Undertale / Deltarune / Toby Fox Discussion

[Strangolapreti]

Reached the final boss, doing so has been a massive fucking slog, but at least its a decent fight so far, and quite difficult too, the music delivers as well, but I gotta wait to the very end before giving my final judgement.

 

[Symbol of the Chud]

Celeste

I think "Don't troon out and make everything you have ever done about trooning out" is advice that is useful for more than just creative work?

 

[Smegward]

Guys, I actually like this crap! The secret boss was funny, and Asgore's fake family going away and him going back to reality upset me somehow.

 

[Gay Sex Enjoyer]

I don't even want to replay this chapter to find everything like I did with the rest of them, like I'm genuinely just mad. I don't give a fuck about finding the egg or exploring alt dialogue, the entire chapter is just a giant humiliation ritual.

Good lord.

 

[niggarobux]

I don't even want to replay this chapter to find everything like I did with the rest of them, like I'm genuinely just mad. I don't give a fuck about finding the egg or exploring alt dialogue, the entire chapter is just a giant humiliation ritual.

Good lord.

Hell, I couldn't finish it. Partially because of this thread letting me know that there was a dancing blue homotroon incoming.

 

[Gay Sex Enjoyer]

The entire "will you walk me home" segment feels like it was designed to piss you off.

It has all the hallmarks of a confession scene "oh I've been thinking about us" type stuff but then it ends with Susie subverting it completely and just telling Kris that Noelle is the single most important thing in her life now and MUST be included in the one thing that was an escape for the two of them before closing the door in Kris's face. Then it caps off with Susie and all of hometown throwing a giant wholesome chungus welcome party for Noelle while Kris stands outside the doorway for another 10 minutes looking completely dejected.

This is the kind of shit that happens to someone right before they kill themselves and the family says there were no signs.

 

[Smegward]

Hell, I couldn't finish it. Partially because of this thread letting me know that there was a dancing blue homotroon incoming.

The gay ballerina costume guy is actually kinda funny. He really sucks and is way over the top.

Then it caps off with Susie and all of hometown throwing a giant welcome party for Noelle while Kris stands outside the doorway for another 10 minutes looking completely dejected.

Dude, I had to look up whether there was a party I somehow didn't see, and all it was was prep work for it. The point seemed to be that Suzy would rather be in the dark world than at home.

 

[Dr. Ricearoni]

ugh y r u all so mean 2 tony fox ugh shakes my big fluffy $$$$-ing tail

 

[starborn427614]

The entire "will you walk me home" segment feels like it was designed to piss you off.

It has all the hallmarks of a confession scene "oh I've been thinking about us" type stuff but then it ends with Susie subverting it completely and just telling Kris that Noelle is the single most important thing in her life now and MUST be included in the one thing that was an escape for the two of them before closing the door in Kris's face. Then it caps off with Susie and all of hometown throwing a giant wholesome chungus welcome party for Noelle while Kris stands outside the doorway for another 10 minutes looking completely dejected.

This is the kind of shit that happens to someone right before they kill themselves and the family says there were no signs.

The cope has fully set in. I believe this relationship is doomed to fail or at the very least Kris will do something to separate the two. It's too on the nose to not be a red flag.

 

[Chi]

This chapter just felt like a large fuck you to the players, long chapter with no plot progression, middling music and infuriatingly keeping things as vague as possible with a lackluster secret boss that doesn't even tie into the freedom theme or any hints to future content, even if this chapter was before 4 it would be shit even if slightly less shit.
This was the festival he's been teasing us about for multiple chapters now? You can't even choose to hangout with the characters properly and you're forced to be glued to Noelle and Susie sitting in the cuck chair.
The weird route is so much better it's not even funny and Toby cut it short because he felt like giving one more middle finger.

 

[LoogerLike]

The entire "will you walk me home" segment feels like it was designed to piss you off.

It has all the hallmarks of a confession scene "oh I've been thinking about us" type stuff but then it ends with Susie subverting it completely and just telling Kris that Noelle is the single most important thing in her life now and MUST be included in the one thing that was an escape for the two of them before closing the door in Kris's face. Then it caps off with Susie and all of hometown throwing a giant wholesome chungus welcome party for Noelle while Kris stands outside the doorway for another 10 minutes looking completely dejected.

This is the kind of shit that happens to someone right before they kill themselves and the family says there were no signs.

You know the ending to chapter 4 also felt like it was designed to piss you off too. Maybe this is Toby's preferred form of a cliffhanger? Just pissing off everyone? I don't really like it one bit, myself. The first three chapter endings were Kris baiting the audience so now it's everyone ragebaiting him to end each chapter.

 

[Coolio55]

Asgore's fake family going away and him going back to reality upset me somehow.

I felt kinda sad about it (especially that scene between Mew Mew and Orange) but it was such a cheap fucking trick.

