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And this is part of why the chapter was a bit of a letdown to me. I wasn't expecting HUGE revelations, but i was expecting something new, that brought more to ponder on what we already have of the characters. And the lack of any of that makes the story feel even more weightless when it comes to it's stakes. Again, what has been said about stuff like the antagonists King, Queen and Tenna being "le misunderstood", and even how Berdly being too a-ok with Susie going out with Noelle and Kris thirdwheeling, despite declaring interest on going with all of them, and etc. It's part of why i really like the Evil Susie theory as it brings a bigger conflict to the story that isn't just "we gotta stop the Knight!".
Even if "Evil Susie" ends up being correct (though I consider it a given that Susie will never be evil, more like an unwilling antagonist that may become willing out of desperation) it still wouldn't retroactively fix chapter 5. This chapter should have really shown us scenes of the good times between the Dreemurs and the Holidays and not showing anything was a gigantic wasted opportunity.
That Dess is at the CORE of the story and we barely know fuck all of her is a huge problem from a narrative standpoint. I can't care about her if I don't know her and the later I meet her the less invested I'll be, doubly so if she's the knight. Would have also been a great way to fuck with speculation by showing Rudy using a bat for example and teaching Dess and the rest how to use it and other tidbits like that to muddle more the Knight's identity.
Somebody already suggested that the flowers should have just mirrored the Dreemurs and Holidays and they could have reenacted flashbacks of both families to integrate it into the dark world and let Susie and the player in on it in an organic way.
Of course, that's if we're considering the idea that Kris is working to sacrifice himself in service of protecting his hometown and fulfill the final act of the prophecy. Or, if we're considering the idea that the prophecy has already happened "The Girl" being Dess and all this Roaring Knight shit is an attempt to undo the end of the prophecy where The Girl gets banished to the Gaster Zone but that's even more baseless speculation, it'll allow Kris to find a new way to subvert the end and bring his friend back.
I had his personal schizo theory for a while that Kris IS Chara in a way, except he keeps resetting the world, trying to somehow prevent the catastrophic roaring from happening, but the resets are not that neat and easy and may actually reset years of his life every shot. It would certainly explain why he was such a jaded little shit. Why fucking bother, going it through again and again when he is going to die in pain and the world will end, only to reset and see if picking a different dialogue option will work this time. It leaves to be decided if Gaster and the Soul are benevolent or have their own agendas related to it, But with the weird route fuckery this episode, it really makes me feel that this was not the first time happening and there's a bunch of cosmic ruleslawyers trying to break the prophecy somehow
Speaking of the CORE, and now we're getting potentially more involvement from Gaster, who both created and apparently fell into the core, I just want to bring the symbol that you see almost immediately upon entering the core in Undertale to attention.
Of course I know the Delta Rune exists in UT lore, but I just feel like it's worth mentioning considering everything else that's going on.
Going with this theory, that there's some sort of simulation in the CORE that somehow generates the energy that powers the underground in UT, then it may well be the case that "Suzy" also fell into the core.
What doesn't make as much sense is Sans in this case clearly having some level of relation to his UT self, unless you also go with the time loop theory, and Sans managed to escape from the CORE simulation. I don't really like Simulation Theory much, though.
But if I had to schiz out a unified theory for this and a bunch of other schizophrenia that has been posted, then I guess it'd go something like
- Gaster makes the core
- Gaster trips and falls into his own creation
- For some reason, he can't leave
- Sans does ??? (i fucking hate this asshole, self-aware NPC who escapes? But then why is Grillbys (albeit with a changed sign) there?) (Maybe he was designed as something like a monitoring program?)
- An iteration of Sans escapes, becoming the UT Sans
- Time Resets
- Flowey ends up going in, too, becoming Ralsei?
- At some point after everyone else has left the Underground, "Suzy" somehow trips and falls into the CORE?
Yeah, there's a whole lot of reaching going on here, hopefully it doesn't come to this.
Speaking of the CORE, and now we're getting potentially more involvement from Gaster, who both created and apparently fell into the core, I just want to bring the symbol that you see almost immediately upon entering the core in Undertale to attention. Ver archivo adjunto 9230812
Of course I know the Delta Rune exists in UT lore, but I just feel like it's worth mentioning considering everything else that's going on.
Going with this theory, that there's some sort of simulation in the CORE that somehow generates the energy that powers the underground in UT, then it may well be the case that "Suzy" also fell into the core.
What doesn't make as much sense is Sans in this case clearly having some level of relation to his UT self, unless you also go with the time loop theory, and Sans managed to escape from the CORE simulation. I don't really like Simulation Theory much, though.
