The Boys - An Amazon Prime adaptation of the Ennis comic series

[Local Farmer]

How much better would The Boys ending be if Ouie locked in and summoned Mahoraga?

 

[harmy.kook]

That's why I don't understand why people defend objectively shit media even if it "owns the chuds". I honestly wonder if Twitter and Bluesky engagement was taken away cutting off any validation dopamine that writing would markedly improve.

I stopped trying to understand and just started calling them "coping faggots". Like with that Superman movie from last year

 

[Zenos Yae Viator]

How much better would The Boys ending be if Ouie locked in and summoned Mahoraga?

we'd at least have a fun fight to watch, not that western writers know or care about writing or depicting cool fights.

 

[Kyria the Great]

Again, the biggest mistake the Boys made was not making Huey the main character like in the comics as he's the audience pov and the moral center of the Boys. Also having Butcher's wife be alive completely ruins his character as he's supposed to be irredeemable as the very supers he hunts so gleefully. It's why he keeps Huey around as he reminded him of his moral younger brother and as an insurance policy against his darkest urges deep down.

It's so bizarre that the show fumbled focusing that Vought was the real villain of the series as all the evil perpetrated by supers wouldn't be possible without their creation, protection, and or enablement of their actions.

 

[Dante Alighieri]

Again, the biggest mistake the Boys made was not making Huey the main character like in the comics as he's the audience pov and the moral center of the Boys. Also having Butcher's wife be alive completely ruins his character as he's supposed to be irredeemable as the very supers he hunts so gleefully. It's why he keeps Huey around as he reminded him of his moral younger brother and as an insurance policy against his darkest urges deep down.

It's so bizarre that the show fumbled focusing that Vought was the real villain of the series as all the evil perpetrated by supers wouldn't be possible without their creation, protection, and or enablement of their actions.

Yeah but if they did that how could Kripke make everything a big middle finger to the right and Trump?

 

[MrJokerRager]

 

[Sirfaggot]

I've followed it entirely through Homelander clips on YouTube: highly recommend. I seriously didn't even realize Jack Quaid was in the show until like a month ago.

Honestly the patrician's method of viewing The Boys. Just watch decontextualized Homelander segments for Anthony Starr's performance and ignore everything else. Take that golden ring out of the haystack and burn the rest of the farm.

 

[George Lucas]

He's also the pedo creep that had his self-insert OC take Kitty Pryde's virginity, so you now there's fucked up shit on his hard disk.

I hate these people.

 

[Chunky Salsa]

except he's white
that is legitimately the only thing that keeps him from being the victim in this painfully jewish story

It's the Deep/A-Train divide that exemplifies it so very clearly (Also the only 'good' and 'redeemable' member of Teenage Kicks is a brown, the two whites get brutally murdered and it's 'funny'). Because they are both violent, abusive, manipulative pieces of shit. But because A-Train is 'Der Nigger', he gets a redemption arc, while Deep gets violated, then killed; while Boglight has facial paralysis at the camera.

 

[Calandrino]

More like Ape-Train

 

[The greater a'tuin]

Feels like I'm the only person here who is completely fine with Homelander going out begging like a little bitch and don't think he needed any kind of "dignified" end.

My problem is more so that Homelander is way too weak and incompetent even before being depowered and is defeated too easily. If he was some kind of massive threat tearing up the streets and being seemingly unstoppable before he is stripped of his abilities then it would pack much more of a punch seeing a god-like figure of terror and destruction reduced to a cowardly and scared child in a man's body the moment he loses said power.

I agree, his downfall is undercut by how he tries fleeing twice while already at his strongest

Is there a good summary of the decline of this show? I am familiar with the original author, but a lot of you guys are dropping names and other inside baseball stuff that I am unfamiliar with.

Where do I start? I barely made it through season 2 of this show and bailed at some point in season 3. I have read this thread and random wiki entries since.

Stopping at season 3 was a good call, if only because the action is satisfactory enough. The in-universe parody movie set pieces are more epic than the actual final battle.

My question is why didn't A-Train have a more character fitting death like The Boys going to sabotage his Compound V injections and he dies from a massive heart attack taken seriously? I mean his reworked character is supposed to represent a declining superstar athlete and the radical steps he takes to keep his stop on top at all costs so why not have something thematic? Even could have him clutching his heart looking at Hughie in help, anger, and/or despair while dying with Hughie being mortified by this as while he's killing the man who killed his girlfriend, it's not cathartic all the while Butcher has a sneer or even a sadistic grin to really help sell he's a monster, just pointed at "right targets" at the moment.

Yeah he should have died after killing blue hawk, remember this fucker sold out supersonic and got Homelander to brutally kill him. Screw his redemption.

