Why is Dooming so Popular on Kiwifarms? - The meta discussion

[draggs]

Yeah, but it's not the 1990s anymore and I am not a wee child who can sit around in my underwear watching Family Double Dare and eating Froot Loops and not caring at all about the carbs and sugar content, while my parents take care of all the bills and buy me more tendies, so therefore the world is fucked and every day is an endless stream of torment and agony.

I know feelsbadman

On the other hand there's independence and sex... oh yeah those are things doomers usually don't have

 

[Maurice Maine]

The last 3 years were soul crushing.

 

[Agent Abe Caprine]

Yeah, but it's not the 1990s anymore and I am not a wee child who can sit around in my underwear watching Family Double Dare and eating Froot Loops and not caring at all about the carbs and sugar content, while my parents take care of all the bills and buy me more tendies, so therefore the world is fucked and every day is an endless stream of torment and agony.

This but I was watching Ed, Edd, N Eddy and eating Coco Puffs. Still cuckoo for Coco Puffs.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

Like I thought, childish contrarian "reasons"

Medieval times? How about 1900? 1950? Those close enough to current year for you? The differences between people today and people in medieval times arent large enough to say they cant be compared anyway. Both were times of disruptive technological change and social tumult. That is how every time has been for 4000 years, it is what it is

Pedro being able to own an iphone is a significant increase in Pedro's quality of life whether you like it or not, as access to such things is so ingrained in your life that you take it for granted and think it doesn't count, you insufferable misanthrope. Let's take away your devices and be spared your bitching, find out how much it fucks around with your life

Globally doesn't count because it's globohomo? What does food supply and poverty have to do with globohomo? Absolutely nothing. This isn't free association bingo, try some logic please

No social trust? Maybe in your disappointing life. Talk about projection. I have high social trust in my neighbors and larger community and professional associations. Sorry that you're so isolated, antisocial, and not useful in your labor that you can't say the same

Grandparents had it better? Life expectancy and material quality of life is much better than it was two, three generations ago

No hope for home ownership? 34% of home buyers in 2021 were first time buyers, up from 31% in 2020

Countries have gone through drug epidemics before and recovered, China recovered from 200 years of an opioid epidemic that was way more widespread in the population than the one in America today, America recovered from one after the Civil War and another after WWI

Are there problems to be confronted and resolved yes there are always are

I don't really get why you keep saying contrarian despite you being the one in the minority, also you keep on personal attacks despite supposedly being the one with thicker skin.

Having people in different countries doing better might have been better if it wasn't due to western countries self sabotaging themselves for it to happen.

You might live in an area with high social trust, but in general it seems like most people saw a decrease (for example wide amount of racially motivated attacks towards non-blacks, or huge amount of petty crime and urban decay), especially in urban areas. Either deboonk what I said or ignore it, don't bring your personal experience as a fact.

Kinda hard to argue life expectancy and material quality of life, when Canadian old folks are being euthanised, and Euros are going to spend the winter without heating. How much time until it happens in our own countries?

Also I'd rather see a comparison to statistics before 2008, or even 2016. Definitely not compared to Corona time.

Also wtf are you on about treating a drug epidemic (and that's excluding weed addiction) as some tiny things that will simply pass.

Basically, I want you to say how things are going to be better in the next couple of decades rather than trying to argue per point that it doesn't really matter and that the WEF is saying we're on the correct path.

 

[Don't Tread on Me]

Dooming is the only solution. There is no hope to get married have kids and live a long and fulfilling life because women can just divorce you at any time, take half your money and move on to the next meal ticket. Along with your kids.

Women cannot be trusted. They are disloyal, vain, and materialistic. There is nothing noble or redeeming about them.

 

[Rich Evans Ayypologist]

I remember how, after the civil war, america just rolled over and died because things in the 1860s were worse than the 1840s. Or how after the fall of the empire, Britain became literally unlivable and ceased to be a country, or how after losing two consecutive world wars Germany simply ceased to exist and everyone there was unhappy forever. Poor Ukes are just gonna roll over after the war's done and leave their stuff all blowed up because man weren't things better in 2021, DAE remember 2021, like why even rebuild bro

"Bro globalism has fucked me over so bad"
"Bro now that globalism is receding, things cost more wtf??!?!!?!"
You can't please a moron with a soapbox

 

[L50LasPak]

Or how after the fall of the empire, Britain became literally unlivable and ceased to be a country,

I feel like this one may not be the best example.

