Why is Dooming so Popular on Kiwifarms? - The meta discussion

[TheRetardKing]

Because Doom is a great game.

 

[Happy Fish]

Dumb question. You can't even avoid the propaganda shoved down our throats if you try anything short of going innawoods

 

[Dom Cruise]

Once upon a time you had reason to believe that the vast majority of people were good and sane and that by and large, despite hitting some bumps in the road, you could believe the future would be something better than now.

And you at least had fun and exciting bread and circuses to let you forget about the troubles of the world for a while.

Now it's been revealed that far too many people are actually shitty and insane and even the bread and circuses are shit now, only serving to remind you of the many insane and evil people who are on a crusade to seek out and stamp out whatever's left that's good, decent or cool.

So what's not to doom about? Any indication that a backlash is coming to this stuff seems to sputter out, they control the institutions, the government and the media and they very purposely want it their way and they'll do anything, lie, cheat, steal, to get it.

If you don't like the way things are under Woke, there doesn't seem to be any hope anymore of being able to stop it and again, we can't even get entertainment that doesn't suck shit, escapism isn't even allowed, they wont even you let you dream big like the dude in the movie Brazil, they want absolutely control.

And under Woke we are headed to civilization ending disaster, society cannot survive under the insanity of Woke, it's antithetical to what makes civilization function, it's literally the opposite of what makes the world go around.

Again, what's not to doom about?

 

[Don't Tread on Me]

Cry moar incel. If I can make it work, you can.

You haven't made it work. She will leave you for any reason or no reason. You're not dead yet, and neither is she, therefore she can still betray you.

 

[Wormy]

You haven't made it work.

Yea I did. I beat the spread several times over.

She will leave you for any reason or no reason.

Prove it.

You're not dead yet, and neither is she, therefore she can still betray you.

A meteor can also hit me from the sky, but I still go outside.

And under Woke we are headed to civilization ending disaster, society cannot survive under the insanity of Woke, it's antithetical to what makes civilization function, it's literally the opposite of what makes the world go around.

So what do you offer instead that's better?

 

[Rich Evans Ayypologist]

ahh, the fun of a slapdash fix to 'people are just quoting the OP, better arbitrarily disable all quotes past a certain post length' I fucking love digging around in bbcode quotes

The 80s brought with it a disasterous campaign of Regeanomics which resulted in much of the country's industrial sector being gutted.

You get that Thatcherism happened largely because the 1970s saw unions causing rolling power outages and massive reductions in economic output alongside the oil embargo spiking the cost of living on an island nation dependent on inputs, right? Thatcher's reforms in many way kept the place afloat, even if it contained baggage like having private companies compete for work contracts from the government that has led to some of the current malaise.

Yes, the country doesn't have the economic heft of the US - nothing does - and it has similar issues with areas far from London being economically and developmentally maligned. I don't think you would, as a result, prefer to go live in Pakistan or Russia.

the worst excesses of the Rust Belt in the United States. The streets are often afflicted with generational gang crime, in some cases centuries old, and are outright overflowing with drugs, particularly heroin and now fentanyl.

Have you, like, been to any major US metro? Ever?

With a homicide rate of 1.12 per 100k population versus somewhere in the neighborhood of 6.2 per 100k for the US, it looks like the UK's gangs really just have to step it up.

Drug deaths are frustrating to find data about in the UK as it seems each of the four member-states collects their own but does not collate their data -- the CDC has a good enough guess here, while the UK has this thing to show for england and wales. Now, this is obviously comparing 2020 to 2022, and it's comparing per million to per 100k, which is resolved by multiplication. It's a rate of 283 per million for the US against 115 per million for England + Wales. Scotland looks to be doing worse, with rates on par or above the US in 2 of the areas broken down on page 2. Even if we assume, as we should, that 2020 was an outlier for the worse, that's still a wide gap.

The economic hardship has only been increased by either the existence or mishandling (depending on who you choose to ask) of Brexit, which has economically isolated the UK from Europe without removing much of the actual restrictions that the campaign originally sought to escape from.

Probably because there weren't a lot of restrictions specific to the UK, and the EU being a trading bloc still has requirements about what can occur within its economic zone. Thank goodness, though, that the UK can finally buy all the chlorinated chicken from the yanks it wants, free of tariffs.

Regardless of your politics or your stance on racial integration, the United Kingdom has clearly embarked upon the wrong method of doing it.

