Undertale / Deltarune / Toby Fox Discussion

[TyrasGuard]

The more I think about it, the more I think that the super secret 3rd route involving the sword IS the prophecy everyone is actively trying to avoid.

I know people associate FRIEND and Eram with Gaster but I actually think they are the bad guys trying to push you into getting the crystals AND to enter the weird route first. They are wildly different from other Goners.

I think the normal route is everyone's "secret plans" working as expected, the prophecy being broken and giving everyone a happy ending that doesn't involve Kris killing anyone. (Imagine the good ending in Undertale)

The weird route is YOU making Noelle kill, which gives her too much awareness and making characters essentially escape the story, maybe Susie gets strong enough to beat the game on her own or things don't go entirely well but they still break the prophecy by cutting characters out of it (Imagine the neutral ending).

But why would the game not let Kris kill? We know that LVLs work the way they did in Undertale. It would make sense. Why not just let Kris get powerful and do 99999999 damage to the Knight with a simple knife? I think the secret ending is the equivalent of the genocide route and the prophecy is either Kris, you or "someone else" taking control and literally killing everyone.

 

[Gay Sex Enjoyer]

The more I think about it, the more I think that the super secret 3rd route involving the sword IS the prophecy everyone is actively trying to avoid.

BY THE POWER OF GASTER

 

[Bowiotronic]

What are the chances of noelle's mom being the one who tells Kris to put the thornring on her so that she becomes based like her instead of going her dad's way?
How does Kris know what to do with the ring and who to put it on? Couldn't he as well, might have put the ring on Ralsei's unclit? Is this pointed out at any given moment? Why not make a titty ring to supercharge Susie?

 

[Leakage Current]

But why would the game not let Kris kill? We know that LVLs works the way they did in Undertale. It would make sense. Why not just let Kris get powerful and do 99999999 damage to the Knight with a simple knife? I think the secret ending is the equivalent of the genocide route and the prophecy is Kris literally killing everyone.

Deltarune keeps track of both level (.lv) and LV/Love (.llv) so it's not impossible.

Fun fact: both are equal to 1 for all chapters released up to now.

 

[Irrational Exuberance]

Tbh the "Susie is actually an evil timeline manipulator" theory is lowkey reminding me of the old "Ralsei is actually an evil liar" theory from back in the day.

I'm still holding out hope that he pulls out a gun to try and stop Kris during the "third route" when the latter's carving a path through Castle Town with the Twisted Sword.

Speaking of which...

 

[scallion]

I'm still holding out hope that he pulls out a gun to try and stop Kris during the "third route" when the latter's carving a path through Castle Town with the Twisted Sword.

Speaking of which...

https://youtube.com/watch?v=7PZrJST8qko

This video's background footage is giving me flashbacks to how mad Eram made me

 

[Cryogonal2]

I'm still holding out hope that he pulls out a gun to try and stop Kris during the "third route" when the latter's carving a path through Castle Town with the Twisted Sword.

Speaking of which...

https://youtube.com/watch?v=7PZrJST8qko

ralsei is a moe flower, of course

 

[MisterListerTheBlister]

This is the Chud zone.

YOUR TROONING TOO LONG

 

[The Blue Room]

Sword themed chapter 6 boss. Probably Carol.


^From the Jackenstein fight^

 

[SpiderBitch]

What if evil ralsei is bending space and time itself to force suselle together so kris has no other choice except for his fruity ass (or berdly)

I mean ralsei definitely seems more interested in kris than vice versa

 

[Symbol of the Chud]

Truly horrifying, some fans believe that Alphys and Undyne's "romance" is a serious story beat that added to their character development and wasn't a literal fucking joke scene prior to the story getting darker in True Lab to add to the whiplash.

 

[mer569]

think the normal route is everyone's "secret plans" working as expected, the prophecy being broken and giving everyone a happy ending that doesn't involve Kris killing anyone. (Imagine the good ending in Undertale)

The True Goy ending.

