The Death Penalty - To what degree is it right or wrong?

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The death penalty should be used.

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ToroidalBoat dijo:
I never understood the argument why it's more expensive to execute someone than leave them to rot in prison for a lifetime.
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Legal battles, expensive medicine, the fact they never actually get executed. They just keep appealing until they drop dead from old age.

If they just hung them with rope from the tallest tree in town, it would be free.
 
It's isnt really that I object to take evil fuckheads life after he's done something abomidable. It's more that pretty much every system we've ever made for law are order doesnt work well enough to be entrusted with such judgement.

my smurt thunks on the subject

-The prosecutions success rate is statistical rather than analytical, effectively ensuring job success is measured by how many people you can send to their death rather than if you're doing a good job.
-Sooner or later you'll either get a crooked law enforcement or some bloodthirsty little freak in a system.
-it simply does not work as a deterant.
-If the state believes murder is a crime, the state becomes crimminal once it has inevitably killed in an innocent man.
-It seems cheaper just to lock them up and this gives more room for error.
-I can't imagine working in the execution sections of law and order is a particulary psychologically healthy experiance. Especially if someone you helped kill is retroactively cleared or you fucking hate them.
-Catharsis is bullshit anyway, your glee at some cunt who killed your kid getting hung isnt going to do anything for the horrible loss, the horrible aching pain is never going away or even really even eased.
 
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Singapore's use of corporal and capital punishment has created some of the lowest crime rates in the world. Western ethical concern for the guilty has created an appallingly unethical incarceration industry and whole swaths of cities fucked over by gang violence.
 
shartshooter dijo:
Singapore's use of corporal and capital punishment has created some of the lowest crime rates in the world. Western ethical concern for the guilty has created an appallingly unethical incarceration industry and whole swaths of cities fucked over by gang violence.
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Singapore, not America, is the greatest nation on Earth.

I'm seriously considering immigrating there after grad school.
 
It is never the morally correct course of action.
However, neither is war, and that's still necessary sometimes.
 
Apoth42 dijo:
The government is incompetent and filled with malicious people. No thanks.
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LOL I think you misread it.

There are cases where, for example, the guy commits the crime in front of 100 people, or gets caught in camera and it's undeniably them.

There's no reason not to execute if you have that many witnesses or have video so good it couldn't be misinterpreted.
 
Clop dijo:
To me the death penalty is a bad solution to a shitty problem. Before anyone climbs down my fucking throat, it's not black and white, there will always be those moments where you can't just say "no, never kill" - life would be so goddamned easy if anything worked like that. As a standard punishment it's just a bad use of resources and will inevitably have its share of innocent victims.

I've heard it numerous times; "What if you knew without a shadow of a doubt that the person was guilty?" and the answer from me will always be: "But I don't." Even one innocent victim of death penalty is bad collateral. It's not a question of whether the person deserves death, it's whether we deserve to be forced to kill a person as long as we have other options. You wouldn't trust your government to handle school lunches, let alone whether someone should die.

As for the "it's expensive to keep them alive" yeah, it is, because the courts and bureaucracy are fucking wasteful. I still wouldn't support the death penalty even if someone just volunteered to cap their ass with a shotgun. I also wouldn't fight the convictions of serial killers, rapist-slash-murderers who took down entire families like it was nothing being strapped to the chair. It should always be an absolute extreme option to an extreme problem with no repentance. If they want to find Jesus in their cells while they spend the rest of their lives in there, that's fine. If they're any threat to the prison staff or other prisoners, no mercy. As much as I hate the death penalty, I'm not looking to risk anyone's life for the sake of a principle.

But euthanasia, that I do encourage. A prisoner with a life sentence should have the freedom to choose death. Clean and easy, just write your name down and sit on the chair, no long-winded court appeals. Hell, just hand them a rope and say good night.
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except sociopaths/psychopaths don't convince themselves that their days are over. they will always think that they can get out of a situation, no matter how sticky. that's the whole issue of all-consuming narcissism. overall, though, a good proposal.

I should compound your point that I otherwise agree with: the question should not be are there individuals who deserve death? (because there absolutely are) but do we want to delegate the monopoly of execution to the state? my overall opinion is that the state should not have the ability to arbitrate capital punishment. what the alternative to that is, though, I don't know.
 
Admittedly I don't understand the aversion to the death penalty society has. Death is all around us, we kill for food, roadkill is incredibly common, pollution is causing rapid extinction, and as @Y2KKK Baby 's terrible but funny shitpost points out; we kill unborn babies because they're inconvenient. Why shouldn't we kill a serious criminal who is never getting out of prison?
I'd say give the death penalty to anyone who receives life in prison. I'm against it for revenge on the terrible criminals. Personally I'd agree they deserve some form of torture but on a legal sense it should just be quick like a bullet or a quick spike jabbed into the medulla oblongata. Cheap, easy and no real ethics involved aside from the action.
I do think laws should be changed and certain offenses or whatever mandatory minimum sentencing is involved should be reworked. I actually think being a bit more liberal with the DP could help change a lot of laws and maybe alter some of the judicial system for the better.

Also I really don't think the deaths should be televised or streamed or anything. Once some kind of entertainment/financial aspect gets involved with the DP it would have serious negative consequences.
 
It should be mandatory for all crimes. Shoplifting and jaywalking especially
 
I don't necessarily support the death penalty, but I think criminals who are handed lengthy sentences should be given the option of doctor assisted suicide. If someone would rather die than go to prison for a long ass time, why not let them die and save some money in the process?

SkeetNYeet dijo:
Admittedly I don't understand the aversion to the death penalty society has. Death is all around us, we kill for food, roadkill is incredibly common, pollution is causing rapid extinction, and as @Y2KKK Baby 's terrible but funny shitpost points out; we kill unborn babies because they're inconvenient. Why shouldn't we kill a serious criminal who is never getting out of prison?
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People are sheltered from death by a layer of abstraction, especially in wealthy parts of the city and suburbs. Dead animal out front? Call animal control. Want to eat meat? It's prepackaged for you. Want to show a gruesome abortion? You're a horrible monster that's trying to turn back the clock on women's rights. Death is all around but society has enabled people to put their fingers in their ears, close their eyes and pretend it's not.
 
shartshooter dijo:
Singapore's use of corporal and capital punishment has created some of the lowest crime rates in the world. Western ethical concern for the guilty has created an appallingly unethical incarceration industry and whole swaths of cities fucked over by gang violence.
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Can you really say that though? You have a city with heavily controlled immigration that only accepts people once they have a job. The jobs are extremely high paying (comparatively for the lowly paid immigrants) and every citizen has a stake in the country via mandatory investments in the state. The vice capitals of Asia (Thailand, Macao) are just an hour away by plane and doing internet scams would probably be the most profitable criminal activity to commit.

The country would probably be about the same without the brutal punishments.
 
I support the impalement of all major porn producers and distributors, legally and with due process by the state. It's the most ironic execution method and a perfect way to dab on all the coomers and big noses.
 
I support it, but I also understand that it has shitty implementation. It has problems like the wrong people being executed or people who deserve it are given long prison sentences instead of just being executed on the spot. I wish people who did evil, violent crimes could be executed and no one cared. I hate it when people stand up for dangerous criminals. I believe that some people can't be rehabilitated.
 
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