Why is Dooming so Popular on Kiwifarms? - The meta discussion

[NeroRisotto]

Because to me, it's better to be pleasantly surprised than unpleasantly disappointed.

 

[capitalBBustard]

No one is saying doomers need to “fix everything.” I just find the mindset very flawed because by giving up entirely you’re giving yourself 0% chance at success in any small way as opposed to maybe 5%. Not doing anything and moping is the cuck path. No one is saying doomers must try and fix everything mass scale either. Doing small things like building a real life, trustworthy community of people to lean on in hard times is more useful than wallowing in pity and not even trying to make your lot in life slightly better than before.

Hooperfag immediately goes back to:
- strawmanning doomers
- feelgood buzzwords that mean jack shit
- projecting hooper do nothing faggotry onto others
- "bro just gib up and focus on small shit"

man, and you wonder why doomers run circles around you with that horseshit

 

[Crysocyan]

How can anybody be a Christian and not doompost? The Book of Revelation clearly spells out that the end of all things is not going to look nice. How can people still make 'progress' their religion when its 'gifts' are tranny horrorshows, modified viruses escaping labs, euthanasia chambers, jail time for shitposting on the Internet (even in private!) and so on? I'm guessing you were not one of those 'unpersoned' because they refused to be vaccinated? Worse things are yet to come.

Are you of little faith?

 

[Grey Gardens]

Repressed feelings can make a person into a miserable asshole pretty quick. This is a place where someone can say things they cannot say at work or to friends or whatever, so maybe they're dooming here so they can be awesome out in the wild.

 

[JambledUpWords]

Repressed feelings can make a person into a miserable asshole pretty quick. This is a place where someone can say things they cannot say at work or to friends or whatever, so maybe they're dooming here so they can be awesome out in the wild.

I’d like to think that, because if not, I truly wonder how some would function in the real world. I think it’s unhealthy if people just dwell on it.

 

[Jonah Hill poster]

For me, I sometimes think that doomerism goes both ways. It reminds me of a picture that was posted on this site:



To me, it represents:

1) Doomers complaining about doomerism and doing nothing to stop it from dooming

and

2) People mocking doomers about dooming, yet doing nothing to stop the Doomers from doomerism and thinking that walking away will just stop them from dooming

Most of the time, it’s like a parasitic disease that can destroy both the weak-willed and strong-willed when one attacks the causes but not the symptoms that comes with it. Pessimism and optimism have long been a thing before this site existed, and Internet philosophers do not have all the answers. The problem, though, arises when people try to force out “wrongthink” and replace it with sugarcoating groupthink that does nothing to stop the ill wills of society and pretends as if this problem is just going to be as simple as, say, blocking someone on social media or a forum.

To put it short, a little healthy “dooming” is okay, but making it a part of your life and not focusing on your own shortcomings is making you and you only suffer.

It’s no more different than people making threads about stopping the doomer mindset, yet you actively participate in places filled with Doomers and you try your hardest to not claim you are one of them.

 

[JambledUpWords]

For me, I sometimes think that doomerism goes both ways. It reminds me of a picture that was posted on this site:

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To me, it represents:

1) Doomers complaining about doomerism and doing nothing to stop it from dooming

and

2) People mocking doomers about dooming, yet doing nothing to stop the Doomers from doomerism and thinking that walking away will just stop them from dooming

Most of the time, it’s like a parasitic disease that can destroy both the weak-willed and strong-willed when one attacks the causes but not the symptoms that comes with it. Pessimism and optimism have long been a thing before this site existed, and Internet philosophers do not have all the answers. The problem, though, arises when people try to force out “wrongthink” and replace it with sugarcoating groupthink that does nothing to stop the ill wills of society and pretends as if this problem is just going to be as simple as, say, blockingbr someone on social media or a forum.

To put it short, a little healthy “dooming” is okay, but making it a part of your life and not focusing on your own shortcomings is making you and you only suffer.