The cope has fully set in. I believe this relationship is doomed to fail or at the very least Kris will do something to separate the two. It's too on the nose to not be a red flag.

You say that ...but I have another (cope, as-if he cares) theory.
Toby has our money now so the gloves are officially off.

 

[Gay Sex Enjoyer]

It doesn't even make fucking sense, Susie has no idea how useful Noelle would be in the dark world and the only route where Noelle is a genuine force to be reckoned with is the WR, which completely bypasses this entire chapter and the next one so the scene never happens anyway. "Oh we totally need more help now Kris it's super cereal" comes off as a roundabout self-justification from Susie when in reality she just wants to drag her girlfriend along because she's thinking with her labia now.

Normal route Noelle has barely any experience in combat and would be a giant burden that would need to be constantly babysat by the rest of the team after joining this late in the story, not to mention the fact that Noelle doesn't even know the Dark Worlds are a real place and not just a dream she had. Her entire theological perspective would be put to the test just from the simple fact that she'd learn that the Angel, Prophecy, and Apocalypse and everything she saw in the Dark World are all 100% real and now it's suddenly her responsibility to stop the roaring now because her gf said so oh and also you can fucking die if you aren't careful.

Berdly is unironically a better choice than Noelle is for helping with the dark worlds, and I'm not fucking joking.

 

[TORtlEMUStRaNSUS]

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Genuinely if they make Ralsei a tranny I'm logging off the fucking game.

 

[Symbol of the Chud]

You know the ending to chapter 4 also felt like it was designed to piss you off too. Maybe this is Toby's preferred form of a cliffhanger? Just pissing off everyone? I don't really like it one bit, myself. The first three chapter endings were Kris baiting the audience so now it's everyone ragebaiting him to end each chapter.

>First 3 chapters, Kris cockteasing the audience by doing increasingly mystery nigga shit at night
>Following 2 chapters, Kris getting increasingly ragebaited by the people who he wants to trust before chapter ends.
Following our current trajectory on the humiliation congaline, chapter 6 will end with Susie and Noelle calling Kris a detestable little Humigger they've always hated and when he goes home he finds Sans fucking Toriel which leads to his final crashout and the roaring in Chapter 7.

 

[LoogerLike]

It doesn't even make fucking sense, Susie has no idea how useful Noelle would be in the dark world and the only route where Noelle is a genuine force to be reckoned with is the WR, which completely bypasses this entire chapter and the next one so the scene never happens anyway. "Oh we totally need more help now Kris it's super cereal" just comes off as a roundabout self-justification from Susie when in reality she just wants to drag her girlfriend along because she's thinking with her labia now.

Normal route Noelle has barely any experience in combat and would be a giant burden that would need to be constantly babysat by the rest of the team joining this late in the story, not to mention the fact that Noelle doesn't even know the Dark Worlds are a real place and not just a dream she had. Her entire theological perspective would be put to the test just from the simple fact that she'd learn that the Angel, Prophecy, and Apocalypse are all 100% real and now it's suddenly her responsibility to stop the roaring now because her gf said so.

Also in Chapter 5 Susie has a spell to spare all tired enemies, and better heal is marginally better than Ralsei's heal, just needs to use less TP. Soon she'll become a more useful magic user than Noelle or Ralsei.

Berdly is unironically a better choice than Noelle is for helping with the dark worlds, and I'm not fucking joking.

Can we get a party for the boys? Kris, Berdly, and Ralsei would be a fun party to deal with.

 

[gunt cat]

AAAAAAAAHH
TROON OUT
IT'S SHE
SAY XHE
TROON OUT

 

[Sunset Ethernia]

What the fuck is wrong with this chapter. i just got into the flowershop darkworld and i already want to fucking quit and restart on the weird route save. this isn't good...

 

[Symbol of the Chud]

What the fuck is wrong with this chapter. i just got into the flowershop darkworld and i already want to fucking quit and restart on the weird route save. this isn't good...

>He hasn't seen the Blugger yet.
It is over for you, bro.
You won't last the gay cowboy and his gay blue nigger boyfriend in a tutu.

 

[Ottomans]

Even disregarding the love triangle antics & poor plotline follow-ups, it gets tiring that every single character just "vagueposts" in front of us. It's especially egregious with Asgore at the end of the chapter and how he keeps referring to "that day where the thing happened, you know the day with the thing that did the thing, that day, oh the horrors!", that and Kris always managing to do stuff behind other people's backs with little to no reprisal because he just never gets caught due to every other character being stupid - it gets tiring after the 700th "close call".
Also, Ch.1 Nostalgia bait but NO Jevil jevilbros...

"Oh we totally need more help now Kris it's super cereal"

This one is even harder to justify because Susie already knows this is a world-ending event, why would she not tell an ADULT? Or at least someone that can fight or actually do something? (Not that it matters, it's pretty clear that they're just phasing Ralsei out with the whole "Susie doing everything Ralsei does but better" just to make room for Noelle).