The Suicide Squad - unnecessary white male director gets second chance

[SteelPlatedHeart]

The worst part about Zack is he epitomizes the pretentious type of people who dislike Superhero media. Sure capeshit is well capeshit, but even before that Snyder wanted to make everything like Batman Returns without understanding how it worked there.

His take on Superman was also bad because he made all of Superman's heroic acts look like they're bad things.

That and made his parents assholes.

 

[That Chris Guy]

I personally never saw DC films (even the snyder ones) as miserable, dark and gritty yes, but miserable no, I believe that the people who find them miserable or to quote my coworker "So depressing I lost the will to live" are either parroting some shill or are so used to watching MCU shit that they can't handle anything else, they would probably commit sudoku if they watched The road, but then again they did get triggered by a cgi bird getting balled. That being said I know I'm in the minority here

Spoiler

I think having MCU hangups is partially what hurt MoS/BvS at the time of their respective releases, and to be quite honest I think a lot of people are protective of the MCU and don't hold both universes to the same standards.

Regarding the bird killings, FFS it's not even real. That first scene is meant to establish how you should approach the film and its protagonists: Even though they are characters you are meant to follow and learn about in a comedic fashion, they are all bad people who were locked away for a reason. Killing an animal is supposed to be unsettling - it shows they lack empathy and obvious moral reservations, and will kill simply for the sport of it rather than as an order. They may have very human elements that are perfectly understandable, but they are also psychos who are sidestepping the death penalty in exchange for their service.

The second time just illustrates what a dick the antagonist is compared to the original counterpart, and once again, killing animals needlessly is a very fast way to be hated amongst audiences. The movie does this very well - I was not pleased at the idea of rainbow lorikeets getting torched either.

 

[Stasi]

Just watched the movie, have similar thoughts as what a lot of people here already said.

It was pretty good, kept me engaged during the running time but its nothing special, almost felt like guardians of the galaxy with extra gore but in a "I've seen this before" kind of way and not "oh this is great". The comedy was tolerable for the most part but a lot of the jokes didn't land for me and Harley Quinn was a charisma vacuum. Actually none of the characters were that interesting, I probably like groot the dumb shark the most which says a lot.

Its a decent movie, if you can be bothered to torrent stream it then give it a watch, there are worse movies to waste 2 hours on.

 

[Mary the Goldsmith]

I think a lot of people are protective of the MCU and don't hold both universes to the same standards.

Definitely I remember when BvS was announced and most criticisms where "Batman and Superman fighting? thats retareded they are friends they shouldn't be fighting", and then when Civil War was announced "OMG Captain America vs Iron Man!!!!?!?!?!?! Holy shit!" Same with the people mocking the leaked JL plots for being basically "Superheroes job and have to time travel to fix everything" when that is the exact plot of Endgame.
Going back to the topic of SS I just now learned Silvester Stallone is the voice of the shark I never recognized his voice, I feel dumb, more than usual.

 

[Captain Syrup]

That and made his parents assholes.

The mental gymnastics needed to rationalize this. "Post-911"? Comic book Jonathan lived through the f**king Depression; you don't seen him letting schoolkids drown.

 

[SteelPlatedHeart]

The mental gymnastics of fans who tried to rationalize this. The Kents being a bad influence on their son.

Comic book Jonathan lived through the f**king Depression; you don't seen him drowning school kids.

It’s amazing how with one “Maybe”, it shows just how a director does not understand a character at all.

 

[SteelPlatedHeart]

Definitely I remember when BvS was announced and most criticisms where "Batman and Superman fighting? thats retareded they are friends they shouldn't be fighting", and then when Civil War was announced "OMG Captain America vs Iron Man!!!!?!?!?!?! Holy shit!" Same with the people mocking the leaked JL plots for being basically "Superheroes job and have to time travel to fix everything" when that is the exact plot of Endgame.
Going back to the topic of SS I just now learned Silvester Stallone is the voice of the shark I never recognized his voice, I feel dumb, more than usual.

DC’s biggest problem is they tried to rush their Universe way too fast and had their “Civil War” movie as their second film, while “Civil War” was like their 13th. I’m not denying there are Marvel fanboys that will bash DC for being DC, but the fact that they tried to bum rush to their Justive League while Marvel had least planned theirs out fairly meticulously is a big reason why Marvel gets praised over DC.

Of course, their more recent stuff has been clearly less planned out and way too woke, and DC is doing a lot better with stand-alone over a Universe now. So there’s that.

 

[Mary the Goldsmith]

DC’s biggest problem is they tried to rush their Universe way too fast and had their “Civil War” movie as their second film, while “Civil War” was like their 13th. I’m not denying there are Marvel fanboys that will bash DC for being DC, but the fact that they tried to bum rush to their Justive League while Marvel had least planned theirs out fairly meticulously is a big reason why Marvel gets praised over DC.

