Twin Peaks - The owls are not what they seem...

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If you go into The Return knowing that Lynch specifically set out to disappoint and to not conclude anything (and succeeded at both), it makes more sense.

There's a ton of it that's really, really good, and there's some pretty cringe shit. On balance, I enjoyed it a lot. Probably about as much as the first 2 seasons if you take them as a whole and consider their flaws too.

If you like the originals at all, I don't see how you wouldn't like The Return, everything is there, the darkness, the comedy, the mystery. But there are no conclusions and no answers, so if you are looking for that you will be disappointed - as intended.
 
Your Starter for 10 dijo:
If you go into The Return knowing that Lynch specifically set out to disappoint and to not conclude anything (and succeeded at both), it makes more sense.
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Amusingly, he manages to somehow provide a pretty satisfactory conclusion to everything in the penultimate episode, then fucks it all up on purpose.

Karamanlis dijo:
I thought The Return was dog shit. It has pretty much nothing in common with the original series. It's just Lynch at his self-indulgent worst. If you're into crap like Inland Empire, then you'll probably like The Return.
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fwiw I hated Inland Empire and liked The Return. I think Lost Highway is a lot better than .Mulholland Drive too.
 
Calandrino dijo:
Amusingly, he manages to somehow provide a pretty satisfactory conclusion to everything in the penultimate episode, then fucks it all up on purpose.
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I have always interpreted that as both Lynch and Frost growing comfortable over time with the batshit cliffhanger ending of season 2, and they just decided to replicate that. Which, along with all the other ballsy decisions made by them in season 3, I greatly respect.
Calandrino dijo:
fwiw I hated Inland Empire and liked The Return. I think Lost Highway is a lot better than .Mulholland Drive too.
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It's the only Lynch movie I don't love. There's challenging art, and then there's Inland Empire.
Absurdist Laughter dijo:
Very late to the game here, I just watched Season 1 and prepping to watch the 2nd Season. (Note, I thought this only got one season and was slow rolling through it.) More than likely going to enjoy season 2. I also got Fire Walk With Me in line after that. Is Season 3 worth investing space into?
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You will enjoy half of season 2. And the ending.

(I don't know you, but I am being polite and generous in my assumption that you have good taste.)
 
Calandrino dijo:
Amusingly, he manages to somehow provide a pretty satisfactory conclusion to everything in the penultimate episode, then fucks it all up on purpose.


fwiw I hated Inland Empire and liked The Return. I think Lost Highway is a lot better than .Mulholland Drive too.
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The ending fits in perfectly with Lynch's interest in Eastern religions and their relations with cyclic cycles, so it was a fitting end to what was originally going to be a Marilyn Monroe whodunit soap opera - Lynch and Frost flipped it into something more interesting and unique. If anyone was following the development of season 3, then you should know once they announced he had creative control, then you knew he was going to double down on the surrealist presentation/symbolic storytelling and Mark Frost with his occult themes.
 
The first 2 seasons were sold to me as a soap opera parody back in like 2013. Saw some random youtuber talk about FWWM as a reference to FBI procedurals like Silence of the Lambs. In that vein, I think season 3 is like every other legacy reboot of this era. Especially with the subtitle The Return. This tweet reminds me of the expectations around season 3, the reaction to Dougie, the disinterest in the wider world beyond Twin Peak.
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If you end on the penultimate episode it's what everyone wanted, everything all tied up and back to the good old fashioned town of Twin Peaks. Then the finale bursts that (and the characters enter our world?) and says you can't go back, you can't save Laura without erasing the show. Twin Peaks and TV has changed as a result of her murder and there's no undoing that.
 
Actually now that some time has passed and checking of when reboots really got into swing: I'm just dumb. There might be some kind of meta narrative but it's not what I thought if there even is. And I'm still uncertain on the ending so probably just time for a thorough rewatch.
 
Can anyone share what they think is up with Audrey in S3/The Return?

That’s probably the part of the entire series I have the weakest theory, if I could even form a cohesive one, on.

And more randomness
who was that man/woman in the dark outside the motel in The Return?
 
My take on The Return.
From all the interviews I've seen of David Lynch, he really didn't seem like the kind of guy to make an intentionally bad show just to make a point. That just sounds like reddit cope to me. From what I understand, Mark Frost and Lynch worked on the script together, but then Lynch completely went his own way with it. Frost's vision of Season 3 is his books, and Lynch's is what's on screen. As a huge David Lynch fan, I have to agree that he's self indulgent. That's just how his creative process works. Before he was a director, he was a painter. He transitioned to film because he wanted his paintings to "move". When he had imagery or themes or other interests in his head, he filmed them. The theme of decay in suburbia in Blue Velvet wasn't to make a comment on Reagn's America, it was there because Lynch thought it was cool. The guy with the green glove wasn't there because Lynch wanted to make a point about reboots, he was there because Lynch saw him on Youtube and thought he was cool. The interests he had in 1990 were just not the same ones he had in 2017, and there was no going back for him. The Return was less Twin Peaks Season 3 and more David Lynch's career retrospective. All of his movies but the Elephant Man have an actor in The Return, and there's imagery that recalls Eraserhead. Twin Peaks was just the foundation for this to be built over. If you've seen Jean Cocteau's movies Orpheus and Testament of Orpheus, its a similar sort of relationship as Twin Peaks and The Return. We get to see some familiar characters and locations, but its not really a sequel. It's probably not a coincidence Lynch chose Twin Peaks as the foundation because it's his only work where he plays a character that's more than a cameo. The point isn't to resolve the plot, and its not to make a commentary on television. It's for David Lynch to have fun playing with his actors and sets and for you the viewer to feel the emotions of it all.
 
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