Undertale / Deltarune / Toby Fox Discussion

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The spergout is completely understandable. Undertale/Deltarune is a fucking meme virus everywhere on the Internet that's just as bad if not worse than its predecessor homestuck.
I get where this mentality comes from but at the same time, the industry has become so fucking garbage that I can't help but find it endearing.

I can't name a videogame in the last 10-15 years that got me so interested in it.
 
That's clearly the Holiday's preferred means of operating anyway.
Dess used to Amino groom Kris, but Noelle preferred the more direct approach
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Dess used to Amino groom Kris, but Noelle preferred the more direct approach
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So Asgore's trucking attempt will be justified, then?
The reveal for chapter 6 will be that the Holiday family, despite being reindeers, having a Christmas theme in their home and Christmas related names, they actually hate Christmas due to being sick of it. Gasp!
 
Someone sponsored the thread and while it is a nice meme ( :wow: ) I want to tell you people to shut the fuck up: I am fucking sick of seeing deltarune fucking everywhere for a fucking decade and absolutely fuck all is going on, just thounds of people losing their minds over furries. Not even that appealing looking furries, like the leftovers on a bootleg toy shelf furries. I've seen other designs from the game that are appealing, but no, everyone wants to fuck a TV Head or just draw the female barney the big purple dinosaur or any of the more half baked autism over and over. I'm sick of it. And then you faggots advertise here because your fandom doesn't have enough memes on your other social media? The only types of accounts that don't show me underdelta are the boomers and normies who post once every 20 years because they too were drowned out by the flood of talerune. I've seen some of the story and I just don't get thr fucking appeal. It's like handing a woman who likes to knit a football soley based on her liking doing things with her hands, that's how lost I am.


What do I expect you guys to do about this? Fucking nothing. I am just MATI and can only voice it here. If I post anything about how much I hate seeing all this shit around me on Tw*tt*r or other S*cial M*dia I'd get 20somethings with pride flag avatars trying to dox my house and send me bombs in the mail. You people are gay and enjoying yourselves, which means you're doing nothing wrong. I just need to get it off my chest how fucking tired I am of seeing Rasriel or whatever the fuck his name is's stupid :3 face I am just so goddam fucking tired


If I see someone with Deltarune or Undertale merchandise IRL over the age of 17, I'm calling ICE to deport you. Fucking hell.
They hated him because he spoke the truth
 
Someone sponsored the thread and while it is a nice meme ( :wow: ) I want to tell you people to shut the fuck up: I am fucking sick of seeing deltarune fucking everywhere for a fucking decade and absolutely fuck all is going on, just thounds of people losing their minds over furries. Not even that appealing looking furries, like the leftovers on a bootleg toy shelf furries. I've seen other designs from the game that are appealing, but no, everyone wants to fuck a TV Head or just draw the female barney the big purple dinosaur or any of the more half baked autism over and over. I'm sick of it. And then you faggots advertise here because your fandom doesn't have enough memes on your other social media? The only types of accounts that don't show me underdelta are the boomers and normies who post once every 20 years because they too were drowned out by the flood of talerune. I've seen some of the story and I just don't get thr fucking appeal. It's like handing a woman who likes to knit a football soley based on her liking doing things with her hands, that's how lost I am.


What do I expect you guys to do about this? Fucking nothing. I am just MATI and can only voice it here. If I post anything about how much I hate seeing all this shit around me on Tw*tt*r or other S*cial M*dia I'd get 20somethings with pride flag avatars trying to dox my house and send me bombs in the mail. You people are gay and enjoying yourselves, which means you're doing nothing wrong. I just need to get it off my chest how fucking tired I am of seeing Rasriel or whatever the fuck his name is's stupid :3 face I am just so goddam fucking tired


If I see someone with Deltarune or Undertale merchandise IRL over the age of 17, I'm calling ICE to deport you. Fucking hell.
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Started looking through the ARG again using the lens that Spamton is a Gaster Glowy who ended up losing his contact after fulfilling his purpose.
It all comes back to my nigga Spamtong
I barely ever receive fan mail (no pressure guys XD), but just in case I ever get an email from anyone out there, I have this habit of always reading my spam mail, just in case it's someone real.


