The lost boys problem - Social Media ain't for kids

[Big Miss Steak]

I don't think these are all "lost boys." I think a lot of groypers are just socially inept/awkward and internet-addicted. This leads them to look up to internet personalities instead of irl male figures.

I've said it before, but the only groyper I know irl is a veteran with a wife and kid.

 

[Tard Whisperer]

Yeah, this is one of the reasons I want to see AF brought down. I'm sure some of you guys also have the experience of being led very far astray as a teen or young adult. It's developmentally appropriate to rebel and seek your own path at that age. Even if you had parents who weren't complete failures, you aren't going to be completely immune to societal pressures and the temptation of things like AF might advertise itself as providing. There are plenty of other forces pulling those kids toward destructive paths: groomer adults online, technology designed to change their brains, conscience-destroying porn handed to them on a platter. I don't think it's as simple as the parents being inattentive or divorced.

I really do empathize with those young groypers and want to see them get out. There are plenty of them who do have other things going for them that they can still get out before they ruin their lives. And I don't believe that anyone is ever too far gone. Even if they were doing terrible things when they were part of AF they can still repair their conscience, make amends if needed, and be good and productive men by genuinely turning to Jesus (not in the fraudulent way Nick and other edaddies advertise Christianity as some sort of internet team.)

 

[Gravityqueen4life]

Sooner or later these kids will grow tired of being miserable and they’ll start looking for a real solution to their personal problems.

its sad most of those solutions will have bullets involved.

 

[REGENDarySumanai]

Find a hobby that doesn't require the Internet. Also, find Christ through a church.

 

[Swiss Beeze]

You have to be the niggerest of cattle to still be associated with America First, so it's a bigger win for society at large that these retards stay in their cult and eventually drink the cyanide laced Kool-aid Flavor-aid instead of being "saved".
They're not "lost boys", they're retarded men and I'm tired of society bending over backwards to accommodate people that would be filtered out in a better world.
Let them be put on watch lists.
Let them be doxed and forever unable to disassociate from AF.
Let them be rounded up and be put in those same Bible-free solitary confinement cells that the geniuses from Jan. 6 are still rotting away in.
Total Groyper Destruction means Total Groyper Destruction

 

[Bzk]

I don't think these are all "lost boys." I think a lot of groypers are just socially inept/awkward and internet-addicted. This leads them to look up to internet personalities instead of irl male figures.

I've said it before, but the only groyper I know irl is a veteran with a wife and kid.

I think Fuentes used to be solid for the most part, and I saw his informal "movement" serving as a relatively harmless outlet for younger people with right-wing predilections (who aren't edgelord, hate-filled neo-Nazis) to interact with like-minded individuals, but I really feel like there was a major shift in direction and mood in 2021 that ultimately landed us where we are today, with AF somehow managing to be more antisocial and optically fucked than TRS/NJP, which is really saying something. I'm quite confident that the overwhelming majority of young adults who were concerned about White demographic decline and the continual erosion of social morality - the people who made up Fuentes' audience prior to 2021 - have already abandoned whatever the fuck AF even is at this point and that the only people left are grifters, dumb teenagers, and legitimately mentally ill people.

 

[mold]

My hypothesis is that a lot of it is due to an inability on the parent's part

just a little edit

there's only one parent in these boys' lives

 

[Friend of Dorothy Parker]

no, there are none.

If they picked up a fucking book that wasn't written by an ODD syphilis-ridden Austrian, they might find some.

 

[mold]

If they picked up a fucking book that wasn't written by an ODD syphilis-ridden Austrian, they might find some.

you're retarded. what are they going to read, other than the gospels, that is going to make up for the total absence of male role models?

 

[Crashman11]

Stupid brainwashed Boomer parents want 'plug-and-play' kids, that work out of the box, like an appliance, and provide happiness to them without any effort or thinking.

And if the Kid isnt delivering as expected, they get neglected or treated like a bad investment or faulty appliance.

Lost desperate Kids who grow up like this will do and believe absolutely anything to fill this void.

they want human connection, to be valued/appreciated, be apart of something, to have the safety of someone there to help and mentor them, among other things.

Kids or young adults like this are very, very, easy to manipulate, literally like wet clay, the manipulator spends time with them, 'helps' with whatever problems they have and convinces them they will fill that void and more.

And then the kid will do and be anything for them.

It's no surprise to find an abundance of such lost young people in criminal gangs, cults, groomed by discord trannies, the military, or other abusive toxic relationships or situations.


I have more respect for animals in the street than i do for shitty parents.

