Disaster Why is California’s Oak Fire spreading so fast? - 3 days, 18,500+ acres, 26% containment

Officials and experts say that low humidity, high fuel load and sloping topography are creating a “perfect recipe” for extreme fire behavior at Central California’s Oak Fire. The fire exploded overnight in Mariposa County after breaking out Friday afternoon, expanding to 6,500 acres by Saturday morning. The fast-moving blaze, about an hour from Yosemite National Park, is exhibiting “extreme” fire activity, Cal Fire said in a morning incident report, and has destroyed 10 structures and threatens 2,000 more.

By Sunday morning, the fire had burned 14,281 acres.
1658703175309.png
Firefighter Justin Montgomery defends a home on Triangle Road as the Oak Fire burns in unincorporated Mariposa County, Calif., on Friday, July 22, 2022. Ethan Swope AP

Sierra National Forest spokesman Daniel Patterson said Saturday that the fire appeared to be weather and topography driven. A “whole combination of factors” led to explosive growth Friday and overnight, including dry and hot weather, and rugged terrain with an abundance of dry trees and grass. “There was some decent wind yesterday, and we’re in a 1,200-year drought,” Patterson added. “And all that is the perfect recipe for extreme fire behavior. We have been seeing this in California in recent years.”

OAK FIRE DISPLAYS UNUSUAL NIGHTTIME BEHAVIOR​

California’s blazes tend to slow overnight, when temperatures drop and humidity rises. But the Oak Fire burned actively through the night, Cal Fire said, amid poor humidity recovery and hotter than normal temperatures.
Crews working to establish containment lines must deal with steep topography that is allowing the blaze to make quick runs. Crews also have to contend with abundant sources of fuel. The area in which the fire is burning — near Jerseydale and Bootjack — has not burned since 1924, Crystal Kolden, a pyrogeographer and a professor at UC Merced, said on Friday. Kolden, who studies wildfire, added that the Oak Fire flared so quickly due to three primary factors: fuel load, heat and the very dry air due to a 108-degree day.

FIRE SPREADS IN ALL DIRECTIONS​

Daniel Swain, a climate scientist and fire expert at UCLA, wrote on social media Saturday that an “interesting and complicated” aspect of the Oak Fire’s initial explosion is that it was able to spread in every direction, both uphill and downhill. Swain attributed the phenomenon to the dry fuel load from the ongoing drought.
The fire was driven by some wind Friday, which let up into Saturday, Patterson said. But Swain said on social media that the lack of wind may not slow the blaze, which appears to be “strongly fuels and topography-dominated.”

“With (the Oak Fire), streak of relatively modest and non-destructive wildfires in CA so far this season appears to be over,” Swain wrote in a social media post. “This continues to be an intense & fast-moving fire.”

 
Última edición:
I know you're joking but for those who are unaware: Mariposa County is 75% white and majority Republican, like most of the places in California that suffer the worst from wildfires.
Mariposa County has less than 20,000 people in it. most wildfires take place in the wilderness. most rural people are white (kind of less and less true in CA but let's move on) and republican. even so, "CA wildfires mostly affect white republicans" hasn't been true for 15 years at least. Plus the mostest Republicanest part of CA that is actually inhabited by humans in a significant fashion , Orange County (pop over 3 million), is the only part of CA that still fights wildfires in a way that isn't retarded.
 
Mariposa County has less than 20,000 people in it. most wildfires take place in the wilderness. most rural people are white (kind of less and less true in CA but let's move on) and republican.
Yes.
even so, "CA wildfires mostly affect white republicans" hasn't been true for 15 years at least.
No.

https://sneed.hdnux.com/photos/01/15/10/77/20221896/3/1150x0.jpg

Note well that Orange is now a blue county.
Plus the mostest Republicanest part of CA that is actually inhabited by humans in a significant fashion , Orange County (pop over 3 million), is the only part of CA that still fights wildfires in a way that isn't retarded.
I have no idea what you're talking about.

Orange County has no logging and very little timber. Doesn't have a lot of wildland in general.

Bulldozing the shit out of brushland is effective.

That being said,

1. Two of the nastiest fires in state history, Cedar and Witch, were in neighboring San Diego, which also has a lot of Republicans.

2. Fires are fought by the state and there is no difference in skill or policy between firefighting in Modoc and firefighting in Orange.
 
Última edición:
Yes.

No.


Note well that Orange is now a blue county.

I have no idea what you're talking about.

Orange County has no logging and very little timber. Doesn't have a lot of wildland in general.

Bulldozing the shit out of brushland is effective.