Of course, their more recent stuff has been clearly less planned out and way too woke, and DC is doing a lot better with stand-alone over a Universe now. So there’s that.

yeah Warner never really knew what to do with the DC property they just wanted their avengers knock off now, but the thing is introducing the characters in one film can work, the Guardians of the galaxy where all introduced in the same film and people care, and the Justice League cartoon also introduces its characters in the same episode, we didn't need standalone films for each character before the team up, the problem is as much as I like BvS, they alienated the audience with that film, the normies that don't really care about the whole DC vs Marvel crap found that movie awful and to this day DC has never been able to shake the "Dark Depressing" moniker, I had a coworker who skipped on watching Shazam because he had just lost a loved one and wasn't ready to see a "Dark depressing" movie at the moment even though Shazam is probably the most lighthearted of the bunch.

 

[Product Placement]

It's funny DC failed their way into the type of cinematic universe they should have had in the first place, stand-alone movies which can have links to other movies or even some level of crossover. Rather than movies made to set up the next movie or some kind of big picture.

Not against a Justice League movie, but really don't want Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman and other movies to lead up to it. I want each to have a mostly stand-alone feel.

Only been three successful cinematic universes I can think of since Marvel, Other two are Monsterverse and the Conjuring, which are much closer to the stand-alone movies making up the cinematic universe. It's telling every other one has failed, and most of them wanted to go for the MCU style one.

 

[Oats12345]

It's funny DC failed their way into the type of cinematic universe they should have had in the first place, stand-alone movies which can have links to other movies or even some level of crossover. Rather than movies made to set up the next movie or some kind of big picture.

Not against a Justice League movie, but really don't want Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman and other movies to lead up to it. I want each to have a mostly stand-alone feel.

Only been three successful cinematic universes I can think of since Marvel, Other two are Monsterverse and the Conjuring, which are much closer to the stand-alone movies making up the cinematic universe. It's telling every other one has failed, and most of them wanted to go for the MCU style one.

Studios don't want to build up cinematic universes and just want to rush them so they can be like MCU well missing the point

 

[Product Placement]

Studios don't want to build up cinematic universes and just want to rush them so they can be like MCU well missing the point

That or some just bad ideas, such as the planned King Arthur and Robin hood ones.

 

[Gar For Archer]

It's funny DC failed their way into the type of cinematic universe they should have had in the first place, stand-alone movies which can have links to other movies or even some level of crossover. Rather than movies made to set up the next movie or some kind of big picture.

Not against a Justice League movie, but really don't want Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman and other movies to lead up to it. I want each to have a mostly stand-alone feel.

Only been three successful cinematic universes I can think of since Marvel, Other two are Monsterverse and the Conjuring, which are much closer to the stand-alone movies making up the cinematic universe. It's telling every other one has failed, and most of them wanted to go for the MCU style one.

MCU-style universes only work when there's someone on top given unilateral creative control who actually gives a shit about his job. It's straight up impossible to maintain continuity otherwise, because if nobody is there to put their foot down and enforce it (e.g. they actually have to care about it), the directors certainly won't do shit for them.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

MCU-style universes only work when there's someone on top given unilateral creative control who actually gives a shit about his job. It's straight up impossible to maintain continuity otherwise, because if nobody is there to put their foot down and enforce it (e.g. they actually have to care about it), the directors certainly won't do shit for them.

Yeah since the DCEU had two things going against it which is Warner Bros who didn’t give a shit about any story to tell and just wanted to rush to Marvel’s level without understanding why people liked it.

The other reason is that Zack Snyder as I’ve said before is a hack who doesn’t understand superheroes and wanted to basically make everything like The Dark Knight Returns in terms of tone while not knowing why it worked there.

 

[Captain Syrup]

Snyder wanted to make everything like The Dark Knight Returns while not knowing why it worked there.

It's clear he views every hero through the lens of Watchmen. That's what got him the gig, and it's likely what WB wanted from him in the first place. Like Kevin Smith said of Superman Lives, they are forever ruled by what they've already seen.

 

[KillThemCrackasBabies]

The other reason is that Zack Snyder as I’ve said before is a hack who doesn’t understand superheroes and wanted to basically make everything like The Dark Knight Returns in terms of tone while not knowing why it worked there.

iirc he admitted outright he doesn't like comics and says when he makes films out of them, he takes what he thinks "regular people" will find cool about them and just flings as much of it on screen as he can and worries about connecting it later.

 

[Mr. Zed da Robot Poon Fed]

I think a lot of people are protective of the MCU and don't hold both universes to the same standards.

That's easy to say, really because...well, the MCU set the standard. The real problem with with the DCEU is that it was trying to catch up to Marvel, hence you had moments where the marketing for BvS fucked up by showing Wonder Woman and Doomsday in their trailers when they could have just kept them out of the marketing for better effect. Or how in BvS, Wonder Woman just breezed through clips of the remaining Justice League on her computer. Compare to the MCU in the beginning, which showed Nick Fury only in post-credit scenes (with the exception of Iron Man 2).

yeah Warner never really knew what to do with the DC property they just wanted their avengers knock off now, but the thing is introducing the characters in one film can work, the Guardians of the galaxy where all introduced in the same film and people care, and the Justice League cartoon also introduces its characters in the same episode, we didn't need standalone films for each character before the team up

I...kinda disagree here?