It’s no more different than people making threads about stopping the doomer mindset, yet you actively participate in places filled with Doomers and you try your hardest to not claim you are one of them.

I think being more proactive is the key instead of being purely reactive. You’re right that beimg blindly optimistic and being reactionary don’t do much either though.

The absolute largest flaw I find in the doomer mindset however is that it works to demoralize you. If you think all is lost, what’s the point of even living then? If you’re upset with the way society currently is, become one less person that’s making it worse. Workout, eat decently, and participate socially in ways that can assist you later if need be. Life is tough, it sucks, but there is no need to make your own life more difficult by just moping around. A society is made up of individuals, and better individuals mean a better society to work with. The one thing people can have power over is themselves and more should remember that.

 

[Return of the Freaker]

Making the odd doompost just to vent and get stuff out of your system is one thing. Swallowing the blackpill and wallowing in doom is another

 

[draggs]

What do you think socially inept and unsuccessful misanthropes are going to feel about the state of the world lol

How much of the userbase is forever online with their cliques and off and on site hugboxing and gay opping

How many have mental and emotional problemos that manifest in alogging and weebery and all the other shit

How many are arrested development what's my age again gross caricature types

How many are generally unpleasant people

Etc

 

[Rich Evans Ayypologist]

Yeah, turns out, a bunch of people without girlfriends, without jobs, without job prospects, without hobbies, without social groups, and in general without much going on in their lives have a lot of time to spend on the internet whining about how bad everything is - as if other people are somehow clueless or oblivious to what's going on in the world today.

What crushes them, and what most explains why they continue to perpetuate their squalor by looking for heccin validation on the internet, is knowledge of the fact that other people can recognize the negative things in the world... and still find happiness and success. It's the fact that they have trepidation in trying to improve their own lives... and somehow think that other people have simply never felt that? So they'll cook up a million excuses as to why they can't take a single step, get left behind as the world moves on, and then wonder why it is that no-one wants to waste their time with a dead end... how embarrassing.

 

[NoonmanR]

Hard to keep a sunny disposition when you see, say, a 12 year old kid get so very obviously groomed and there's not a damn thing you can do to help because every community on the face of the internet seems to prefer it that way. Would i kill myself over it? No, not really, nor should you give up, but when things are so very obviously fucked and there doesn't seem to be any kind of effective pushback, or a viable solution in sight, the doomer posting just kinda happens.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

So is anyone who's anti-doomerism actually thinks things are improving or at least will improve in the future? So far it's mainly insults that seem more like projections. The argument about things only going bad online doesn't fly when our money has less value and people their jobs.

Another reason for the doom I thought of is the unceasing Propaganda. I heard someone say that the point of propaganda is to demoralise and that's pretty accurate. You can't even escape to films or video games without a nigger being inserted or some Anti Trump derangement seeping in, and that's ignoring the massive decrease in quality and releases on virtually everything.

 

[Gar For Archer]

So is anyone who's anti-doomerism actually thinks things are improving or at least will improve in the future? So far it's mainly insults that seem more like projections. The argument about things only going bad online doesn't fly when our money has less value and people their jobs.

Another reason for the doom I thought of is the unceasing Propaganda. I heard someone say that the point of propaganda is to demoralise and that's pretty accurate. You can't even escape to films or video games without a nigger being inserted or some Anti Trump derangement seeping in, and that's ignoring the massive decrease in quality and releases on virtually everything.

Improving? Hell no, we’re in for a long winter. We have a long way further to fall before things start to get better.

Going to improve in the future? Hard to say, refer back to point 1. IMO, the Trump presidency was the last gasp of prosperity that average Americans will see for the next 2-3 decades. And 2-3 decades out, it’s really hard to make any actionable predictions for how things might shake out.

The thing you have to realize though, is that the dream of never-ending growth and prosperity was always that - a dream. The reality is, the situation we currently find ourselves in is very much a product of a prosperous society where people have too much time and too little to do. Good times create weak men; weak men create hard times; hard times create strong men; and strong men create good times… that’s how the wheel of history has always turned, and that’s how it will continue to go.

