decided to change things halfway through and attempted to shoehorn it into the preexisting story. Which is odd, considering it shares not only the writer as the first film, but also most of the same story staff (Moore, Johnston, Jim Reardon and a couple other guys I can't remember plus co-writer Ribbon).

What the fuck happened to Vanellope in between movies? It couldn't have been more than a year in-story since the first film, why did she abandon her presidency (remember that, Disney????) just to leave her game (when she was trying to save it, too) for another because she got bored?

The movie states that 6 years have passed between this and the first film.

 

[Rabidcolombian]

Ehhhh perhaps, but I think you can still make PG-rated jokes about the Internet that works. You'd have to beat around the bush a bit, though, but you could put a thin veil over things to squeak them by the censors that only those with intimate knowledge of the Internet could spot it immediately and know what's going on. Like the Dark Web makes an appearance for one scene filled with shady characters and someone said there was a sign that read "New credit cards made daily", meanwhile Ralph basically hired a guy who creates malicious viruses.

That's PG-rated material that works without having to bring attention to drug and CP rings and other atrocities that happen IRL on the Dark Web. The best way to describe it is it's basically a black market with untrustworthy people, and as you're only seeing one part of it to begin with, might as well sum up the place in one simple scene. It wasn't like the whole movie was taking place in the Dark Web to begin with, which would have to be at least the PG-13 level for more adult references such as FBI-planted honeypots, as well as bringing up what goes on in the art sites, chat rooms, and imageboards up on the surface level (which I was told weren't referenced once in the film, which is disappointing). But this is Disney we're talking about, so I don't know what people were expecting outside of the more family-friendly pop culture references that normies would get. Pretty sure that even if Pepe didn't get labeled as a hate symbol, he wouldn't have showed up regardless, so...

Yeah, but it's not just the dark web (I was actually impressed they included it and were able to not make it uncomfortable). Like you can have great commentary on Twitter or Facebook in terms of censoring people for unpopular opinions that could be really funny if not for it being a kid's movie.
I know it's Disney, but I feel you have more potential to bring out more humor if it wasn't help back by the label. As Doug said, Futurama did an episode just on this "going into the internet" premise and the jokes wrote themselves.

 

[Zaryiu]

That's a very good point, but it's okay because gurl power she doesn't have a malicious reason for why she's going Turbo, and Slaughter happily inputs her coding into the game so she can respawn. Also apparently Sugar Rush was better off without her. Or something.

What the fuck happened to Vanellope in between movies? It couldn't have been more than a year in-story since the first film, why did she abandon her presidency (remember that, Disney????) just to leave her game (when she was trying to save it, too) for another because she got bored?

I looked it up, why did they think a 6 years time skip was necessary is beyond me

Yeah, but it's not just the dark web (I was actually impressed they included it and were able to not make it uncomfortable). Like you can have great commentary on Twitter or Facebook in terms of censoring people for unpopular opinions that could be really funny if not for it being a kid's movie.
I know it's Disney, but I feel you have more potential to bring out more humor if it wasn't help back by the label. As Doug said, Futurama did an episode just on this "going into the internet" premise and the jokes wrote themselves.

Nu-Disney is a propaganda tool of the loony left so expecting anything good is a mistake

 

[Trilby]

I looked it up, why did they think a 6 years time skip was necessary is beyond me

Who knows, unless they wanted the movie to be in roughly the same "present day" timeline as we're in, given the first film came out in 2012.

 

[StarkRavingMad]

I thought it was very IN-character for Calhoun to be so excited to have a bunch of kids.

1. She's always been a romantic who has wanted married life. Look at her tragic backstory!

2. She's always up for a challenge. No tougher challenge than adopting 16 kids. Haha.

Man. I love Calhoun. Epic fail for not having her and Felix in the movie more.

 

[friedshrimp]

She's a married woman now, and you know, progressive Disney will look down on that. Better to turn the princesses into semi-lesbians and cut any form of heterosexual romance to make the femi-harpies happy then.

 

[Kari Kamiya]

Good fucking God, TV Tropes (ignore the first paragraph, although what a mouthful it is).

I'm getting flashbacks to when it was first thought Vanellope and Ralph could've been an item 'til it was revealed/clarified Vanellope's basically an eight-year-old kid physically and the only romance in the movie was between Felix and Calhoun anyway. Reading all of that was just super uncomfortable (not to mention headache-inducing), what the fuck.

