The Handmaid's Tale

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Women (in general) are immensely stupid. They are not in any way fundamentally oppressed today... But they wish that they were, so much so that they gobble up fictional shit like this where women are treated as less than men like it was candy. You would be hard pressed to find a single person today (who isn't an MRA/MGTOW) who didn't believe that men and women deserved to be treated equally under the law... But you don't even have to look that hard to see that the law actually usually treats women *better* than it treats men.
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Many women do seem to love the big dick swinging "cavemen" type guys that are let's say a bit "forceful"

Feminism should have died when it came out that women were sending love letters to Ted fucking Bundy.
 
Women (in general) are immensely stupid. They are not in any way fundamentally oppressed today... But they wish that they were, so much so that they gobble up fictional shit like this where women are treated as less than men like it was candy. You would be hard pressed to find a single person today (who isn't an MRA/MGTOW) who didn't believe that men and women deserved to be treated equally under the law... But you don't even have to look that hard to see that the law actually usually treats women *better* than it treats men.
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Part of me wishes that third wave feminists could be reincarnated into eras and places where women were really oppressed. Like Imperial China, where concubines were little better than cattle and were, in some eras, routinely sacrificed so they could be buried with their Emperor.
 
I wonder how she feels about having fallen into the character actor slot she's stuck in: attractive-but-not-pretty-enough-to-be-threatening "female empowerment" lead.

From what I understand she's kind of made her own bed with that, demanding more screen time and influence on HMT. I'm honestly just sick of her thinking that glaring into the camera as a cheap man Kubrick option is empowering or threatening.
 
I'm 4 episodes into season 4 and I am feeling kinda burned out on this show.

In the first season, the plot was all about the people in the Waterford house (June, Serena, Fred, Nick, and Rita), with Emily, Janine, Moira, and Aunt Lydia rounding out the Gilead cast and Luke fucking around in Canada as a subplot.

Four years in, the plot has added Joseph Lawrence and added and subtracted Mrs. Lawrence and Eden, but we're still dealing with the same 10 people who somehow manage to be in the center of whatever drama is happening no matter how improbable. Like Moira just so happens to be directing everything when the plane with the kids gets in. And she just so happens to be in charge of getting the kids settled in their new homes.

The show handwaves the idea that's common in actual totalitarian governments that the ratio of true believers to secret dissidents is high so plotting the downfall of the regime would be almost impossible. Look at how hard it is to organize against troon shit in the modern USA, where misgendering someone can get you banned from the internet and cast into the outer darkness. I have to put on a "woke" face in my own house, FFS. But in the show, there's almost nobody in the Handmaid/Martha/Jezebel sphere who isn't a semi-open dissident.

There's also the issue of how ballsy and resourceful yet ineffective everyone manages to be. For example, attacking the train was kind of dumb. If you want to cut off Gilead's supply lines, why not destroy the tracks and derail the train? Poisoning the commanders at Jezebel's had some of the same problems. Hemlock is not some super rare plant, and it would be easy to throw a bit into a green salad to be served at the Gilead headquarters. Dress it with olive oil that's had poison ivy steeped in it. The main course could be a roast with wild onions and death camas. Serve braised Amanita mushrooms as a side dish.

Finally, I get why Gilead is keeping the handmaids alive, but how fucking dumb are they? Slaveowners sold the troublemakers down the river, and in Gilead, even handmaids and Marthas who seem compliant should be rotated every year or so. So literally everyone you know is in Boston? Let's dump your ass into Memphis with zero notice. Then you can do a rotation in Baltimore, or Portland, or Atlanta. Have fun organizing with a group of total strangers who will rat your ass out for a pound of sugar or coffee.

And why does the paddy wagon have a handle on the inside?
 
Many women do seem to love the big dick swinging "cavemen" type guys that are let's say a bit "forceful"

Feminism should have died when it came out that women were sending love letters to Ted fucking Bundy.
feminism or not, it's awfully ingrained in (some) women that it's their mission in life to "save/fix" men who are "broken" (whether jobless shiftless louts, or up to and including cereal killers), like some twisted florence nightingale syndrome.
 
I hope it doesn't become like the Walking Dead where it was the same shit every season, but the villain was different. June either needs to die, be imprisoned, or get to Canada soon. I do like how Rita told Fred about Serena's pregnancy though.
 
feminism or not, it's awfully ingrained in (some) women that it's their mission in life to "save/fix" men who are "broken" (whether jobless shiftless louts, or up to and including cereal killers), like some twisted florence nightingale syndrome.
Thank Jane Austen for that as her novels pushed that narrative onto women for the past 200 years. And western civilized men more interested in continuing the bloodlines and unwillingness to lobotomize the harridans when needed to.
 
Thank Jane Austen for that as her novels pushed that narrative onto women for the past 200 years. And western civilized men more interested in continuing the bloodlines and unwillingness to lobotomize the harridans when needed to.
It's probably been going on long before then, and it seems to strike people who never even read them, and it doesn't strike everyone that reads them.

That said, thank god I never read them. It would have pissed me off just reading about that garbage.
 
The first two seasons, the world building was exquisite. Season 3 was tepid and season 4 is outright bad. Everything since June left Boston has been nonsensical.