If you’re depressed about the current state of the world… you’re probably justified. I personally don’t think things are going to get any better in the near term. But take care not to make the mistake of believing that just because we (the American people) are losing necessarily means our enemies (international megacorporations, China, Russia, globohomo, etc.) are winning, because a receding tide beaches all ships, and our little dinghies might fare the tumble a bit better than a megacarrier simply because there’s much less to break. Times will be tough for normal people going forward, but the American people have survived way worse. We will endure, and a new generation of strong men will be born from the hardship, because that’s just how the wheel of history turns. What will not survive are the incredibly expensive propaganda machines of the tech/media industrial complex, which are already collapsing as we speak, for the simple reason that the money required to keep the wheels spinning is running dry. In tough times, profit trumps ideology, because ideology alone will not keep your company solvent. That might seem like a bizarre concept, but that’s because most of us have only ever lived in a world where companies have basically infinite money to do whatever the fuck they want with, regardless of whether or not it will sell. However, that gravy train is coming to an end, and while it’s going to hurt for us, it’s going to hurt WAY more for them.

The current crop of ghouls running the world are also starting to reach the end of their lifespans, and the wheel of history has also hit their legacy: they have no competent protege’s, their spawn are all retarded true believers who genuinely buy into the ideology while having none of the political acumen that makes these men so dangerous. I think the whole WEF 2030 deadline was because they knew it was now or never - if it doesn’t happen before they all die out by 2030, then it will NEVER happen as planned, because they have nobody competent to carry out their legacy.

One more thing to consider is that as fucked as America might seem, we’re not measuring up against some platonic ideal of a successful nation - we’re only up against every other country in the world. And even with all of its leadership and manpower issues, the United States military is still the strongest military force in the world, by a long shot, it’s not even a competition. China’s PLA is a total paper tiger and Russia… I don’t even need to say anything about them that they haven’t shown off themselves in the last 6 months. Economically, the US is also in a better state to recover than the rest of the world, in that we at least HAVE the resources available (oil, farmland, advanced manufacturing capacity, etc.) to become more self-sufficient should the need arise.

The next couple of decades are gonna be rough, don’t get me wrong, but short of all-out nuclear war with Russia, IMO the America that comes out of it will be a much stronger nation than the America of today, which has largely grown lazy, fat and complacent.

 

[draggs]

So is anyone who's anti-doomerism actually thinks things are improving or at least will improve in the future? So far it's mainly insults that seem more like projections. The argument about things only going bad online doesn't fly when our money has less value and people their jobs.

Another reason for the doom I thought of is the unceasing Propaganda. I heard someone say that the point of propaganda is to demoralise and that's pretty accurate. You can't even escape to films or video games without a nigger being inserted or some Anti Trump derangement seeping in, and that's ignoring the massive decrease in quality and releases on virtually everything.

I could point to objective criteria like poverty and hunger decreasing, plus life expectancy, electrification and other utility infrastructure, per capita GDP, population etc. increasing globally, but you would just sullenly handwave it for some childish contrarianist "reasons" and then cry about projected insults or something else fake and gay

Doomers lack reference and perspective and really all they want is validation that how shitty they feel about themselves is reflected in the world around them. Get back to me when a third of the population is dying in a decade from the plagues and barbarian invasions and civil wars

 

[Bunny Tracks]

I could point to objective criteria like poverty and hunger decreasing, plus life expectancy, electrification and other utility infrastructure, per capita GDP etc. increasing globally, but you would just sullenly handwave it and then cry about projected insults or something else fake and gay

This.

