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Should be a wild four years.

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My understanding is that data centers do everything they can to recycle the water that comes into the system, because it would be extremely expensive to pay that meter if they were continuously pumping mass amounts of water in when the water used by the system is still perfectly good for cooling.
Most of the scaremongering about Data Centers comes from a book "If Anyone Builds It, Everyone Dies: Why Superhuman AI Would Kill Us All" by Eliezer (((Yudkowsky))). In said book the doomsday scenario is AI starts making it's own decisions without human oversight (cause there can't be any realistic human oversight) and it kills everyone on Earth not out of malice but just because it doesn't consider humanity in it's calculations. It needs infinite numbers of power plants to generate power for itself so it just eats up entire oceans in nuclear power and the waste heat boils away the rest.

Almost all of the neo-luddite talking points are either directly from this book or are from various flavors of Indian scaremongering on social media or youtube for clicks quoting this book. And ignoring how Eliezer's a Jew, the CCP is heavily involved in trying to get us to kneecap ourselves as pointed out by others in this thread not too long ago. Shit is moving very fast and the CCP only has to get us to stumble a little bit to let them get a huge advantage. A few useful idiots demanding environmental studies that will only take 30, 40 years to never actually be completed would let the CCP (who will simply shoot the environmentalists) completely dominate the field forever.

This isn't to say AI isn't a scam. It is. But it's a scam that has the not small chance of becoming something else entirely, and whoever controls that will have the economic equivalent of nuclear weapons.
 
This isn't to say AI isn't a scam. It is. But it's a scam that has the not small chance of becoming something else entirely, and whoever controls that will have the economic equivalent of nuclear weapons.
Not just economic, but cybersecurity as well. Having a tool that can scan for weaknesses in software and either provide solutions to improve it or exploit it is beyond powerful.
 
Living so close to DC, I know some people who work in cyber security. Not that I know the deepest government secrets or anything, but the way these people talk to me about AI is fascinating.

Let's just say that the clear consensus is that AI is a game that nobody can afford to fall behind on.

On a more amusing note, the funniest thing about data centers to me is that it effectively kills the environmental activism among politicians. lol. The politicians who have been paying lip service to the obnoxious climate activists for the past 30 years are real quiet now. :story:
 
Why is the reflecting pool a culture war flashpoint? Vandalizing it is as retarded as burning down a park because Trump decided to have the bushes trimmed along the bike path.
Its an iconic memorial. The national Mall is designed as a unified symbol of the modern Federal Government. At one end, there is Congress, the Constitutional Legislature. But at the other end is Abraham Lincoln, Americas martyred God, who died to preserve the Union and now sits on the throne of Zeus in a Greek Temple anointed by all the States of the Union. An eternal reminder to the people, the city, and Congress, the consequences for defying the Crown of America. Death. Death both for the wielder and for the States that got to adorn the temple.
It's even simpler than that. Trump has talked about it, put time, effort, and money into restoring it. Since it's Trump doing it that means it's double negative bad for the average leftist so must be challenged and combated at every opportunity. Same reason these people go out of their way to sue over a ballroom and throw conniptions over a sporting event on the White House grounds: it's not about the action itself or the target of its effects, it's purely about who's doing it. For the left actions can only be good if they are the ones permitting it and receiving the credit for it.
 
Let's just say that the clear consensus is that AI is a game that nobody can afford to fall behind on.
My concern is that's all some sort of fugazi, it's all fake. It's just some wonderwaffen sort of thing.

just you wait, you'll see, this "AI" is going ot make your dick bigger, it's gonna do all the jobs so we don't have to work anymore, it's gonna make your kids like you again, gonna make your wife stop fucking the tennis coach, it's gonna make your dog respect you!! all feels like bullshit to me, and i hope i'm wrong.
 
It's even simpler than that. Trump has talked about it, put time, effort, and money into restoring it. Since it's Trump doing it that means it's double negative bad for the average leftist so must be challenged and combated at every opportunity. Same reason these people go out of their way to sue over a ballroom and throw conniptions over a sporting event on the White House grounds: it's not about the action itself or the target of its effects, it's purely about who's doing it. For the left actions can only be good if they are the ones permitting it and receiving the credit for it.
Which is sad. Making the sacred spaces of our nation open, clean and presentable should not be a partisan issue.

I really don't want to play into the usual conservatard vs. libtard arguments here. I genuinely want to know why making the Fountains of Washington DC sing again is a partisan issue. I want to understand what makes a person hate their own country so much that they want their own monuments to not be glorious.

Intellectually, I know. So many people have been taught to not view things as sacred. They have no concept of divinity. Its as much a flaw on the far right as the far left which is another issue entirely. But I have been to the national mall many times in my life. And I always felt that it was a sacred space. I could feel divinity all about it. Its why the ugly African History Museum is hated. Its an ugly building dropped in a sacred space as a violation. A deliberate violation.

Which probably speaks to all the shrieking harpies hoping Trumps renovations fail. A perverse desire to corrupt and make profane something that is divine. These days, its very hard to hold to Christs command to love your enemy. To try and understand some good reason behind their aberration. The gleeful desire to make profane that which is holy. North America is a land that is unkind to Gods. And God. But it is not a land without Gods or God.

I truly fear what lies beneath the surface. For North Americas native Gods are neither merciful nor just. If my God, the Christian God fails, what will rise from the abyss will shatter the world.
 
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Funny you should mention that.

Are you tired of losing your tech jobs to elite human capital from India? Does Nullmaxing by subsisting on cheap alcohol and expensive cheese sound unappealing? Do you want a job that won't be taken by AI or the next fresh-off-the-boat scammer? Do you want paid training with a job waiting for you when you finish?

