Undertale / Deltarune / Toby Fox Discussion

[Nicholas II of Russia]

Another thing I really disliked was the bait and switch in the dress up minigame on Susie. It was funny in like the first chapter with the limited budget while doing the robot monster that Lancer gives you the prototype for, but when you do it by chapter 5 it really shows how limited you really are as a dev if you can't even implement something like customization on a character.

 

[A Fly on the wall]

Great! One of my favourite artists has both associated himself with and created giga AIDS!

(i am so fucking mad)

Not to mention the boss itself is the secret tranny anime cat from the switch version of undertale. Your main objective during this fight is to flirt with it to fill the doki doki meter so you can enter a dating SIM/vn scene in which you get 25% mercy each time you do this.

 

[Lizard Machine Bugs]

Speaking of the thorn ring, any news on the twisted sword? Or was that another dud?

Nope, nothing yet since you don't have the chance to fuse it. But in Chapter 4 Malleous and Top Chef talk about needing a Master of Bread to get new fusion recipes. And Seam still needs Mew Mew's Shadow Crystal to make the Pure Crystal, so presumably it's all Chapter 6 stuff. Although I was sort of hoping you'd be able to get it at the end of Chapter 5, but it doesn't really make much difference to me.

 

[niggarobux]

Not to mention the boss itself is the secret tranny anime cat from the switch version of undertale. Your main objective during this fight is to flirt with it to fill the doki doki meter so you can enter a dating SIM/vn scene in which you get 25% mercy each time you do this.

bleugh

You know, there's a thread that I frequent about progressives, mainly troons, creating vidya which revolves around their shallow interpretations of distant scenes and superior work...

 

[Gay Sex Enjoyer]

Speaking of the thorn ring, any news on the twisted sword? Or was that another dud?

You can give the shadow crystal from 4 to seam but that's it. You don't go back to castle town again, so we're blueballed out of the twisted sword again until next chapter.

Istg this thing better one-hit everything in the game.

 

[Symbol of the Chud]

Gaster must be mad upset that "his Deltarune" has been infiltrated and infested with troonslop. Imagine getting erased from reality and only existing in the space between atoms and your legacy is corrupted into some troon's dilation tool.
I'd be rooting for the Yandeer Mindbreak route, at that point.

Weird Route is quite literally the only part of the game I have any sort of interest in now, so if it's not Chapter 6+7 being released together, I'll probably skip the next chapter and just shitpost about it instead.
I won't allow myself to needlessly get dragged to gayniggerhell again, not without being able to have Kris pop Susie's head like a bullet tearing through a can of grape soda. In one chapter Toby changed Susie from being one of the better characters to the worst, did she mindrape herself with the prophecy or something? She's like a different character now.

 

[LoogerLike]

The diner, the piano, the beach, the dark worlds. There is nothing that's just for Susie and Kris anymore. Kris is now the third wheel in his own fucking friendship because this bitch-ass doe was horny.

This and how Mina the Hollower ended gave me the same feeling of "you know what maybe you should all fucking die." I've been hating on Kris for a year for being a shit, but now I'm firmly on team Kris against the world. Don't let them cuck you, Kris, destroy the world, as a treat.

 

[TyrasGuard]

I know that from an objective standpoint the chapter completely wasting time and not moving the plot forward whatsoever is worse than the Suselle stuff but I just can't help but fucking hate it.

Susie will likely choose to LARP as a hero forever and Noelle will have to kill her or something like that and, I guess Toby realized that it wouldn't have much weight to it so he decided to speedrun (WR any%) their relationship.

That's like the most generous take I can give to the man.

 

[starborn427614]

>chapter 4's deep, focused and genuinely engaging gameplay and story
Ver archivo adjunto 9188857

>ch 1 is the second weakest chapter
I have no words

I stand by my opinion of chapter 4, but I must've been smoking crack to put 1 right at the bottom. Gameplay-wise it's not blowing anybody away, but it's an effective setup for the game.

For me, it's 2>4>3>1>5.

 

[LoogerLike]

God I wish we just got fight Asgore as the secret boss, that would have been killer.

 

[Gay Sex Enjoyer]

I stand by my opinion of chapter 4, but I must've been smoking crack to put 1 right at the bottom. Gameplay-wise it's not blowing anybody away, but it's an effective setup for the game.