 

[Broken Vending Machine]

The way i see the whole situation is, 2 fold.
First is "society is broken". They have been told the story's that every man has a wife 2 kids and picket fence as long as they put in the effort. That dream has been shattered by how the world has developed. You can bust your ass and not have a pot to piss in these days. With rising sentiment of hate towards them as white males in the west. So that develops a general apathy and disgruntlement to how the world is.
Second is "missing fathers" As many people in the thread have pointed out, physical male role models are not really all that common any more. But the issue is much deeper than that as well. Many young men lack the skills needed to face such a world who they see screeches at them for being WHITE MALES and so fall in to places where con men like Nick and the Tates can give them a group where they feel like they belong. They tell these boys, "that yes you can have that wife 2 kids and a picket fence, once we take over and kill the jews."
If you want to stop people like Nick from winning kids over. Tackle the issues, that they prey on for their source of fresh cat boy blood.
In my view, if you really wanted to stop AF, you would roll back on the white male hate.

 

[Big Miss Steak]

I think Fuentes used to be solid for the most part, and I saw his informal "movement" serving as a relatively harmless outlet for younger people with right-wing predilections (who aren't edgelord, hate-filled neo-Nazis) to interact with like-minded individuals, but I really feel like there was a major shift in direction and mood in 2021 that ultimately landed us where we are today, with AF somehow managing to be more antisocial and optically fucked than TRS/NJP, which is really saying something. I'm quite confident that the overwhelming majority of young adults who were concerned about White demographic decline and the continual erosion of social morality - the people who made up Fuentes' audience prior to 2021 - have already abandoned whatever the fuck AF even is at this point and that the only people left are grifters, dumb teenagers, and legitimately mentally ill people.

Fuentes has always been a spastic edgelord. He got recognition for his vitriolic slapfights with people on the Killstream around 2015/2016, where he was called "Nick the Knife." But I will agree with you partially - things got worse around 2020/2021.

 

[Spergichu]

why are the parents inattentive? keep in mind, we are only talking about the lost boys who gets suckered into fuentes catboi cult.

It all really boils down to just a few points as to why Nick continues to maintain an audience of maladjusted Zoomers.

• Even the most attentive and caring parents can't be with their kids 24/7. Meanwhile the Catboy Commandant always has a stream archive up for little Aspie Aaron to watch at his leisure.
• Many teenage guys find it difficult to relate to their parents, (Especially if they're autists with older parents) so they seek out younger role models to look up to.
• AF appeals to your average socially-inept teen because it is a online community of other social outcasts and autists. They're willing to overlook or partake in the degeneracy because it means they get to have friends.
• Many teens are looking for a political cause to throw themselves behind and Nick presents AF as a Right wing movement built on Traditional Christian ideals.
• Nick and other AF ped-I mean pundits offer a lot of superficial wisdom and advice in the same manner as Manosphere fags like Andrew Taint, which retarded teens eat up like hot cakes.

 

[Ultrapenguin]

This father figure nonsense is frankly kinda gay, and imo it's more of a meme.

The issue is about nothing more than role fulfillment. These guys aren't confident in how to act like men because they've never been in a situation where they've had to. Not because someone beat them and made them do it, but because there was no other option.

You don't need some daddy figure to teach you how to do that, even if you're around nothing but women nature will still make it clear.

Yeah, this is one of the reasons I want to see AF brought down. I'm sure some of you guys also have the experience of being led very far astray as a teen or young adult. It's developmentally appropriate to rebel and seek your own path at that age. Even if you had parents who weren't complete failures, you aren't going to be completely immune to societal pressures and the temptation of things like AF might advertise itself as providing. There are plenty of other forces pulling those kids toward destructive paths: groomer adults online, technology designed to change their brains, conscience-destroying porn handed to them on a platter. I don't think it's as simple as the parents being inattentive or divorced.

I really do empathize with those young groypers and want to see them get out. There are plenty of them who do have other things going for them that they can still get out before they ruin their lives. And I don't believe that anyone is ever too far gone. Even if they were doing terrible things when they were part of AF they can still repair their conscience, make amends if needed, and be good and productive men by genuinely turning to Jesus (not in the fraudulent way Nick and other edaddies advertise Christianity as some sort of internet team.)

I don't and I don't understand any of it.

From the time you're a small child you're bombarded with advertisements on TV, on the radio, in magazines, then there are religious figures, people on the street handing out pamplets, there's constantly some charlatan somewhere trying to sell you on some product or idea almost from the second you're out of the womb. By the time you're 16 you're already so used to all of it that nothing anyone on a screen says even registers.

What's so appealing about Nick Fuentes, or Andrew Tate? They aren't titans of charisma, in fact they seem pretty dopey.