You could introduce members from the Guardians of the Galaxy in each film separately because they're defined by that group. Would you really make a film about why talking raccoons in outerspace are a thing or how Groot came to be?

Justice League Unlimited had all the time in the world to develop its characters. The MCU doesn't. Each character probably gets only a fraction of development the TV show can offer.

 

[Mary the Goldsmith]

I...kinda disagree here?

You could introduce members from the Guardians of the Galaxy in each film separately because they're defined by that group. Would you really make a film about why talking raccoons in outerspace are a thing or how Groot came to be?

Justice League Unlimited had all the time in the world to develop its characters. The MCU doesn't. Each character probably gets only a fraction of development the TV show can offer.

How dare you disagree with me!? jk but I'll raise you a counter, Black Panther was introduced in Civil War, we didn't need a Black Panther solo before that to introduce him, and the movie itself is set up so he generates enough interest for his eventual solo film. But you can disagree with me, there's nothing wrong with that.

Spoiler: Autistic ramblings about the DCEU

I think the DC heroes that did need their solo movies before BvS, are the Superman, and Batman, yes Superman already had his solo film, but I feel the whole face off with Batman should have been his Third appearance, we should have gotten a Man of Steel 2, before BvS, Affleck's batman did need a solo film, in which we would see Robin be killed (maybe in flashbacks) it would serve to establish his more violent approach, Wondy imo is fine as she generated enough hype for her then solo movie, Aquaman should probably have gotten a solo movie before JL, I feel that Flash and Cyborg are fine with being introduced in JL and then have their individual films.
Both versions of Justice Leage end with Flash getting a job in the forensic lab essentially setting up his movie, if I was in charge I would have made the flash film the first of DC "Phase 2" films, it would have maybe Captain Cold as the bad guy, and tease Reverse Flash, but mostly as a cameo he wouldn't be the big bad yet, Here we would also have the Cyborg solo film, Wonder Woman 2, Aquaman 2, and I assume MoS 3, and Batman 2, Shazam would probably fit here as well, my overarching plot would be setting up the legion of doom as the enemies in JL 2, then "Phase 3" would start setting up Darkseid's arrival on earth. Anyways I'll take my puzzle pieces.

By the way, do you guys think we should have a DCEU general thread or not?

 

[Oats12345]

How dare you disagree with me!? jk but I'll raise you a counter, Black Panther was introduced in Civil War, we didn't need a Black Panther solo before that to introduce him, and the movie itself is set up so he generates enough interest for his eventual solo film. But you can disagree with me, there's nothing wrong with that.

Spoiler: Autistic ramblings about the DCEU

I think the DC heroes that did need their solo movies before BvS, are the Superman, and Batman, yes Superman already had his solo film, but I feel the whole face off with Batman should have been his Third appearance, we should have gotten a Man of Steel 2, before BvS, Affleck's batman did need a solo film, in which we would see Robin be killed (maybe in flashbacks) it would serve to establish his more violent approach, Wondy imo is fine as she generated enough hype for her then solo movie, Aquaman should probably have gotten a solo movie before JL, I feel that Flash and Cyborg are fine with being introduced in JL and then have their individual films.
Both versions of Justice Leage end with Flash getting a job in the forensic lab essentially setting up his movie, if I was in charge I would have made the flash film the first of DC "Phase 2" films, it would have maybe Captain Cold as the bad guy, and tease Reverse Flash, but mostly as a cameo he wouldn't be the big bad yet, Here we would also have the Cyborg solo film, Wonder Woman 2, Aquaman 2, and I assume MoS 3, and Batman 2, Shazam would probably fit here as well, my overarching plot would be setting up the legion of doom as the enemies in JL 2, then "Phase 3" would start setting up Darkseid's arrival on earth. Anyways I'll take my puzzle pieces.

By the way, do you guys think we should have a DCEU general thread or not?

Is the flash movie still being made? I haven't heard anything about it after Ezra Miller choked a peanut woman.

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

That and made his parents assholes.

That, and That...and the fact that all 3 of his movies are fucking garbage.

Batman gets into a shooting match with an Anti Air Gun OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING and the badguys don't kill the Hostage.

 

[Captain Syrup]

That, and That...and the fact that all 3 of his movies are fucking garbage.

Cavill and Affleck are the redeeming features. Some would say Irons deserved more screentime. (Alfred is fun. though he comes across more like a catty lover to Bruce, rather than a father.)

Unfortunately, in the case of Superman, that isn't enough. Superman is an ensemble. Jonathan gets sucked into a tornado, "Save Martha" makes no sense at all, Perry sends Clark to the Sports desk, Lois is teary-eyed in every shot, and Snyder admitted he killed Jimmy for his own amusement.