 

[Rich Evans Ayypologist]

I feel like this one may not be the best example.

Yes, yes, the wood teeth guys are passing dumb laws about calling people trannies on the internet without a license - and we've got a bonanza of death-resultant-from-childbirth and death-resultant-from-going-to-school to make them jelly - and yet no-one's abandoning either spot to flee to based! russia or china or wherever. Turns out, life's still plenty fine in both places, relative to shitholes elsewhere. Officer, officer! Help! I'm being mildly inconvenienced!

 

[timewave0]

That’s simple — we’re all doomed.

 

[56 others]

Shit just keeps getting fucking worse, but I refuse to die before my enemies.

 

[R00T]

because believe it or not people like to be whiny bitches when things don’t go their way. it just comes off as people too obsessed about stuff they don’t control and instead of focusing on the good in their lives and the changes they can make they sit there and complain.

 

[Friend of Dorothy Parker]

There's a strong lack of perspective here. Tons of misunderstanding and conflating of (relative) anecdote or momentary trend with long-term reality (either personal or worldwide). "Why try?" is a much too common response to the vagaries and horrors of life - and too often adopted or advocated here by people who have never actually put themselves out there - once, twice, 500 times. And equally too often it's just an excuse not to.

If you go through day to day believing everyone is either stupid or evil, and life is impossible and getting worse, then you're doing it wrong - and squandering the time and gifts you have.

Cynicism is funny, unless you actually believe it.

 

[draggs]

I don't really get why you keep saying contrarian despite you being the one in the minority, also you keep on personal attacks despite supposedly being the one with thicker skin.

Having people in different countries doing better might have been better if it wasn't due to western countries self sabotaging themselves for it to happen.

You might live in an area with high social trust, but in general it seems like most people saw a decrease (for example wide amount of racially motivated attacks towards non-blacks, or huge amount of petty crime and urban decay), especially in urban areas. Either deboonk what I said or ignore it, don't bring your personal experience as a fact.

Kinda hard to argue life expectancy and material quality of life, when Canadian old folks are being euthanised, and Euros are going to spend the winter without heating. How much time until it happens in our own countries?

Also I'd rather see a comparison to statistics before 2008, or even 2016. Definitely not compared to Corona time.

Also wtf are you on about treating a drug epidemic (and that's excluding weed addiction) as some tiny things that will simply pass.

Basically, I want you to say how things are going to be better in the next couple of decades rather than trying to argue per point that it doesn't really matter and that the WEF is saying we're on the correct path.

I say contrarian because I think you're being contrary just to be contrary because you're butthurt and resentful

What self-sabotage of Western countries was done to raise the standard of living in the second and third world? May I remind you that the standard of living was also rising concurrently in the first (Western) world

You said no social trust, I said I have high social trust. This deboonks your assertion that there is no social trust. No means none. I have some. A lot, actually. That is more than none. Be more clear and precise in your rhetoric. There are many, many millions of people like me with high social trust in their lives. Billions of people actually. The world is quite large you know

Do you understand that "Canadian old folks are getting offed" and "Euros are gonna freeze (they aren't, actually)" are not actual responses? Did the 20th century not actually see a huge increase in life expectancy and material wealth because lots of people got killed young and lots of shit got destroyed in the two world wars? This is that butthurt and resentful contrarianism again. A comparison to what statistics? People live longer now than they did in 1900. Or 1950. They have more stuff and most of it is better quality. Do you really think you can keep putting up new hoops to be jumped through without weakening your pitch? Oh that's not good enough, oh that's not good enough, nope now do this, nope now do that. It doesn't make you look like you're right, it makes you look like you're childishly obdurate

I never said drug issues are tiny things that will simply pass. I implied that they will pass in time. There is nothing new under the sun, these things have all happened before, they will all happen again. Societies get into problems and get out of them. Sometimes very quickly, sometimes very slowly. It never ends