Mostly it's just weird stuff like "hochi mamas can get big too" (promise I wasn't looking at any weird sites guys... mmkay? XD)
Spamton saying that Noelle could be a Big Shot too I guess.
But one day, one of the spams I got was nothing but random letters and numbers.


I figured it was probably a failed attempt at sending me a virus, but I thought... what if I tried putting it into Cat Petterz 2 as a mod?


So I did. And weirdly enough, it actually managed to load.
Noelle is fucking unhinged. Who the fuck gets a random nonsense spew of characters in an email and goes "I'll use this as a game mod!"
The file in question turned out to be Spamton sending Noelle a pipis as thanks for always reading his spam, and then it endlessly duplicated and fucked up her save file. Who the fuck does that?
Either way, Spamton is a potential ex-glowy who's had contact with Noelle for a long time.
 
I remember wondering about that specific character doll in Seam's shop years ago. I've not done that much research into every aspect of the game. I don't really think that Toby is the sort of guy to write a story that requires shit like proper philosophical deep dives and historical/folkloric research really. It's clear that most of Toby's ideas are derivative of other videogames he played as a kid, so I don't really think there's any real religious meaning behind it all? There could be something, but IDK I just don't see it? I mean there's maybe something there considering Asriel's final form in Undertale being an Angel and Azrael being the Angel of Death in Islam.
Though it's more likely to just be Toby playing his anagram games again.
Asriel Dreemurr = Serial Murderer
Just curious; do you have the type of autism where you can just look at something and not ascribe any significance to it, only for it to come back years later and slot itself into a puzzle you never realized was being put together in your mind?

I certainly hope those organs and genitals were put to good use.
 
Just curious; do you have the type of autism where you can just look at something and not ascribe any significance to it, only for it to come back years later and slot itself into a puzzle you never realized was being put together in your mind?
I guess you could say it's something like that. I do normally try not to overthink things because most of the time a modern story isn't really worth the effort to think about the plot too deeply. I'm only giving Toby the benefit of the doubt because he can actually build a decent mystery. Though the big thing is that we don't really know how Toby is when it comes to opening that Mystery Box and clearing up the final secret, though his past experience at doing so with Undertale when the full story of the first human was revealed was through random fucking tapes that had just been left laying around in the True Lab for some reason. Like, why the fuck were they there?
 
I can't name a videogame in the last 10-15 years that got me so interested in it.
Possibly because I can't name a video game from the last 10-15 years that wasn't irony poisoned, meta-self-aware-turns-at-the-camera redditslop, making fun of itself and you for taking it seriously(ughhh, nerd), while pushing The Message about diversity, womyn in power and heckin transfolx. Deltarune just genuinely means all the shit it those, zero heckin subverted expectations or making fun of the audience for getting invested in the story and liking the characters. Sure, its no generational epic, but it has the balls to stand on its own as an authors vision. Sure, it might be a strange vision with questionable choices, but atleast there is an artistic spark to it, its trying to tell a story, rather than pushing numbers based on a californian neon hair focus group. This kind of honesty about what it is and what it wants to be immediately places it above all the slop.
 
I wanted to think about why Krusie has been feeling like a better ship instead of Suselle. I'll admit that in the earlier days I used to like Suselle, and while I don't really have too much grievance with people in gay relationships, I also recognize that too many act like faggots over it and I'm very sure it's just a fetish. I think it's really because it's felt more "organic", so to speak, where in real time as we play the game we see the relationship develop. Noelle is only a party member in Chapter 2 as of now, while Susie has always been with us since the very start of the game.
Being vulnerable with a person demonstrates an immense level of trust that you see in really good relationships, both in friendships and romance. We've seen Susie open up to Kris and Ralsei about her own past, and AFAIK I don't think she's ever told or been open to Noelle about it. The way she talked about wanting to play the piano but being discouraged, she confides in Kris about this, but Noelle? Not yet. It felt a lot more personal in a way.
 