Yes. And the US has Hollywood, the both of them got to enjoy the catholic church getting frisky, and so-on and so-on. I somehow don't imagine you'll tell me you think India's got it right, or that there's no pederasts in Belarus.

Healthcare in the United Kingdom is an absolute joke, with much of the country's disabled population living in misery and the average patient being more easily able to find the drugs they need on the street than from a doctor.

The NHS has indeed been comically underfunded and giving it money was a core push of the Brexit campaign - and also a complete shambolic lie, of course. However, I don't know that the pill-mill factories of the US really work out so well, especially when you consider that somewhere around 28 million people in the US do not have health insurance. Yes, if you have money to spare and your employer provides solid insurance packages, the US can't be beat; but the coin flips around. People in the UK don't neglect to visit the NHS because they're worried they won't be able to afford it. (They do so because the staff are probably striking.)

Much of the UK's infrastructure is exceedingly dated, with idiotic things such as railway lines still mostly being laid in the gauges that they were in the Victorian Era, the country lacking both the funds and the will to actually overhaul the abysmal public transit systems surrounding major metropolitan areas.

Back in 2021, Joe Biden visited Pittsburgh on the same day that a bridge collapsed out of thin air, and miraculously didn't kill anyone. The US's infrastructure is also in dire need of repair, with no political will nor financial backing to speak of being pointed meaningfully at it.

Militarily, the UK is also a joke, unable to even win a war with Iceland over fishing rights in the North Sea.

While all of the other elements could at least somewhat impact the daily lives of the citizens, the military is the one that has the absolute least to do with why one should-should-not be dooming. If you want to tell me that a Ukrainian is dooming because of what's going on over there, sure. But the strength of the military really does not affect anyone's quality of life in the US or the UK alike.

And those who have the ability to escape it can and frequently do, often to places like Canada (lol) or the USA.

The UK's net migration rate per 1k is about 2.57. The US's is 2.78. The UK's was higher last year than the US's. Yeah, they're really fleeing.

At the end of this, the astute doomer might conclude that the US is also shit, everything is shit, why even try, etc etc etc. The point of all this is to point out that both countries have serious and significant problems to tackle, and yet throwing up your hands and deciding that you're just done and you're going to give up is curiously enough not a solution to any of it. Anyone living in either of the countries (or the west in general) is living a life that, by global and historical standards, is absolutely charmed when compared to their counterparts in nonwestern parts of the world. And yet there's less kvetching and whining and dooming coming out of shitfuckistan.

 

[Sperghetti]

One thing I've noticed lately is that both sides of the "cuture war" just seem to be littered with people who are obviously unhappy on a personal level, but blame it on society in general. We often talk about how the terminally online Twitter addicts are miserable because they don't seem to have any real, meaningful social connections offline, but I think that's probably part of the issue with the doomer crowd as well. Like others have mentioned, it's good to disconnect and go spend some time elsewhere, and I honestly wonder how much of doomerism directly springs from just not having anywhere else to go.

Another thing is that doomers (including in this thread) often subscribe to kind of a golden age fallacy where everything they don't like is a recent development: Things were never this chaotic, the world was never this unbalanced, people were never this narcissistic... but I don't think that's really the case, I think that's just sort of distorted perception. It's easy to look back at the past and only think of the good stuff as being "real", because you can dismiss a large amount of the (also very real) worries and concerns of the time because you know what didn't pan out. That's not to say some things weren't better in the past (there's plenty of stuff that was), but I don't think a lot of people accurately assess the bad alongside the good. Even in your own lifetime, I think you need to be aware of how much time you spent as a kid or a teenager, and obviously that's going to warp your perspective on comparing the past to the current moment, as an adult.

 

[L50LasPak]

You get that Thatcherism happened largely because the 1970s saw unions causing rolling power outages and massive reductions in economic output alongside the oil embargo spiking the cost of living on an island nation dependent on inputs, right? Thatcher's reforms in many way kept the place afloat, even if it contained baggage like having private companies compete for work contracts from the government that has led to some of the current malaise.

Yes, the country doesn't have the economic heft of the US - nothing does - and it has similar issues with areas far from London being economically and developmentally maligned. I don't think you would, as a result, prefer to go live in Pakistan or Russia.

the worst excesses of the Rust Belt in the United States. The streets are often afflicted with generational gang crime, in some cases centuries old, and are outright overflowing with drugs, particularly heroin and now fentanyl.

Have you, like, been to any major US metro? Ever?

With a homicide rate of 1.12 per 100k population versus somewhere in the neighborhood of 6.2 per 100k for the US, it looks like the UK's gangs really just have to step it up.