 

[Smack Patrick]

Alright boys give me your best non-plot related theories.
You reckon if you brought a pet into the DW it would change like the plants did, or would it be a minor change like the monsters and humans?

I mean ralsei definitely seems more interested in kris than vice versa

Kris definitely was wary of Ralsei to begin with, but he's warmed up to him quite a bit now. No homo.

 

[Coolio55]

Alright boys give me your best non-plot related theories.
You reckon if you brought a pet into the DW it would change like the plants did, or would it be a minor change like the monsters and humans?

 

[SIMON THE PIEMAN]

Maybe it's because I'm just jaded as fuck from all of the recent media that ended the same way but I have a suspicious feeling the story is going to turn out to be a lot more simplistic than anything we're saying.

This is why I previously stated that the only fun part of this game is coming up with your own theories. The amount of trust one needs to have for the author to skillfully weave a satisfying plot twist into a story that features 8 years of blueballing is monumental and I doubt that Toby Fox in particular is someone who is actually capable of pulling off such a feat. Such things require a lot of planning and rigor and seeing the five chapters we have right now I can't say that any of these virtues are present in Deltarune. I am open to be pleasantely surprised but I don't expect to be in the slightest.

 

[Cryogonal2]

Truly horrifying, some fans believe that Alphys and Undyne's "romance" is a serious story beat that added to their character development and wasn't a literal fucking joke scene prior to the story getting darker in True Lab to add to the whiplash.

i at least thought it was funny that the autistic lizard was able to groom the butch musclefish into watching anime with her. in a just world, berdly would have been able to romance susie in such a way, but with runescape and melee instead of anime.

 

[Symbol of the Chud]

i at least thought it was funny that the autistic lizard was able to groom the butch musclefish into watching anime with her. in a just world, berdly would have been able to romance susie in such a way, but with runescape and melee instead of anime.

It's probably a good thing that Berdly doesn't play Runescape, the multi day internet outage would've probably made him kill himself.

 

[The Lawgiver]

They made that edit with Kris and the soul crashing around in Noelle's house with the simpsons music.

Wasn't that originally a youtube upload that got copyright struck down?

 

[8GB VRAM]

Sword themed chapter 6 boss. Probably Carol.
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^From the Jackenstein fight^

Amazing how much faith you people still have in this game having any sense of direction or vision after Toby took the leashes off his tranny dev underlings in chapter 5. Be ashamed of yourselves.

 

[You Can't Un'Ape The Doe]

The file in question turned out to be Spamton sending Noelle a pipis as thanks for always reading his spam,

So Gaster was grooming Spamton, who was grooming Noelle, who was raping kris, who is then also raped by the player who also tries to rape Noelle

I have confidence that it will be better than the shitshow of The Amazing Digital Letdown,

The Amazing Dilation Clitty sucked real bad so it's not much of a surprise. Even before the botched ending it was still basically just a character crying per episode as someone consoles them with therapybabble, and then the actual ending somehow managed to fuck up the story in every conceivable way. The two good things about it were the stevie wonder song, and the fact the tranny -ACKed

Bendy and the Ink Machine was arguably the worst violator of this.

I'd say Poppy Playtime was worse (granted I'm not exactly an expert on either, I barely recall shit about Bendy or Poppy) but at the same time it was always going to be garbage, whereas Bendy could have been good.

telling your human friend you have a fear of humans hiding under your bed kinda feels extremely hilariously fucking racist when you think about it.

>Kris is a minority
>Noelle is a BPD gun nut who draws pictures of blue birds on the targets at the gun range
>Noelle is afraid of humans and their violent nature, but is able to grow attached to one (possibly two) specific humans who were raised by the right (monster) culture. Basically, Kris is one of the good ones.
>Susie also has a relationship with a retarded goycattle (Susie) whom she WILL realize is too retarded for her
It seems to me Noelle epitomizes the chud who weds and beds another race they were previously (or still) racist to.