Who said it doesn't really matter? I didn't. People will solve current problems and grapple with new ones as they come because it does matter

What about the WEF? The WEF people are not sitting around saying the world is fine and on the correct path. They have a very big interest in saying it isn't, that they know the truly correct path and how to get on it. So they can maneuver more wealth and political power into their hands

How are things going to be better in the next couple of decades? Better how? By objective, independent criteria like poverty, hunger, clean water, electrification, internet access, life expectancy? Those things will all be better 2 decades from now than they are today. Better according to satisfying your opinion? I can't promise you that and I don't want to. The connection between the satisfaction of your opinion and the betterment of the human condition seems tenuous at best to me

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

I say contrarian because I think you're being contrary just to be contrary because you're butthurt and resentful

What self-sabotage of Western countries was done to raise the standard of living in the second and third world? May I remind you that the standard of living was also rising concurrently in the first (Western) world

You said no social trust, I said I have high social trust. This deboonks your assertion that there is no social trust. No means none. I have some. A lot, actually. That is more than none. Be more clear and precise in your rhetoric. There are many, many millions of people like me with high social trust in their lives. Billions of people actually. The world is quite large you know

Do you understand that "Canadian old folks are getting offed" and "Euros are gonna freeze (they aren't, actually)" are not actual responses? Did the 20th century not actually see a huge increase in life expectancy and material wealth because lots of people got killed young and lots of shit got destroyed in the two world wars? This is that butthurt and resentful contrarianism again. A comparison to what statistics? People live longer now than they did in 1900. Or 1950. They have more stuff and most of it is better quality. Do you really think you can keep putting up new hoops to be jumped through without weakening your pitch? Oh that's not good enough, oh that's not good enough, nope now do this, nope now do that. It doesn't make you look like you're right, it makes you look like you're childishly obdurate

I never said drug issues are tiny things that will simply pass. I implied that they will pass in time. There is nothing new under the sun, these things have all happened before, they will all happen again. Societies get into problems and get out of them. Sometimes very quickly, sometimes very slowly. It never ends

Who said it doesn't really matter? I didn't. People will solve current problems and grapple with new ones as they come because it does matter

What about the WEF? The WEF people are not sitting around saying the world is fine and on the correct path. They have a very big interest in saying it isn't, that they know the truly correct path and how to get on it. So they can maneuver more wealth and political power into their hands

How are things going to be better in the next couple of decades? Better how? By objective, independent criteria like poverty, hunger, clean water, electrification, internet access, life expectancy? Those things will all be better 2 decades from now than they are today. Better according to satisfying your opinion? I can't promise you that and I don't want to. The connection between the satisfaction of your opinion and the betterment of the human condition seems tenuous at best to me

You put a wall of text that can be summed as "you are wrong because", you don't delve into any cause and consequences, or actual guesses about the future, to the point I don't know if you are feigning ignorance or just literally retarded.

 

[NOT Sword Fighter Super]

I have no butt yet I  must fart.

 

[L50LasPak]

Yes, yes, the wood teeth guys are passing dumb laws about calling people trannies on the internet without a license - and we've got a bonanza of death-resultant-from-childbirth and death-resultant-from-going-to-school to make them jelly - and yet no-one's abandoning either spot to flee to based! russia or china or wherever. Turns out, life's still plenty fine in both places, relative to shitholes elsewhere. Officer, officer! Help! I'm being mildly inconvenienced!

I dunno about that. Even before the British Empire met its end as a political institution, the UK was already in steep economic and social decline. The extreme damage caused by World War 2 took decades to recover from, with the country struggling economically to regain its place well into the 1970s. The 80s brought with it a disasterous campaign of Regeanomics which resulted in much of the country's industrial sector being gutted. While the UK's industrial cities were never exactly a pleasant place to live, they've fallen into levels of crime and urban decay to rival and in many cases surpass the worst excesses of the Rust Belt in the United States. The streets are often afflicted with generational gang crime, in some cases centuries old, and are outright overflowing with drugs, particularly heroin and now fentanyl. The economic hardship has only been increased by either the existence or mishandling (depending on who you choose to ask) of Brexit, which has economically isolated the UK from Europe without removing much of the actual restrictions that the campaign originally sought to escape from.