This doesn't seem normal, unless something is seriously wrong and a person is desperate for something to connect with and something to define themselves by they aren't going to turn to these types of online extremist movements. And if they are desperate, then it has something to do with their environment.

 

[ToroidalBoat]

Damn, is KF defeatist.

To fix the problem of warped relations in Current Year America is to remove "lopsided relations" in dating.

I don't see that happening anytime soon, so the problem of "lost boys" doesn't seem to be going anywhere...

I noticed that there's lopsided relations in favor of women in Current Year America.

All you need to do to see that is true is to imagine if the situation were reversed.

 

[Bzk]

Fuentes has always been a spastic edgelord. He got recognition for his vitriolic slapfights with people on the Killstream around 2015/2016, where he was called "Nick the Knife." But I will agree with you partially - things got worse around 2020/2021.

I think his IBS performances were more about providing entertainment than appearing coherent and level-headed, like you could argue he was on his show for the first half of its existence, give or take. Now all of the content he puts out (though I'll admit I haven't seen much since things started turning to shit) is incessant, contrarian sperging about Jews and incels or whatever. I like to compare the early IRL events (Miami Uncensored, GLS, AFPAC 1/2) with whatever the fuck these retarded "Fuentes rallies" are.

 

[mister fireworks]

You’re looking at a tiny minority of weird faggots and extrapolating that to mean young men are fucked, have no real life connections, etc. no, just no. Anyone involved in internet shit whether it’s vtubers, debatefags or af or even kiwi farms added together is still an extreme minority of a minority, and the societal woes of zoomer men and women are not really affected one way or another by some super niche internet shit.

 

[Lieutenant Rasczak]

For every action there is an equal or opposite reaction. What we are seeing is a reaction to the simultaneous decay of community level institutions including the death of local clubs (a lot in part because of the advent of forums and online social groups) and in real life friend groups along with a reaction to third wave & intersectionality's a-logging of the very idea of masculinity. Add this with an elite which is apathetic with some elements that are antithetical to even the positive aspects of masculinity, narcissistic grifters, social media algorithms that promote negativity, ragebait, and a group of lost, depressed young men and the results are going to be detrimental to the social fabric by default. Some of them will end up in America First, the Manosphere, or whatever movement that will give them false hopes.

What Nick promises to these people is a warped version of the idealistic paleoconservative view of the 1950s without understanding what made the 1950s so socially stable and fulfilling compared to our current age. Simply put, he is a charismatic retard who's suckered young men in order to grift. In my personal opinion, deep down he has zero serious political aspirations and simply wishes for a permanent source of income without having to put in hard work to do so. All he has to do is act like a spastic /pol/tard and clueless young men will fork over money in droves in promise of something that is to never come. It's not a full approximation but I do 100% believe that the decline of social institutions is one of the big reasons why people like Nick have been able to thrive.

 

[You gain Brouzouf]

I think a lot of the AF crowd was brought in young enough that they never discovered what it is they really value as an individual and just adopted the values of AF.
The problem with that is, AF doesn't value anything maybe outside of AF's continued existence.
I believe the reason people like Fuentes revile women and openly promote pedophilia is in order to make sure that most of AF's members never find anything they may value over AF and feel trapped because of the things they've said or agreed with publicly.
Also, I get the feeling that a lot of these guys are totally friendless outside of AF with how they entirely devote themselves to it. Maybe the issue of most zoomers being totally soy infused drove them to a place where they thought people would be a little different.
The simplest solution to the lost boys problem is probably that these guys just need some normal friends who have some traditionally manly interests and who aren't a part of their cult.

 

[Big Miss Steak]

So do you guys think being gay ---> hating women or do you think it was hating women ---> being gay?

The former. Gays see women as sexual competition. Straight men will also tolerate some irritating female behaviors because they're attracted to them. Gays don't have a reason to tolerate or excuse irritating female behavior.

I think his IBS performances were more about providing entertainment than appearing coherent and level-headed, like you could argue he was on his show for the first half of its existence, give or take. Now all of the content he puts out (though I'll admit I haven't seen much since things started turning to shit) is incessant, contrarian sperging about Jews and incels or whatever. I like to compare the early IRL events (Miami Uncensored, GLS, AFPAC 1/2) with whatever the fuck these retarded "Fuentes rallies" are.

It was definitely more geared toward entertainment, but anyone who has been paying attention to Nick long-term knows he got popular from being edgy and explosive. The event that gave AF wind in its sails was their heckling of Charlie Kirk at TPUSA. Nick's worse now that he used to be but he was never coherent or level-headed (see his complete lapse in judgement in appearing at the Charlottesville event, for example).