EDIT: Oh God I read further.

 

[Zaryiu]

Good fucking God, TV Tropes (ignore the first paragraph, although what a mouthful it is).
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I'm getting flashbacks to when it was first thought Vanellope and Ralph could've been an item 'til it was revealed/clarified Vanellope's basically an eight-year-old kid physically and the only romance in the movie was between Felix and Calhoun anyway. Reading all of that was just super uncomfortable (not to mention headache-inducing), what the fuck.

EDIT: Oh God I read further.
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What's the internet equivalent of nuking? TV Tropes needs to stop existing

 

[Turd Cow]

It comes out on DVD Feb. 26

Just wait what excuse the director (Rich Moore) makes about the deleted scene where calhoun and felix are in the apartment. Pretty much will say that it doesn't fit the story or something. Will not be surprised said something on the line to that.

 

[Someone in a Tree]

It comes out on DVD Feb. 26

Just wait what excuse the director (Rich Moore) makes about the deleted scene where calhoun and felix are in the apartment. Pretty much will say that it doesn't fit the story or something. Will not be surprised said something on the line to that.

Either that, or they thought the movie was going on too long. The main storyline with Ralph and Vanellope felt really over plotted to the point where I wouldn't be surprised if the filmmakers thought that any time away from the two leads would hurt the pacing. I guess we'll never know if that would have been the case, but the movie takes waaaay to long to get from plot point to plot point.

I was pretty underwhelmed, but I did like Spamley, the role played by an uncredited Bill Hader. I thought that was the closest thing that reached the same levels of clever as the original film.

 

[friedshrimp]

Honestly, the movie not making enough money was probably a blessing. It saved us from the embarassment that would've been "The Disney Princess Cinematic Universe" spin-off, ugh.

 

[Medicated]

The movie states that 6 years have passed between this and the first film.

So basically the sequel could've been that?

 

[PoisonedBun]

Honestly, the movie not making enough money was probably a blessing. It saved us from the embarassment that would've been "The Disney Princess Cinematic Universe" spin-off, ugh.

Not sure what you’re referring to, it did about as well as the first one.

 

[IdaRita]

My niece wanted to watch it so I've seen the movie. It was meh. Had a good moments and some clever imagery (unlike Emoji Movie) and ideas (like trendsetter alghoritm personification changing clothes every scene), but "self-aware" humor was cringy as hell, just like I expected. Cut out all scenes with Disney Princesses and Vanelope's song and it will be OK movie. It should be more about Vanelope and her new mentor and maybe arcade games vs online games theme? I liked the moral about friends that should not be controlling to each other.

But Disney Princesses were pure cringe.
Shrek parodied your 90s movies 20 years ago. COME ON.

 

[Turd Cow]

I'd went to the theater the Friday the week it came out. Let me say that I agree because the princess scene is not only the worst part of the movie, but it also wasted time for the plot and didn't offer any character elements. It foreshadowed the song she sang but was it important to character? Pretty much I was dissapointed with the movie.

[SPOILER="If anyone really cares about spoilers for this movie"/]The ending is honestly what ticked me off the most. It didn't make sense movie logic wise. Vannellope didn't really go turbo. But did anbandoned her game. Its like the kids in sugar rush didn't care at all so they don't even know she's gone.[/SPOILER]

Also for logical reasons Ralph's game would've been unplugged already

 

[Chester Rigby]

The most cringeworthy movie of 2018, hands down.

 

[Jewelsmakerguy]

I'd went to the theater the Friday the week it came out. Let me say that I agree because the princess scene is not only the worst part of the movie, but it also wasted time for the plot and didn't offer any character elements. It foreshadowed the song she sang but was it important to character? Pretty much I was dissapointed with the movie.

[SPOILER="If anyone really cares about spoilers for this movie"/]The ending is honestly what ticked me off the most. It didn't make sense movie logic wise. Vannellope didn't really go turbo. But did anbandoned her game. Its like the kids in sugar rush didn't care at all so they don't even know she's gone.[/SPOILER]

Also for logical reasons Ralph's game would've been unplugged already

They try waving that last one away by saying it was only a small amount of time (from closing to opening). It's stupid yes, but that's what they went with.