Add on top of all of those long standing problems with the newer liberal institutions, which have refused to prosecute certain crimes committed by minority groups on the simple basis that they would appear racist. Regardless of your politics or your stance on racial integration, the United Kingdom has clearly embarked upon the wrong method of doing it. And besides, its not as if minorities in the UK have a monopoly on child rape, given the recent scandals of such high profile media figures as Jimmy Saville showing very clearly that tolerance for such actions goes all the way up to the top of the system. Just looking up "UK child grooming gangs" will give you a list of quite a few, that come in every colour of the rainbow no less. And those are only the ones that we know about.

This is contrasted by a hilariously restrictive society that seeks to regulate largely irrelevant things such as requiring a loiscience just to own a television, a law that finally, only as of a year or two ago, is looking to be repealed. Even as crime overruns the major cities due to a mix of social, economic and racial factors, the police instead choose to double down on pointless acts such as regulating the ownership of kitchen knives.

Healthcare in the United Kingdom is an absolute joke, with much of the country's disabled population living in misery and the average patient being more easily able to find the drugs they need on the street than from a doctor. Waiting lists only lengthen every single year, falling ever more short of their quotas, and COVID has of course done absolutely nothing to improve this situation. The UK's healthcare system is such a mess that even strong proponents of socialized healthcare criticize its sheer ineptitude and inability to care for its citizens.

Much of the UK's infrastructure is exceedingly dated, with idiotic things such as railway lines still mostly being laid in the gauges that they were in the Victorian Era, the country lacking both the funds and the will to actually overhaul the abysmal public transit systems surrounding major metropolitan areas. Almost every house in the UK also contains asbestos insulation or building materials due to the time period much of them were built it. There's no campaigns to tear these buildings down like in the USA because it is just simply not feasible due to the sheer number of structures and locations involved. If you think the infrastructure is outdated, it has nothing on the country's bureaucracy, which is a confusing, ancient slurry of both modern and medieval administrative and postal zones. A lot of this is due to no fault of the government and instead is the result of the country's advanced age (England is a little under one thousand years old at this point), but the lack of maintenance and the focus on silly laws rather than fruitful reform of course makes an already tough situation worse.

Militarily, the UK is also a joke, unable to even win a war with Iceland over fishing rights in the North Sea. The same North Sea the British were also cucked out of much of the oil rights to by Norway. The UK mostly exists to be a patsy to the United States of America, blindly following us into one pointless war after another. We repay that sycophantic devotion by, at least once a war, strafing their troops with friendly fire as their media impotently shakes its fist and demands justice for war crimes that the US Military laughs in the face of. The UK itself has not had a successful major military venture of its own since the Falklands War; an utterly pointless conflict over a pair of irrelevant islands against the weak and despotic banana republic of Argentina.

Overall, the United Kingdom is an abject, never-ending failure, unable to provide basic care for its citizens, unable to decide its own destiny, and unable to address any of the systemic problems plaguing the country on a constant basis. And those who have the ability to escape it can and frequently do, often to places like Canada (lol) or the USA.

Optimistic faggots in the United States of America definitely have a point when they say "Be thankful for what you have; it can always get worse."

At least we're not the UK.

 

[Ser Prize]

It's simple, man. I look at the world and wonder what there is to be optimistic about?

 

[Trump's Chosen]

Because we bully women so they stay in their container threads and we can't enjoy their natural wonderful perkiness.

 

[DeadwastePrime]

too many doomers use the site now. lighten the fuck up people. turn off the computer and go outside, touch grass, and have sex or something idk

 

[Wormy]

Dooming is the only solution. There is no hope to get married have kids and live a long and fulfilling life because women can just divorce you at any time, take half your money and move on to the next meal ticket. Along with your kids.

Women cannot be trusted. They are disloyal, vain, and materialistic. There is nothing noble or redeeming about them.

Cry moar incel. If I can make it work, you can.