Why is there no security for June? How is she allowed to go to the grocery store? If Canada is also having a fertility crisis like Gilead, how is it safe for Nichole to go to the grocery store? Where does all the food in the grocery store come from? How did Luke and Moira move out of refugee housing into that nice, furnished house when he doesn’t appear to be gainfully employed and she volunteers with an NGO? Why were they apparently in the refugee apartment for 6 years? When did Emily get back together with whatsername? How did Rita become so chummy with Emily and Moira? Why does everyone from Gilead live in Toronto and not, say, Montreal or Ottawa? Why is everything so dark? Are there other people in the brutalist prison, or just the Waterfords? Why is the US ambassador to Canada in charge of the prisoners? Why are such high-value war criminals not in a more secure prison?

If Gilead is such a terrible regime that people get vanned for talking to the wrong person, are we still hanging out with the same 10 or so people we were hanging out with in the very first episode?????

My ability to suspend disbelief has been fractured and I’m not sure it’s coming back.
 
The first two seasons, the world building was exquisite. Season 3 was tepid and season 4 is outright bad. Everything since June left Boston has been nonsensical.

Why is there no security for June? How is she allowed to go to the grocery store? If Canada is also having a fertility crisis like Gilead, how is it safe for Nichole to go to the grocery store? Where does all the food in the grocery store come from? How did Luke and Moira move out of refugee housing into that nice, furnished house when he doesn’t appear to be gainfully employed and she volunteers with an NGO? Why were they apparently in the refugee apartment for 6 years? When did Emily get back together with whatsername? How did Rita become so chummy with Emily and Moira? Why does everyone from Gilead live in Toronto and not, say, Montreal or Ottawa? Why is everything so dark? Are there other people in the brutalist prison, or just the Waterfords? Why is the US ambassador to Canada in charge of the prisoners? Why are such high-value war criminals not in a more secure prison?

If Gilead is such a terrible regime that people get vanned for talking to the wrong person, are we still hanging out with the same 10 or so people we were hanging out with in the very first episode?????

My ability to suspend disbelief has been fractured and I’m not sure it’s coming back.
CANADA GOOD, AMERICA BAD. TRUDEAU GOOD, ORANGE MAN BAD. Also, near-universal infertility is bad for America, but a-OK for Canada (?!).

God I hate this series. Such a great concept but having fucks like Kelly Ripa say it's "Trump's America" for women is going full-retard. The A&N fag in me WISHES it was true, but then I realize religious fundies are just as fucked as SJWs (so in a universe like Handmaid's Tale, large scale human extinction is a desirable outcome).

This is why I don't watch this show. It somehow makes me more mad at the world than the real world does...
 
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CANADA GOOD, AMERICA BAD. TRUDEAU GOOD, ORANGE MAN BAD. Also, near-universal infertility is bad for America, but a-OK for Canada (?!).

God I hate this series. Such a great concept but having fucks like Kelly Ripa say it's "Trump's America" for women is going full-retard. The A&N fag in me WISHES it was true, but then I realize religious fundies are just as fucked as SJWs (so in a universe like Handmaid's Tale, large scale human extinction is a desirable outcome).

This is why I don't watch this show. It somehow makes me more mad at the world than the real world does...
Kelly Ripa is a disgrace. She claims to be catholic, yet she surpports the anti catholic show Handmaids Tale that openly lies about Catholics. She is just like Biden a fake catholic
 
Handmaid's Tale suffers from a common misconception on the left regarding the "Religious Right": that it is in any way a unified, monolithic group capable of maintaining a widespread grip on power without immediately succumbing to factionalism and splintering. It wouldn't last any longer than the leadership sitting down at the table to try and work out what their new fundamentalist state's doctrinal principals will be.
 
Handmaid's Tale suffers from a common misconception on the left regarding the "Religious Right": that it is in any way a unified, monolithic group capable of maintaining a widespread grip on power without immediately succumbing to factionalism and splintering. It wouldn't last any longer than the leadership sitting down at the table to try and work out what their new fundamentalist state's doctrinal principals will be.
There's a reason why there are many churches such as Catholic, mormon, prostant and so on. The thing that makes most Christians come together as of lately is the left.
 
Handmaid's Tale suffers from a common misconception on the left regarding the "Religious Right": that it is in any way a unified, monolithic group capable of maintaining a widespread grip on power without immediately succumbing to factionalism and splintering. It wouldn't last any longer than the leadership sitting down at the table to try and work out what their new fundamentalist state's doctrinal principals will be.

Even at its height in the 80's and 90's, the Religious Right was only powerful on a national level whenever they had backing from the corporate neocons. Otherwise, their influence was regional and fragmented at best.

Once the neocons no longer found them useful, the fundies wound up powerless and irrelevant except as a historical footnote.

You could say the same thing about Islam, but they still managed to field ISIS, the Taliban, and the rise of the Ayatollahs.

Margaret Atwood didn't put anything in her book that hasn't happened somewhere.

IIRC, the original novel was originally meant as an allegory for the Iranian Revolution and the rise of the Ayatollahs.
 
You could say the same thing about Islam, but they still managed to field ISIS, the Taliban, and the rise of the Ayatollahs.

Margaret Atwood didn't put anything in her book that hasn't happened somewhere.
Islam has two principle factions that have shown enough ability to be able to hold territory over very extended periods of time. Christianity only really had that to any degree under Catholicism, where the church held territories and exerted control over the rest (I don't think Eastern Orthodoxy had the same level of control, but I could be wrong). Once Protestantism showed up, the religious authorities no longer held civil power and the continuity of the institutions aren't as strong. But lefties don't do much hand-wringing over Catholics, despite them being the only denomination with any history of being able to hold the sort of power lefties claim Protestants do.
 
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