Drug deaths are frustrating to find data about in the UK as it seems each of the four member-states collects their own but does not collate their data -- the CDC has a good enough guess here, while the UK has this thing to show for england and wales. Now, this is obviously comparing 2020 to 2022, and it's comparing per million to per 100k, which is resolved by multiplication. It's a rate of 283 per million for the US against 115 per million for England + Wales. Scotland looks to be doing worse, with rates on par or above the US in 2 of the areas broken down on page 2. Even if we assume, as we should, that 2020 was an outlier for the worse, that's still a wide gap.

The economic hardship has only been increased by either the existence or mishandling (depending on who you choose to ask) of Brexit, which has economically isolated the UK from Europe without removing much of the actual restrictions that the campaign originally sought to escape from.

Probably because there weren't a lot of restrictions specific to the UK, and the EU being a trading bloc still has requirements about what can occur within its economic zone. Thank goodness, though, that the UK can finally buy all the chlorinated chicken from the yanks it wants, free of tariffs.

Regardless of your politics or your stance on racial integration, the United Kingdom has clearly embarked upon the wrong method of doing it.

Yes. And the US has Hollywood, the both of them got to enjoy the catholic church getting frisky, and so-on and so-on. I somehow don't imagine you'll tell me you think India's got it right, or that there's no pederasts in Belarus.

Healthcare in the United Kingdom is an absolute joke, with much of the country's disabled population living in misery and the average patient being more easily able to find the drugs they need on the street than from a doctor.

The NHS has indeed been comically underfunded and giving it money was a core push of the Brexit campaign - and also a complete shambolic lie, of course. However, I don't know that the pill-mill factories of the US really work out so well, especially when you consider that somewhere around 28 million people in the US do not have health insurance. Yes, if you have money to spare and your employer provides solid insurance packages, the US can't be beat; but the coin flips around. People in the UK don't neglect to visit the NHS because they're worried they won't be able to afford it. (They do so because the staff are probably striking.)

Much of the UK's infrastructure is exceedingly dated, with idiotic things such as railway lines still mostly being laid in the gauges that they were in the Victorian Era, the country lacking both the funds and the will to actually overhaul the abysmal public transit systems surrounding major metropolitan areas.

Back in 2021, Joe Biden visited Pittsburgh on the same day that a bridge collapsed out of thin air, and miraculously didn't kill anyone. The US's infrastructure is also in dire need of repair, with no political will nor financial backing to speak of being pointed meaningfully at it.

Militarily, the UK is also a joke, unable to even win a war with Iceland over fishing rights in the North Sea.

While all of the other elements could at least somewhat impact the daily lives of the citizens, the military is the one that has the absolute least to do with why one should-should-not be dooming. If you want to tell me that a Ukrainian is dooming because of what's going on over there, sure. But the strength of the military really does not affect anyone's quality of life in the US or the UK alike.

And those who have the ability to escape it can and frequently do, often to places like Canada (lol) or the USA.

The UK's net migration rate per 1k is about 2.57. The US's is 2.78. The UK's was higher last year than the US's. Yeah, they're really fleeing.

At the end of this, the astute doomer might conclude that the US is also shit, everything is shit, why even try, etc etc etc. The point of all this is to point out that both countries have serious and significant problems to tackle, and yet throwing up your hands and deciding that you're just done and you're going to give up is curiously enough not a solution to any of it. Anyone living in either of the countries (or the west in general) is living a life that, by global and historical standards, is absolutely charmed when compared to their counterparts in nonwestern parts of the world. And yet there's less kvetching and whining and dooming coming out of shitfuckistan.

Lol @Rich Evans Ayypologist more like British UKayypologist amirite

 

[Johnny Eastwood cash]

Me personally I'm a stoic so I believe no matter how bad things get I should still be happy with whatever lifes gives to me. It will be stupid of me to be a doomer but also believe in stoicism sure there is alot of bad things happening but do you think this is the first time that they have ever happen. If are ancestors were able to make it through the Black Plague then we should make it through whatever happening now

 

[White Pride Worldwide]

Alright time for another round of schizo posting + philosophical rambling on the deep thought thread.

First of all, you doomers are not actually opposing the narrative or fighting against the Cathedetal. Instead you are still operating fully WITHIN THE NARRATIVE of the Cathederal, except your on the opposing losing side, like a jobber for a wrestling match.

