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Guy in a discord I'm in is complaining that Purge the Foe is overpowered. He played disruption guard and I guess ended up fighting emperor's children and apparently couldn't do much.
I'm not saying I want to see an Ork play kickball with a kid's head, but I am saying that kids, at least from what I've read, tend to be kind of ignored in Warhammer 40k. I do think there are a few novels where it does happen, mind you, but I can't really think of any off the top of my head.
There actually is in one novel. When Wayne Loykin of the first and only. Is getting in position to blow some. Commanders face off with his long glass. He finds a bunch of children in a family nailed to the wall.
The problem is you're gonna get a bunch of hobby tours complaining that. Chaos actually is nuanced, even though it's it's really not.
And also that's kind of just unnecessary and would be more for shock value. Unless it actually plays into the overall. Character. As you could see A group of men coming home to seeing all the women and young girls slaughtered, so they joined the Imperial Guard type story.
Honestly, I feel like the weakest thing about most Warhammer novels with regards to the Xenos and Chaos is that we never see any real harm come to kids that I can think of. I kind of get why, but there's a reason shit like this hits so hard.
I'm not saying I want to see an Ork play kickball with a kid's head, but I am saying that kids, at least from what I've read, tend to be kind of ignored in Warhammer 40k. I do think there are a few novels where it does happen, mind you, but I can't really think of any off the top of my head.
i think in Sons of Dorn which a novel about the Crimson Fists' defence of Rynn's world there is a part where a sternguard SM who has been fighting guerilla against orks with the local PDF has to execute some younger girls or women before they're cooked alive by orks on a pyre, its not explicit, but the implication is there
A tau chick gets cocky, disobey's orders and ends up getting maimed and permantly demoted for her trouble. I like how it showcased the average Tau's humanity and how sheltered the Fire Caste grunts really are. (They have no idea the Kroot eat people and are shocked by the brutality of their own leaders.)
Consecrated Ground by Steven B Fisher
A very nice surprise. This is following the same BT protagonists from before Broken Crusade as they are requested by an imperial gov of a hive world (that they are owed a favor to) to cleanse a local cult. confusion reigns as the cult refuses to fight them.
The black Templars in this show an incredable degree of compassion and humanity when they realize what's really going on. And its always great to see SM's think for themselves, completely drop their faulty orders and save the day for humanity. Just pure wholesome smiting all around.
It was also pretty cute to have them buddy up with the local government enforcers and have them ride or die with the BT's .
Honestly, I feel like the weakest thing about most Warhammer novels with regards to the Xenos and Chaos is that we never see any real harm come to kids that I can think of. I kind of get why, but there's a reason shit like this hits so hard.
I'm not saying I want to see an Ork play kickball with a kid's head, but I am saying that kids, at least from what I've read, tend to be kind of ignored in Warhammer 40k. I do think there are a few novels where it does happen, mind you, but I can't really think of any off the top of my head.
Warriors of Ultramar a miner on an outlying world watches nids kill and eat his entire family including kids (and all his neighbors) because they chose to not obey the evacuation requests because 'they're just xenos we can defend our town just fine'.
The other two are chaos possessed pskyer kids, One in Eisenhorn that has to be shot by the MC after he is "saved" by a space marine and kills him for it. and the other was in one of the Ciaphias Cain Books. Cain by sheer willpower alone manages to shoot him dead after he tries to corrupt him. I fucking cheered.
With how brutally graphic a lot of the books can be, I'm fine not having to read about certain topics. I dont need to read about rape to know that it happens, nor do I need to read about children being slaughtered. I can extrapolate without making my spaceman books uncomfortable.
With how brutally graphic a lot of the books can be, I'm fine not having to read about certain topics. I dont need to read about rape to know that it happens, nor do I need to read about children being slaughtered. I can extrapolate without making my spaceman books uncomfortable.
I agree like I said I don't need to see it, and I haven't read a lot of the books that feature stuff like that even if it's mentioned in passing. I was just saying that from what I have read it feels like it's something that's not really touched on.
I get why it isn't, and I have no desire to see anything graphic with regard to children or women or anything like that.
The black Templars in this show an incredable degree of compassion and humanity when they realize what's really going on. And its always great to see SM's think for themselves, completely drop their faulty orders and save the day for humanity. Just pure wholesome smiting all around.
The other two are chaos possessed pskyer kids, One in Eisenhorn that has to be shot by the MC after he is "saved" by a space marine and kills him for it. and the other was in one of the Ciaphias Cain Books. Cain by sheer willpower alone manages to shoot him dead after he tries to corrupt him. I fucking cheered.
With how the franchise is getting into safe-edgy territory, these topics will be touched on less and less.
Wasn't there a bunch of books with a psyker kid protagonist, back when GW attempted to be kid-friendly to achieve more sales?
There's a little girl who showed up in the first Vaults of Terra novel that gets nerve gassed in the second along with the menial staff at the Inquisitor's stronghold and it does a great job at selling how miserable the decision to nerve gas their own staff is, because the other choice was everyone getting killed by a private army that had invaded the structure.
But I'm glad its rare since you can always just assume any time a large crowd gets pulzerized that a bunch of women/children are included.
No real need to oversell the grimdark imo. Sometimes the shock value adds narrative weight though.
There is a difference between something truly awful being used for a cheap gasp and to showcase how fucked things are. The former is The Boys comic. The latter is Berserk's Eclipse in its entirety or really just Berserk.
Key is to actually treat these things as what they are rather than a cheap joke or juvenile attempt to get a rise out of people for the sake of it.
These guys might be liberal for BT's because the captain and chaplain have been around the block for a couple hundred years.
They realize the cult they were requested to kill were loyal emperor worshipers and that the Governor has been corrupted. The second they realize something's wrong, they immediately cease fire and tend to everybody. There's a lot of righteous anger and some legit mourning after realizing what happened. On the flip side: They ferment a civilian revolution (that probably gets a lot of people killed) and the planet needs to give them a tithe from now on, but the way everybody worships the ground they walk on, it sounds like they did the hive planet a huge favor.
There is a difference between something truly awful being used for a cheap gasp and to showcase how fucked things are. The former is The Boys comic. The latter is Berserk's Eclipse in its entirety or really just Berserk.
Key is to actually treat these things as what they are rather than a cheap joke or juvenile attempt to get a rise out of people for the sake of it.
Agreed it's presentation. Sometimes you just can't get something across without a bit of shock and awe (I thought Hive had a few good bits of it) but I'm glad they don't go for it all the time.
Imagine if every novel had to stop and pause for baby eating to try and sell you that the grim darkness is both grim and dark.
See, that doesn't really work because there's almost no plausible reason for it happening. That's one way to separate schlock from actual grim and grittiness. Would you buy chaos space marines and cultists killing children? Yes, but to an extent. It's why the example I posted above worked rather than being edgy for edgy's sake: Uralon knew he couldn't break the guardsmen but their kids saw their parents willing to let them die over surrender besides the possible chaos indoctrination. It had a purpose, it was something you could see happening, and more important something someone like that would do if possible or if they had to.
The only people I could see eating a baby are some really fucked up nobles on some backwards world or Slaanesh cultists.
From what I understood the books were way darker and more lore accurate than people expected, so the grifters ignored them and moved to the next targets.