For me, it's 2>4>3>1>5.

Don't bother, guy's a shitter.

 

[Symbol of the Chud]

Susie will likely choose to LARP as a hero forever and Noelle will have to kill her or something like that and, I guess Toby realized that it wouldn't have much weight to it so he decided to speedrun (WR any%) their relationship.

That's like the most generous take I can give to the man.

I mean, their relationship goes beyond a WR any% speedrun. This shit is relationship whiplash. It's the fucking character development equivalent of this:

We've gone beyond any sort of normal standard for writing, and it's effectively just a kid smashing his two female action figures together and saying "Now they kiss!"

 

[TyrasGuard]

God I wish we just got fight Asgore as the secret boss, that would have been killer.

I can't get over how the whole chapter is just a big reference to Undertale and the secret boss is literally the ONE, the ONE fucking thing that wasn't in the original.

It doesn't even fit the "freedom" motif unless you want to troon out and say that Mew Mew being a troon catgirl is liberating or something.

Also, I still can't tell if the blue guy is a guy or an ugly black woman.

 

[Cucktry Roads]

Just completed the chapter. I'm just gonna say it, that was the worst chapter yet. I really expected chapter 5 to transition us into the 3rd and final phase of the story, and this was just a fucking filler chapter that confirmed theories that were basically "all but confirmed" at this points (Asgore dealing with dark fountains before).

When I theorized that the chapter was going to be Flowey and the 6 human souls stopping you from reaching asgore, I was worried that developing them all has characters was going to be a nightmare, and turns out it was a true. Everyone had a single characteristic to them (also yellow and blue are fucking faggots and green is non-binary bullshit). The majority of screentime is given to Aqua and purple, which gives you time a lot of time with them, but not much else. Don't even get me started on how Orange barely has a presence.

The Noelle romance shit was unsufferable in chapter 2 and there's so much more of the shit throughout chapter 5. Let's not mention how the fucking secret boss was just an undertale boss that snuck into the flower shop. No epic lore or zanny lorebating chracters that develops the world more, just more of the same shit. I think it's safe to say Friend isn't handing out the shadow crystals cause this one makes 0 sense. Then again, I still believe tear theory.

Flowery had a strong presence at the start, but was completely written out of the story quickly, which lead to him being underdeveloped. The middle of the damn chapter drug on and on.

Nothing moved forward with the roaring knight. The beginning of the chapter had a bunch of Dess lore before leaving the house, then nothing going forward. Roaring knight does the same shit it does in chapter 3, comes in at the end, steals asgore, and fights Flowery, then fucks off. Nothing new.

The only thing this chapter really did was bring back the theory that Ralsei is Undertale's Asriel since Flowery had a few snide lines to him about being completely overpowered, along with at one point he stops the game and explains to Susie that they're pretty much in a game.

 

[LoogerLike]

It doesn't even fit the "freedom" motif unless you want to troon out and say that Mew Mew being a troon catgirl is liberating or something.

Chapter 2 and 3 having creepy secret content was super cool, but have you heard of japan and idol culture?

Also, I still can't tell if the blue guy is a guy or an ugly black woman.

Gay Nigger Flower, called a he a lot, also gay cowboy, lol.

 

[Gay Sex Enjoyer]

 

[D.Angus]

 

[Symbol of the Chud]

There are many people who feel like Undertale Yellow's True Pacifist ending where Clover fucking kills himself is a bad ending that comes out of nowhere, but now, I think Clover had a prophetic vision of the future that he, or a version of himself would grow up to be a faggot cowboy that wants to fuck a gay blue nigger so he topped himself.
We've reached a stage where Toby can now just be utterly outdone by fanworks, Yellow blows this shit out of the fucking water.

 

[News At 11]

This entire chapter feels like if it was made as some alternate reality kickstarter reward like the So Sorry boss fight to the point that the weird route feels like it was supposed to be the actual thing, what the fuck was toby thinking?

 

[Super Guido]

I can't get over how the whole chapter is just a big reference to Undertale and the secret boss is literally the ONE, the ONE fucking thing that wasn't in the original.

But Tyras, Mew Mew was in the Switch version of Undertale! That means it's totally cool and not a waste of everyone's time.