That being said,

1. Two of the nastiest fires in state history, Cedar and Witch, were in neighboring San Diego, which also has a lot of Republicans.

2. Fires are fought by the state and there is no difference in skill or policy between firefighting in Modoc and firefighting in Orange.
OC is in a burn ecosystem you mongoloid
 
Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't Pine Cones release their seeds after a fire?

Like...the reason those trees are there is because of fires in the first place?
Some types of pine cones rely on fire, not all and iirc those types are not super common out west. Either way we're talking about very different kinds of fire here. In a "state of nature" you would have things like lightning causing ignition with some frequency. Since that's also most commonly in storms the growth rate of these fires will be hampered in many cases. Regardless, since no humans are running around putting the fires out you have a fairly constant low-level consumption of fuel. This keeps fires slow and small and makes it where mature trees are able to survive them without difficulty. These are the fires that trees rely on to release seeds.

Eliminate the fires and leave the fuel and it starts to accumulate. With that limit on the fires removed they are now hot enough to use the living mature trees for fuel. This yet again increases the strength and speed and you get a delightful positive feedback loop.
 
Yes.

No.


Note well that Orange is now a blue county.

I have no idea what you're talking about.

Orange County has no logging and very little timber. Doesn't have a lot of wildland in general.

Bulldozing the shit out of brushland is effective.

That being said,

1. Two of the nastiest fires in state history, Cedar and Witch, were in neighboring San Diego, which also has a lot of Republicans.

2. Fires are fought by the state and there is no difference in skill or policy between firefighting in Modoc and firefighting in Orange.
3. Everyone I know or ever talked to in USF&W firefighting has had nothing positive to say about CALFIRE. The word "incompetent" is the nicest thing they say about them.
 
2. Fires are fought by the state and there is no difference in skill or policy between firefighting in Modoc and firefighting in Orange.
  1. LA County Fire Department has their own wildland firefighters including USFS rated hand crews, wildland engines, and dozers.
  2. LACoFD enforces county-wide fuel control and defensible space ordinances
  3. Cal Fire is retarded and doing better than them is a very low bar.
 
3. Everyone I know or ever talked to in USF&W firefighting has had nothing positive to say about CALFIRE. The word "incompetent" is the nicest thing they say about them.
You mean the same CalFire (archive) who exploits prison labor only to turn around and do things like require an EMT certification convicts cannot possess? They've been trained, working for pennies on the dollar, and now as a free man they are undeserving of the work. California is shocked it is flying over the handlebars after ramming a stick in their spokes. Meanwhile literally everyone else has told them this would be the exact outcome.
 
They didn't give up, they passed legislation making it illegal. It's one thing to just stop budgeting for it, but they passed laws making it illegal to do controlled burn, dead brush removal, and the like. They want this to happen.
Basically this. They passed legislation insisting that areas be left in a natural state. Somehow missing that the natural state of California brushlands, pine barrens and such in the high summer is ON FIRE.
 
You mean the same CalFire (archive) who exploits prison labor only to turn around and do things like require an EMT certification convicts cannot possess? They've been trained, working for pennies on the dollar, and now as a free man they are undeserving of the work. California is shocked it is flying over the handlebars after ramming a stick in their spokes. Meanwhile literally everyone else has told them this would be the exact outcome.
They have to do use prison labor because no other fire service in the US wants to risk their lives for no reason anymore because CALFIRE and the state government refuses to fix their shit. For a while they were getting by with flying in Canadian or Aussie fire teams, but that's getting tougher now that they've burned up the goodwill they had helping in those countries with their fires.

I heard from guys who worked on the first Paradise fire, after getting home, how it was going to happen again, and soon because of how badly California does things. Didn't take long.

Meanwhile, these same firefighters spend their off-seasons down in Florida fighting the annual everglades fires, which are usually massive and rarely end up within sight of a town because of the huge effort put in, and they're glad to do it because it's not a wasted effort.

They haven't really let a fire burn in this area since the 1920s. They are screwed.
 
They have to do use prison labor because no other fire service in the US wants to risk their lives for no reason anymore because CALFIRE and the state government refuses to fix their shit. For a while they were getting by with flying in Canadian or Aussie fire teams, but that's getting tougher now that they've burned up the goodwill they had helping in those countries with their fires.
There are several fire dozer/heavy equipment contractors that will not work for Cal Fire anymore. A couple of them will still go to California, but only if USFS is running the show.
 
Is this related to the fire fruits that they bought from Australia that after 100 years ripen up and start burning to spread
 
Atrás
Top Abajo