I mentioned in an different thread that the problem I have with conspiracy theorists is that they're not that different to niggercattles in that they still believe that the government is all-powerful and all-knowing, the only diference is that the government is portrayed as malicious and evil instead of benevolent and helpful.

Second of all, you're allowing your enemies to dictate the entire battlefield. Imagine a game of soccer where instead of two goals, there's just one goal that stretches the entire field with only one name on the score board. With this retarded rules set, your team is always on the defensive trying to prevent the other team from scoring a goal, while the enemy team can just kick the ball in any direction to score. The stinger at the end is that even if you manage to somehow prevent the enemy team from scoring a single goal, you would still lose by default because there's only one name on the score board, and it isn't you.

Here's your problem, WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU AGREEING TO PLAY BY THESE RETARDED RULES IN THE FIRST PLACE? If I try challenging a professional football team to play by these rules that are clearly designed to make them lose, they would laugh and call me retard, if I insist on being serious, they would tell me to fuck off and refuse to play with these dumbass rules.

And finally, WHAT DOES WINNING EVEN LOOK LIKE FOR YOU? What are your end goals and visions for your ideal world? You can't really win if you don't even have a victory condition. Without a goal or objective, you're just a dog chasing after a speeding car. Even if you succeed, you'll just be dragged at 100 mph by the car with no clue what to do next as you hang onto the bumper.

I don't know what people were expecting from the midterms other than the "Red Wave". It's funny that a lot of people are acting like its a loss because the Red Wave didn't happen, ignoring the fact that they didn't lose entirely, they just didn't win as much as they hoped for.

I could go ramble some more but it's getting late, so I'll leave you with this.

The Right/Reactionaries/Chuds/whatever either needs to come up with and actual plan that they can coordinate together, or just take the "clear pill" and stop engaging in battles that are either unwinnable OR accomplish nothing in the long term.

There's a saying in war that it's a good idea to prevent your enemies from taking useful action while allowing all their useless actions. So if you want to stop losing, come up with a better plan or realize that the sometimes the best move you can take is to not play.

Easier said than done, it was hard to organize during the Rockwell era let alone now with how sanitized and controlled the Internet is.

 

[Gravityqueen4life]

seeing other people sad makes me happy. that site helps with that.

 

[std::string]

One thing I've noticed lately is that both sides of the "cuture war" just seem to be littered with people who are obviously unhappy on a personal level, but blame it on society in general.

Also makes them feel important.

Gotta vote Democrat to prevent the fascist takeover of the US. Gotta vote Republican to prevent troons from taking over your schools. You're the brave warrior standing up against the unstoppable force.

None of this is even real but if you've got online brain poisoning you might think it is.

 

[cybertoaster]

I see many people here who really took MAGA to heart and thought it was going to be a revolution. For me it was all theatre, the society of spectacle going at it again. As someone who lived during the clinton era, the bush years and obama I knew there was no change coming. Its all glitter and fireworks, and while the ideological craziness got turned up to 11 I only cared about the jokes because at this point I would've to be a complete idiot to fall for it again. But for many, specially zoomers, this was a huge high and they want it back, they want to believe, and people who are in one extreme tend to flip to the other really easily, in this case from believe trump was the god-emperor to thinking all is lost.

On the other hand its impossible to ignore that some parts of the country are going to shit, some literally if you have ever walked thru the turd fields that are the streets of frisco now. Of course this didn't happen overnight, you could see the rot advancing as far back as the late 80's, but reagan didn't do shit about it, neither did bush I, or clinton or bush II or obama. I remember seeing the absolute poverty of the appalachians during the bush II years and his voters didn't care because mission accomplished. Now the rot is reaching even the rich spots, some of our cities are slowly resembling the likes of sao paolo in brazil where you have ritzy skyscrapers next to shanties.

What I do is focus on myself and my family, everything else is unfortunately beyond my abilities. I did consider getting into politics when I was still a teen but I took a look at the sheer corruption involved and decided it was pointless.

 

[Friend of Dorothy Parker]

Once upon a time you had reason to believe that the vast majority of people were good and sane and that by and large, despite hitting some bumps in the road, you could believe the future would be something better than now.

And you at least had fun and exciting bread and circuses to let you forget about the troubles of the world for a while.

Now it's been revealed that far too many people are actually shitty and insane and even the bread and circuses are shit now, only serving to remind you of the many insane and evil people who are on a crusade to seek out and stamp out whatever's left that's good, decent or cool.