Quality of life has never been better, and people really need to remember that. For as bad as things are, they used to be some much worse back then.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

I could point to objective criteria like poverty and hunger decreasing, plus life expectancy, electrification and other utility infrastructure, per capita GDP, population etc. increasing globally, but you would just sullenly handwave it for some childish contrarianist "reasons" and then cry about projected insults or something else fake and gay

Doomers lack reference and perspective and really all they want is validation that how shitty they feel about themselves is reflected in the world around them. Get back to me when a third of the population is dying in a decade from the plagues and barbarian invasions and civil wars

The problem is that you arbitrarily choose some point in time to compare against that is ridiculous, no one gives a fuck about how things were in the medieval times, but having at least comparable quality of life to our grandparents is not too much to ask for most people, even if there is some greater risk of disease (though with the obesity epidemic that's also debatable if we are healthier). Plus global increase is as globohomo as it gets, the question is how things are going in your own country, not that Pedro can finally own an iphone. In the end if things were really improving you wouldn't have things like no social trust, no hope for home ownership, as entire generation that does not want to work, or an opioid epidemic.

Improving? Hell no, we’re in for a long winter. We have a long way further to fall before things start to get better.

Going to improve in the future? Hard to say, refer back to point 1. IMO, the Trump presidency was the last gasp of prosperity that average Americans will see for the next 2-3 decades. And 2-3 decades out, it’s really hard to make any actionable predictions for how things might shake out.

The thing you have to realize though, is that the dream of never-ending growth and prosperity was always that - a dream. The reality is, the situation we currently find ourselves in is very much a product of a prosperous society where people have too much time and too little to do. Good times create weak men; weak men create hard times; hard times create strong men; and strong men create good times… that’s how the wheel of history has always turned, and that’s how it will continue to go.

If you’re depressed about the current state of the world… you’re probably justified. I personally don’t think things are going to get any better in the near term. But take care not to make the mistake of believing that just because we (the American people) are losing necessarily means our enemies (international megacorporations, China, Russia, globohomo, etc.) are winning, because a receding tide beaches all ships, and our little dinghies might fare the tumble a bit better than a megacarrier simply because there’s much less to break. Times will be tough for normal people going forward, but the American people have survived way worse. We will endure, and a new generation of strong men will be born from the hardship, because that’s just how the wheel of history turns. What will not survive are the incredibly expensive propaganda machines of the tech/media industrial complex, which are already collapsing as we speak, for the simple reason that the money required to keep the wheels spinning is running dry. In tough times, profit trumps ideology, because ideology alone will not keep your company solvent. That might seem like a bizarre concept, but that’s because most of us have only ever lived in a world where companies have basically infinite money to do whatever the fuck they want with, regardless of whether or not it will sell. However, that gravy train is coming to an end, and while it’s going to hurt for us, it’s going to hurt WAY more for them.

The current crop of ghouls running the world are also starting to reach the end of their lifespans, and the wheel of history has also hit their legacy: they have no competent protege’s, their spawn are all retarded true believers who genuinely buy into the ideology while having none of the political acumen that makes these men so dangerous. I think the whole WEF 2030 deadline was because they knew it was now or never - if it doesn’t happen before they all die out by 2030, then it will NEVER happen as planned, because they have nobody competent to carry out their legacy.

One more thing to consider is that as fucked as America might seem, we’re not measuring up against some platonic ideal of a successful nation - we’re only up against every other country in the world. And even with all of its leadership and manpower issues, the United States military is still the strongest military force in the world, by a long shot, it’s not even a competition. China’s PLA is a total paper tiger and Russia… I don’t even need to say anything about them that they haven’t shown off themselves in the last 6 months. Economically, the US is also in a better state to recover than the rest of the world, in that we at least HAVE the resources available (oil, farmland, advanced manufacturing capacity, etc.) to become more self-sufficient should the need arise.

The next couple of decades are gonna be rough, don’t get me wrong, but short of all-out nuclear war with Russia, IMO the America that comes out of it will be a much stronger nation than the America of today, which has largely grown lazy, fat and complacent.

I think the biggest problem for most people is what kind of people will be left once the dust settles, if we went over the line of euthanasia for mentally ill and genital mutilation for children will the next generation will even be able to function or will it be entirely comprised of sociopaths? All the rot might burn away, but in the end as humans our biggest importance is the survival and propagation of the next generations.

