The Suicide Squad - unnecessary white male director gets second chance

[SteelPlatedHeart]

Yeah, generally the actors were all good in the early DCEU, with a few obvious exceptions, I just don’t think the script was up the same level as the actors.

 

[Captain Syrup]

Yeah, generally the actors were all good in the early DCEU, with a few obvious exceptions, I just don’t think the script was up the same level as the actors.

The stars have more respect for fans than WB does.

It's not just the pride of an actor: I believe they want to do right by those characters. But it doesn't guarantee significant 'wins'.

 

[Mary the Goldsmith]

Is the flash movie still being made? I haven't heard anything about it after Ezra Miller choked a peanut woman.

yes, its filming right now with Affleck and Keaton both set to reprise their respective batman role, we're also getting latina Supergirl (Supposedly she is from an alternate universe where she is a genderbent Kal-El, but its just a rumor so take it with a grain of salt)

 

[Captain Syrup]

yes, its filming right now with Affleck and Keaton both set to reprise their respective batman role, we're also getting latina Supergirl

It's Flashpoint Joker which worries me. It's almost guaranteed to end in disaster.

 

[Mr. Zed da Robot Poon Fed]

Late and gay in watching this film.

I'd say that this film is a step in the right direction for DC, but obviously the pandemic and HBO Max will fuck it up some.

 

[Internet War Criminal]

It's Flashpoint Joker which worries me. It's almost guaranteed to end in disaster.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=hDhdN-X8eUI

What the fuck is this gay shit

I get maybe filming it but at no point during the edit they thought 'Wait this is fucking cringy shit let's forget we did this'

 

[Doctor of Autism]

Cavill and Affleck are the redeeming features. Some would say Irons deserved more screentime. (Alfred is fun. though he comes across more like a catty lover to Bruce, rather than a father.)

Unfortunately, in the case of Superman, that isn't enough. Superman is an ensemble. Jonathan gets sucked into a tornado, "Save Martha" makes no sense at all, Perry sends Clark to the Sports desk, Lois is teary-eyed in every shot, and Snyder admitted he killed Jimmy for his own amusement.

Yeah Zack Snyder treated Superman badly and he clearly has no respect for the character beyond using him as an allegory for Jesus

 

[jorgoth]

So I've been watching it on HBO Max and I've gotten through ~48 minutes in one sitting, and it feels like I've been watching it for days. This whole thing is 2 hours 18 minutes, how the hell did that happen.

As for the "found family" narrative, this whole idea that all these people are "brothers and sisters". They're only together because the government put a fucking bomb in their fucking skulls. How much of a lonely sadomasochist do you have to be for THIS to be the fantasy about how you get your "found family"?

 

[Captain Syrup]

As for the "found family" narrative, this whole idea that all these people are "brothers and sisters". They're only together because the government put a fucking bomb in their fucking skulls.

"We're a family" is a hack story device for morons.

The kind of viewer who watches NCIS:LA religiously (for "chemistry.")

 

[jorgoth]

I blame Joss Whedon.

 

[proteus4994]

I blame Joss Whedon.

Blame Justin Lin for the “family” shit

 

[Captain Syrup]

I blame Joss Whedon.

The Scoobies were at each others' throats constantly. You know how ninety percent of Supernatural is just Sam and Dean sniping/bickering? He pioneered that.

Hollywood loves to manipulate people emotionally. Usually this is done by re-shooting the ending and adding more schmaltz.

 

[Mr. Zed da Robot Poon Fed]

The fact that this film was even made and released shows how screwed Hollywood is.

The DCEU could have been something great, but in the end, I think this venture is another victim of studio interference. Execs, in one way or another, interfered and wanted their own stuff in Batman vs. Superman, the first Suicide Squad and Josstice League, whch were all considered hot messes. They were so interested in catching up to Marvel that there were already too many inconsistencies and too many bad choices being made.

Now this movie has to go against the following to even make money:

• the Delta variant of the coof
• the HBO Max release (how does WB even make money doing this)
• the absolute state of the DCEU
• very unknown, bottom-of-the-barrel characters
• confusion on this film was a sequel or reboot

 

[Pocket Dragoon]

"We're a family" is a hack story device for morons.

The kind of viewer who watches NCIS:LA religiously (for "chemistry.")

Umbrella Academy is the best-worst example I can think of, not surprised it'll have emulators already.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

So I've been watching it on HBO Max and I've gotten through ~48 minutes in one sitting, and it feels like I've been watching it for days. This whole thing is 2 hours 18 minutes, how the hell did that happen.