So what's not to doom about? Any indication that a backlash is coming to this stuff seems to sputter out, they control the institutions, the government and the media and they very purposely want it their way and they'll do anything, lie, cheat, steal, to get it.

If you don't like the way things are under Woke, there doesn't seem to be any hope anymore of being able to stop it and again, we can't even get entertainment that doesn't suck shit, escapism isn't even allowed, they wont even you let you dream big like the dude in the movie Brazil, they want absolutely control.

And under Woke we are headed to civilization ending disaster, society cannot survive under the insanity of Woke, it's antithetical to what makes civilization function, it's literally the opposite of what makes the world go around.

Again, what's not to doom about?

OK, Thomas. This was done to death 370 years ago. Edgy.

 

[Jeff_the_Thriller]

Dooming is popular here because it's a website devoted to observing the worst dregs of humanity. It's hard not to doom when you see all thid mother fucking, dog fucking, kid fucking, smurf fucking, and vacuum cleaner fucking. It's deranged and gives you no hope for humanity.

 

[Zookerton]

The reality is it feels like once you're on this website you eventually see the veil of a lot of things lifted the bread and circuses you once consumed to forget it all are no longer as effective. it's like August 2022 we have ISPs and even cloudflare running to protect people who are perpetually in a state of pain and eternal rotting due to their own actions.
They have the power to deplatform a website just because it hurt my feelings and is targeted harassment when those morons post their lives online and are terminally plugged into the internet. They have the most skeletons in the closet are are incredibly abhorrent but we're not allowed to do anything except sit and watch we can't even catalog their insanity.

You don't even have many places to go to talk about the things that cannot be spoken outside of a select few websites/fediverse instances. Most of these sites are stuck being run off of crypto donations because questioning these people are an instant exile to having no funding options. Look at how many hoops you have to jump through to fund the kiwifarms compared to any regular website that is down to shove the troonshine down your throat.

Josh has banned 2 countries from the kiwifarms in order to protect users from their own government from tracking them because we're about to hit an age where the just using the kiwifarms will lead to you being put in the gulags.

I'm probably eating blackpills like they're crack right now but it's hard to be optimistic when you're watching the west become what they fear and meme about from China.

 

[Ser Prize]

I see many people here who really took MAGA to heart and thought it was going to be a revolution. For me it was all theatre, the society of spectacle going at it again. As someone who lived during the clinton era, the bush years and obama I knew there was no change coming. Its all glitter and fireworks, and while the ideological craziness got turned up to 11 I only cared about the jokes because at this point I would've to be a complete idiot to fall for it again. But for many, specially zoomers, this was a huge high and they want it back, they want to believe, and people who are in one extreme tend to flip to the other really easily, in this case from believe trump was the god-emperor to thinking all is lost.

On the other hand its impossible to ignore that some parts of the country are going to shit, some literally if you have ever walked thru the turd fields that are the streets of frisco now. Of course this didn't happen overnight, you could see the rot advancing as far back as the late 80's, but reagan didn't do shit about it, neither did bush I, or clinton or bush II or obama. I remember seeing the absolute poverty of the appalachians during the bush II years and his voters didn't care because mission accomplished. Now the rot is reaching even the rich spots, some of our cities are slowly resembling the likes of sao paolo in brazil where you have ritzy skyscrapers next to shanties.

What I do is focus on myself and my family, everything else is unfortunately beyond my abilities. I did consider getting into politics when I was still a teen but I took a look at the sheer corruption involved and decided it was pointless.

Oh Regean did something alright. He granted amnesty, thus insuring it never recovers.

 

[std::string]

I'm probably eating blackpills like they're crack right now but it's hard to be optimistic when you're watching the west become what they fear and meme about from China.

UK wagging the finger at China for arresting people for the things they said in private online communications and banning protests despite the fact that, uh...the UK is currently doing this as well. Please pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.

The biggest blackpill is that ideology exists only as a geopolitical tool since the Cold War. The west exports modern liberal democracy abroad in the hopes that it will cause countries to align with the west. They have no commitment to it otherwise. Every generation a whole new batch of people find out about this and are surprised.

 

[Basement Dwelling Dork]

I was about to say its a another-ops tactic because of other imageboards began noticing a trend of people joining in and deliberatly posting doomer-shit. Posting constantly of demoralizing shit, bait , and typing how we should all just give up and anons began labeling them as niggerpills. But it seemed like everybody had a good proper explanation of doomer shit on here.

 

[doodoocaca]

Dooming is just low-effort faggotry, OP.