Shockingly Suselle simply being gay isn't my actual issue with it. I just like well written relationships that don't feel like they were cranked out on AO3, and Krusie is the single most well developed relationship in the game.

Kris and Susie's relationship is, quite literally, the heart of this game's story. The actual main plot is kinda shallow but the character work between the protagonist and deuteragonist is very well crafted and genuine feeling, and the romantic aspect only added to it. It makes you want to root for the two of them to get together because they're already soulmates.

Susie and Noelle have almost nothing in common and haven't said more than 2 words to each other up until the events of the game, which I would remind people is only 4 out of the last 5 in-universe days, and one of those days was entirely in the dark world so Noelle thinks it was a dream.

Susie and Noelle have hung out for at most a few hours, (most of it off-screen) over the course of 3 days and are now basically dating. Anyone without a yuri fetish can see how fucking shoehorned it is.
 
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Shockingly Suselle simply being gay isn't my actual issue with it. I just like well written relationships that don't feel like they were written cranked out on AO3, and Krusie is the single most well developed relationship in the game.

Kris and Susie's relationship is, quite literally, the heart of this games story. The actual main plot is kinda shallow but the character work between the protagonist and deuteragonist is very well made, and the romantic aspect only added to it. It makes you want to root for the two of them to get together because they're already soulmates.
Yeah, there's two relationships that should exist. Kris and Susie's relationship is the heart of the story, and we can see very obviously that Kris likes Susie a lot.
But there's also Kris' relationship with Noelle, which you could call the most important relationship before the story starts (the 100% compatibility, the Ferris Wheel, the vote when you go for Kris and Noelle), and also tying into Dess, Asriel, and "the incident". The fact that Susie and Noelle are being so bluntly pushed together in an unbelievably unrealistic and hamfisted way is enough to make anybody actually paying attention to the story have a moment of pause.
Or the worst outcome, Toby is a hack and being cucked in this exact way is his fetish.
It just doesn't make sense for him to be able to write relationships like Susie and Kris or Noelle and Kris and then do this for what is supposedly meant to be the big relationship of the story as seen in the Normal Route, it's abysmal dogshit with plenty of indicators that it's not going to go well for them.
 
Anyway, here's a brief dose of schizophrenia based on this line when Susie and Noelle are talking about Dragon Blazers.
* Like... the underground levels from Dragon Blazers.
* The music just repeats over and over again.
* Hell yeah. That was weird.
Happy Town is currently of more interest because the Weird Route Hometown theme in Ch. 5 is also called "Happy Town"
 
Possibly because I can't name a video game from the last 10-15 years that wasn't irony poisoned, meta-self-aware-turns-at-the-camera redditslop, making fun of itself and you for taking it seriously(ughhh, nerd), while pushing The Message about diversity, womyn in power and heckin transfolx. Deltarune just genuinely means all the shit it those, zero heckin subverted expectations or making fun of the audience for getting invested in the story and liking the characters. Sure, its no generational epic, but it has the balls to stand on its own as an authors vision. Sure, it might be a strange vision with questionable choices, but atleast there is an artistic spark to it, its trying to tell a story, rather than pushing numbers based on a californian neon hair focus group. This kind of honesty about what it is and what it wants to be immediately places it above all the slop.
Also, it has good music. Which is objectively way more important to communicate the mood you're supposed to feel in a moment than anything else. I don't know if Toby is just the only game dev understanding this, or the only one able to deliver it, but it does wonders for the immersion. Graphics aren't really important and realism often is just a distraction. Also, the game doesn't just recycle known gameplay mechanics and plays with the expectations of the players who are well versed with the genre and their usually way overplayed tropes, and how to subvert the dreadful things players expect. The mysterious elements keep the player guessing, which is why it stays in their minds, and allows people to come up with their own ideas. People theorycraft around this game as if it contains the secret to immortality.

I get where this mentality comes from but at the same time, the industry has become so fucking garbage that I can't help but find it endearing.

I can't name a videogame in the last 10-15 years that got me so interested in it.
Outer Wilds was great. It also builds up a great mystery. It also solves it very statisfyingly at the end.
 
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