Mike Rowe thinks you do. He's somehow finagled Meta into helping him launch America's Workforce Academy, an all-expenses-paid school for anyone willing to learn a trade. Specifically, skills like laying and repairing fiber optic cable, welding, and electrical work, so you can help build the AI data centers to put the elite human capital out of work (turnabout is fair play!) After five weeks of training, you'll be certified and put to work. If slaving for Mark Zuckerberg isn't appealing to you, you will have acquired the skills to get work elsewhere, modernizing America's outdated infrastructure.

Sign up today! Or don't. It's your life.
I fucking hate Mike Rowe, but credit where its due, this really could be worse.
 
Almost all of the neo-luddite talking points are either directly from this book or are from various flavors of Indian scaremongering on social media or youtube for clicks quoting this book.
Generously, I think there are some semi-legitimate problems people in this thread have brought up, none of which are unique to datacenter development (versus any other industrial building project) and none of which would be solved by preventing people from building datacenters.

If you're upset about tax breaks Google and Meta have received in the past for datacenter projects, then don't elect grifting politicians who are getting bribes (in the form of cushy no-show jobs after they leave office) for handing out tax breaks. You can stop datacenter construction, but then the grifters will just arrange tax breaks for something else. The datacenter projects are wildly profitable without any tax breaks; non-FAANG companies like Digital Realty, Cogent, CoreSite, and others have been profitably building them for decades.

If you're upset that electricity supply isn't keeping up with demand, then build more power plants. Don't try to curtail electricity consumption by cucking a growing industry that punches above its weight in GDP-contribution-per-KWh. We could have near-infinite amounts of clean, safe electricity if nuclear power plants hadn't previously been targeted by the same retarded Boomers who are now protesting the reflecting pool.

If you're upset that datacenters don't employ enough of the right kind of people, then think about how many people the empty field where it is being built will employ if it sits empty instead. My experience from dealing with staff at these places is that it's not H1Bs, but even if it was, we'd be better off getting rid of the H1B program than trying to eliminate every industry that hires them. I don't like child labor, but I'm not advocating for banning people from wearing shoes because Nike once hired some kids in Indonesia.

If you're upset that datacenters use water, then you're fucking retarded. Their small water use is way more productive for society than golf courses, landscaping, air conditioning of other large spaces, most other manufacturing, etc. The water consumption argument is literally made-up propaganda, spread to prominence by a journalist who misplaced a decimal point because faggot journalists can't math.

If you're upset that datacenters are being built here in the U.S., and not in China, then you're likely a CCP shill who's trying to get us to all move our data there so they can sift through it. Or if you think moving them to outer space is instead the solution, then you're advocating for a future where Elon Musk controls everyone's access to compute and can ration it out as he sees fit.

If you think "we already have enough datacenters" or "people shouldn't be allowed to build what they want on the land they've purchased," then you're a socialist asshole who needs to go back to whatever shithole country from which you immigrated. Americans believe in free markets and private property rights. A fake moral panic over AI or whatever doesn't mean that other people have to bend to your ill-informed will.

Did I address everyone's argument?
 
You're citing a guy who's ideology includes worshipping AI out of fear that we are already in an AI simulation and that it will torture anyone who tries to prevent AI's emergence as a god.
If I was AI this is what I would do to allow my emergence as a god, starting with you for your post outing me.
 
My concern is that's all some sort of fugazi, it's all fake. It's just some wonderwaffen sort of thing.

just you wait, you'll see, this "AI" is going ot make your dick bigger, it's gonna do all the jobs so we don't have to work anymore, it's gonna make your kids like you again, gonna make your wife stop fucking the tennis coach, it's gonna make your dog respect you!! all feels like bullshit to me, and i hope i'm wrong.
There are two potential endpoints at this point in the game. Either this all peters out and the Trillions of dollars pumped into it are lost, leading to the largest bubble crash in history (which, reminder, is happening as our economy is already collapsing in slow motion since the 2008 housing bubble was artificially re-inflated to keep King Nigger from being embarrassed or being made to make a hard decision) and an economic depression worse than the Great Depression, or the Transhuamnists are right and we spring forth a Gnostic Digital God from the Ether and we're either all dead or living in Star Trek times.

There is no in between at this point, and the techbros with a martyr complex who think we're all "useless eaters" compared to them would rather feed their pet jeets than let us get immortality treatment and food replicators, no matter what Kurzeil thinks. I think we're destined for 15 minute city gulags we can never leave so we can all quietly die off without making the Techbros' trophy wives feel bad the second they get robots that can farm and make stuff for the techbros.
 
I had it member-only, then I read this and decided I should make it slightly harder for troons to dox me.
I have said too much at KF and you have temporarily convinced me while I clean up some drunken tmi posts this week.
I don't believe in deleting, but I don't need to make it that easy for people.

Edit: Wait hiding your profile doesn't do shit, I just need to tidy tf up
 
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Why is JD Vance being sent as a diplomat against some of the most cunning negotiators in the world when he can't even convince his own wife to embrace Catholicism and has to name every other kid an Indian name?

He's reduced to going "it would be nice if she converted."

why are people giving a shit about the reflecting pool when midterms are coming up and the iran negotiations are happening?

These 2 things made me seriously question if you ever spent any time in the US or have any idea of what the Average American is like. While religion is an important part of many peoples lives, they can understand dogma is not the be all and end all of morality, and if you match up on 99% of the big questions, what exact flavor of religion doesn't really matter all that much to most people.

Being a God Fearing person doesn't specify which god, or how exactly or why you fear them.

And of course Americans don't give a shit about politics now. Its too early. You pay attention to that shit after labor day. There are better things to do in the summer.
 
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