But if I had to schiz out a unified theory for this and a bunch of other schizophrenia that has been posted, then I guess it'd go something like
- Gaster makes the core
- Gaster trips and falls into his own creation
- For some reason, he can't leave
- Sans does ??? (i fucking hate this asshole, self-aware NPC who escapes? But then why is Grillbys (albeit with a changed sign) there?) (Maybe he was designed as something like a monitoring program?)
- An iteration of Sans escapes, becoming the UT Sans
- Time Resets
- Flowey ends up going in, too, becoming Ralsei?
- At some point after everyone else has left the Underground, "Suzy" somehow trips and falls into the CORE?
Yeah, there's a whole lot of reaching going on here, hopefully it doesn't come to this.
I think what makes it hard to connect it to Undertale is that whether it is a prequel or a sequel, you would have to have a scenario that for some reason deletes the entirety of the Holiday family whom are very important to Deltarune.
False, actually.
IIRC in the scrapped Alarm Clock text, Asgore has text talking about Rudy (who died), and in the 10th Anniversary Stream version of the game, look who showed up:
They just don't show up in UT proper, but they are around. Well Rudy isn't, but you know.
Someone sponsored the thread and while it is a nice meme ( ) I want to tell you people to shut the fuck up: I am fucking sick of seeing deltarune fucking everywhere for a fucking decade and absolutely fuck all is going on, just thounds of people losing their minds over furries. Not even that appealing looking furries, like the leftovers on a bootleg toy shelf furries. I've seen other designs from the game that are appealing, but no, everyone wants to fuck a TV Head or just draw the female barney the big purple dinosaur or any of the more half baked autism over and over. I'm sick of it. And then you faggots advertise here because your fandom doesn't have enough memes on your other social media? The only types of accounts that don't show me underdelta are the boomers and normies who post once every 20 years because they too were drowned out by the flood of talerune. I've seen some of the story and I just don't get thr fucking appeal. It's like handing a woman who likes to knit a football soley based on her liking doing things with her hands, that's how lost I am.
What do I expect you guys to do about this? Fucking nothing. I am just MATI and can only voice it here. If I post anything about how much I hate seeing all this shit around me on Tw*tt*r or other S*cial M*dia I'd get 20somethings with pride flag avatars trying to dox my house and send me bombs in the mail. You people are gay and enjoying yourselves, which means you're doing nothing wrong. I just need to get it off my chest how fucking tired I am of seeing Rasriel or whatever the fuck his name is's stupid :3 face I am just so goddam fucking tired
If I see someone with Deltarune or Undertale merchandise IRL over the age of 17, I'm calling ICE to deport you. Fucking hell.
I know it's a vain hope, but I hope that at some point someone explains how can humies and monsters co-exist, when the former dying can result into the nearest monster absorbing his soul, then starting a snowball of escalation and death.
In others news, remember that there was a hack for Mother 3 where you played as the bad guys? It was rather clumsy as the engine can't do much, but now, here's another try!
I know it's a vain hope, but I hope that at some point someone explains how can humies and monsters co-exist, when the former dying can result into the nearest monster absorbing his soul, then starting a snowball of escalation and death.
In others news, remember that there was a hack for Mother 3 where you played as the bad guys? It was rather clumsy as the engine can't do much, but now, here's another try!
The answer is "who fucking knows but lets hope for the best"
Also Gerson made it clear that there were certified monsterfuckers in the past I dunno why he needed to make that clear.
You know, the 10th anniversary stream of Undertale had this enemy called Abberant, which is a zombie ant that blindly worships dogs and believes all sorts of wild claims (like this stream being a tease for new content), meaning you need to spare it by destroying the hair that's creating this delusions. Even winning the battle by sparing it and killing Mr. Sunshine, means you are an abberant yourself. Even attacks with the Annoying Dog in a knight helm it created.
...clearly, these people are what that enemy was referencing.
People are also forgetting that the entire thing about The Knight having some kind of secret identity could also be a complete red herring.
I could 100% Toby pulling some shit like "What?! You thought The Knight was somebody you knew? Lmao fucking retard, The Knight is nobody you dumbfuck!" and you might say, but Bob! That would be retarded! Yes, yes it would be. He'd still do it.
) I want to tell you people to shut the fuck up: I am fucking sick of seeing deltarune fucking everywhere for a fucking decade and absolutely fuck all is going on, just thounds of people losing their minds over furries. Not even that appealing looking furries, like the leftovers on a bootleg toy shelf furries. I've seen other designs from the game that are appealing, but no, everyone wants to fuck a TV Head or just draw the female barney the big purple dinosaur or any of the more half baked autism over and over. I'm sick of it. And then you faggots advertise here because your fandom doesn't have enough memes on your other social media? The only types of accounts that don't show me underdelta are the boomers and normies who post once every 20 years because they too were drowned out by the flood of talerune. I've seen some of the story and I just don't get thr fucking appeal. It's like handing a woman who likes to knit a football soley based on her liking doing things with her hands, that's how lost I am.