As for the "found family" narrative, this whole idea that all these people are "brothers and sisters". They're only together because the government put a fucking bomb in their fucking skulls. How much of a lonely sadomasochist do you have to be for THIS to be the fantasy about how you get your "found family"?

I can forgive it here since most of the squad in this version are kinda retarded or have family issues so it works, don't really feel like they went through the whole "Family" stuff as hard as the first film where they felt more like disgruntled anti-heroes instead of criminals teaming up.

The fact that this film was even made and released shows how screwed Hollywood is.

The DCEU could have been something great, but in the end, I think this venture is another victim of studio interference. Execs, in one way or another, interfered and wanted their own stuff in Batman vs. Superman, the first Suicide Squad and Josstice League, whch were all considered hot messes. They were so interested in catching up to Marvel that there were already too many inconsistencies and too many bad choices being made.

Now this movie has to go against the following to even make money:

• the Delta variant of the coof
• the HBO Max release (how does WB even make money doing this)
• the absolute state of the DCEU
• very unknown, bottom-of-the-barrel characters
• confusion on this film was a sequel or reboot

Yeah Warner Bros really screwed the pooch but it isn't surprising they'd make so many dumb decisions given they have fucked up in deciding someone who doesn't like Superheroes to be their equivalent of Kevin Feige (who actually is a fan of the comics) and Warner's very out of touch mindset they still have since green lantern (where they made that movie with the idea of people liking the jet scene from Iron Man and hoped they can bank off that).

It doesn't help they're doing more dumb decisions with how they're making a black superman just to shield criticisms of racism for how they treated Ray Fisher.

 

[Captain Syrup]

Warner's very out of touch mindset they still have since green lantern (where they made that movie with the idea of people liking the jet scene from Iron Man and hoped they can bank off that).

It’s ironic that a movie based on a superhero whose power is derived from his imagination is so unimaginative.

I also like how the studio was scrambling to cover up the lackluster box office by claiming it was based off of a lesser-read superhero. Right, Hal Jordan is so obscure that you only spent $200 million on it.

 

[Product Placement]

The fact that this film was even made and released shows how screwed Hollywood is.

The DCEU could have been something great, but in the end, I think this venture is another victim of studio interference. Execs, in one way or another, interfered and wanted their own stuff in Batman vs. Superman, the first Suicide Squad and Josstice League, whch were all considered hot messes. They were so interested in catching up to Marvel that there were already too many inconsistencies and too many bad choices being made.

Now this movie has to go against the following to even make money:

• the Delta variant of the coof
• the HBO Max release (how does WB even make money doing this)
• the absolute state of the DCEU
• very unknown, bottom-of-the-barrel characters
• confusion on this film was a sequel or reboot

After Aquaman did over a billion, can't say the state of DCEU really puts people off watching these movies.

Well, HBO Max releases for movies, is WB understanding most of these movies won't be profitable on cinema alone, and that they really don't have much for HBO Max in 2020, due to bad planning and covid production delays.

So HBO Max releases will cut into the box office, but the logic is it will help HBO Max kept current subs, gain new sub and increases market share which it has done. But the question is has the new sub's gain from the same day movies covered the costs of those movies and will people stick around in 2022 when they stop this.

With that said many things WB could have done better. The main one is, very few places have HBO Max outside America, so if someone in the EU wants to see one of their movies but don't want to go to the cinema, they will either wait and maybe forget about the movie or turn to torrent sites. WB really should have done something where after 2 weeks, they were available to rent for a more premium price.

Another thing they could have tried is having the movies open a week or two early in the cinema only. Netflix has done this in the past before, so not unheard of. But guess the same day is better marketing-wise, then one week later.

 

[Mr. Zed da Robot Poon Fed]

Clip from Peacemaker.

 

[StarkRavingMad]

A little late, but I did see the movie when it was out in theaters. It was perfectly enjoyable and a lot of fun, even if it did nothing to re-invent the wheel.

I feel very "been there, done that" with comic book movies altogether at this point. Had this been the first Suicide Squad movie instead, then I think I'd have more interesting things to say about it?

Also, John Cena as Peacemaker is a bit distracting for me. James Gunn directed him like he was Chris Pratt's Star Lord. Some of the line deliveries feel exactly the same to me. Is it just me?

 

[Captain Syrup]

I feel very "been there, done that" with comic book movies altogether at this point.

As Brad Jones put it, every genre has its Heaven's Gate.

To put it in another context: Transformers was critic-proof, until suddenly it wasn't. People got tired of chasing that old high. Then it's onto the next kick.