 

[draggs]

Like I thought, childish contrarian "reasons"

Medieval times? How about 1900? 1950? Those close enough to current year for you? The differences between people today and people in medieval times arent large enough to say they cant be compared anyway. Both were times of disruptive technological change and social tumult. That is how every time has been for 4000 years, it is what it is

Pedro being able to own an iphone is a significant increase in Pedro's quality of life whether you like it or not, as access to such things is so ingrained in your life that you take it for granted and think it doesn't count, you insufferable misanthrope. Let's take away your devices and be spared your bitching, find out how much it fucks around with your life

Globally doesn't count because it's globohomo? What does food supply and poverty have to do with globohomo? Absolutely nothing. This isn't free association bingo, try some logic please

No social trust? Maybe in your disappointing life. Talk about projection. I have high social trust in my neighbors and larger community and professional associations. Sorry that you're so isolated, antisocial, and not useful in your labor that you can't say the same

Grandparents had it better? Life expectancy and material quality of life is much better than it was two, three generations ago

No hope for home ownership? 34% of home buyers in 2021 were first time buyers, up from 31% in 2020

Countries have gone through drug epidemics before and recovered, China recovered from 200 years of an opioid epidemic that was way more widespread in the population than the one in America today, America recovered from one after the Civil War and another after WWI

Are there problems to be confronted and resolved yes there are always are

 

[George Floyd Sneed]

That all depends on what “doomer” actually means. I think it’s perfectly logical to assess a shitty situation and call it out for what it is. And to quote my nigga @ConfederateIrishman optimism without substance is cowardice. But at the end of the day, this is just a place to shitpost and laugh at lolcows. The day it becomes anything more than that to me is my last day here.

 

[Mothra1988]

It's half /pol/stormfags' fault. They took doomerism and made it into their ideology in which "acceleration" (things getting worse until the point they are intolerable) is something to look forward to because it will lead to a collapse where edgy nihilist pseudo-Nazi retards can take over (it will never happen).

I think another component is that forces to be in the media, etc. have been forcefully holding back a natural political pendulum swing. I don't think this can be done forever however. Also the idea of things being shit forever also rests on the idea that younger generations will continue buying into the bullshit as they have been since 2011 at least. That's not guaranteed either. You can try to force people to think a certain way through the schools and media, but you can only force this shit so much before it has an opposite effect at some point.

 

[Pissmaster]

Like I thought, childish contrarian "reasons"

Medieval times? How about 1900? 1950? Those close enough to current year for you? The differences between people today and people in medieval times arent large enough to say they cant be compared anyway. Both were times of disruptive technological change and social tumult. That is how every time has been for 4000 years, it is what it is

Pedro being able to own an iphone is a significant increase in Pedro's quality of life whether you like it or not, as access to such things is so ingrained in your life that you take it for granted and think it doesn't count, you insufferable misanthrope. Let's take away your devices and be spared your bitching, find out how much it fucks around with your life

Globally doesn't count because it's globohomo? What does food supply and poverty have to do with globohomo? Absolutely nothing. This isn't free association bingo, try some logic please

No social trust? Maybe in your disappointing life. Talk about projection. I have high social trust in my neighbors and larger community and professional associations. Sorry that you're so isolated, antisocial, and not useful in your labor that you can't say the same

Grandparents had it better? Life expectancy and material quality of life is much better than it was two, three generations ago

No hope for home ownership? 34% of home buyers in 2021 were first time buyers, up from 31% in 2020

Countries have gone through drug epidemics before and recovered, China recovered from 200 years of an opioid epidemic that was way more widespread in the population than the one in America today, America recovered from one after the Civil War and another after WWI

Are there problems to be confronted and resolved yes there are always are

Yeah, but it's not the 1990s anymore and I am not a wee child who can sit around in my underwear watching Family Double Dare and eating Froot Loops and not caring at all about the carbs and sugar content, while my parents take care of all the bills and buy me more tendies, so therefore the world is fucked and every day is an endless stream of torment and agony.