Like I said, it's really fucking bad when stuff aimed at a much younger audience, namely, My Hero Academia has a more thought out world (and better villains with actual motivations beyond "I'm crazy because no one loved me")

Mind you, nothing in the boys is as well done as this villain origin

https://youtube.com/watch?v=49S9qCgswEE
Kid kills his entire family because his quirk (or is it his?) activated and it turns out he turns anything he touches with all 5 fingers of a hand to dust, then scooped up by the diabolical main villain at just the right time.
More importantly to the origin, Tenko becomes a villain not because he kills his family accidentily, its because everyone in his life was a bystander to him, his family watched his dad abuse him, and after his family died, no one particularly cared about him, he was left to his own suffering by everyone around him, and this instills a deep desire to destroy society, one that could create a situation that created him.

MHA is better for lots of reasons, but it also goes too far with shoehorned pathos for every villain.

 

[Zenos Yae Viator]

MHA is better for lots of reasons, but it also goes too far with shoehorned pathos for every villain.

I agree to a very slight extent, by the modern era, there would only be so many reasons to be an actual super-villain, ideological or some sort of trauma, which almost all the "newer" villains fit into, though not every last one.

even still, pathos or not, they are never absolved, this isn't Naruto, people like Overhaul are getting sent to prison FOREVER for their henious crimes, it doesn't matter if his end goal was noble, he's monster, and he's treated as such, same with almost every villain, sure some of them have crybaby backstories, but they are almost all punished to the full extent of the law without any punches pulled.

Ideologically my favorite of the villains is Stain, because he was absolutely correct that the Hero gig became all about celebrity or making money, and thus all of society was built on shakey ground, and almost completely collapsed once challenged, and he was so committed to the bit he ran face first to his death to keep his ideals.

 

[HektorInspektor]

Okay so I've only watched S1 of the boys but man do I have so much problems with the world building of this show that I'm just wondering about.
So compound V is an enhancer that when given (to a child), transforms them into a superhero.
Tell me WHY THE FUCK does the US government refuse to allow supes in the army? Supes are fucking lethal weapons! With them they can end any conflict they want in seconds. This is United States were talking about, the global superpower that will assrape any country that even touches them (and also anything that can make them money). An ENTIRE military legion would not even come CLOSE to one homelander. Imagine the wars with Superheroes around: A-Train can just speed through the Gaza Strip and run through all Hamas members. This show was made in 2019, when Donald was president. His administration would definitely do this and would be over the moon.
With Compound V, NO OTHER COUNTRY has tried to steal some of the juice or at least replicate it? What???
This is a drug that gives someone LITERAL GODHOOD. And the US is just fine with this shit being protected by a private company? I can't imagine whatever retarded reason they'd give as to why this is in the later seasons. China has snuck in so much intelligence from the pentagon it's embarrassing. Them and Russia would plant sleeper agents disguised as janitors to smuggle vials and blueprints to make their own supes. You can't expect me to believe that Vought just has had all this shit hidden from the entire world for literal decades and no one even broke through.

 

[God of Nothing]

Okay so I've only watched S1 of the boys but man do I have so much problems with the world building of this show that I'm just wondering about.
So compound V is an enhancer that when given (to a child), transforms them into a superhero.
Tell me WHY THE FUCK does the US government refuse to allow supes in the army? Supes are fucking lethal weapons! With them they can end any conflict they want in seconds. This is United States were talking about, the global superpower that will assrape any country that even touches them (and also anything that can make them money). An ENTIRE military legion would not even come CLOSE to one homelander. Imagine the wars with Superheroes around: A-Train can just speed through the Gaza Strip and run through all Hamas members. This show was made in 2019, when Donald was president. His administration would definitely do this and would be over the moon.
With Compound V, NO OTHER COUNTRY has tried to steal some of the juice or at least replicate it? What???
This is a drug that gives someone LITERAL GODHOOD. And the US is just fine with this shit being protected by a private company? I can't imagine whatever retarded reason they'd give as to why this is in the later seasons. China has snuck in so much intelligence from the pentagon it's embarrassing. Them and Russia would plant sleeper agents disguised as janitors to smuggle vials and blueprints to make their own supes. You can't expect me to believe that Vought just has had all this shit hidden from the entire world for literal decades and no one even broke through.

look
ennis is kind of fucking retarded and thinks being bulletproof and able to fly wouldn't be beneficial in a war

 

[TheHarbinger]

Tell me WHY THE FUCK does the US government refuse to allow supes in the army?

It's just poor world building and writing. But also massive plot holes. We actually see the NYPD recruit Mesmer to solve crimes. The FBI and police should have been using the psychic superheroes to find serial killers and act like human lie detectors. The President should have had super powered members of the Secret Service. But Soldier Boy was in the U.S. Army as well as several other superheroes. It's just the writers not paying attention to their own world.

With Compound V, NO OTHER COUNTRY has tried to steal some of the juice or at least replicate it? What???

Once it was announced that Compound V was real it should have caused WWIII that very hour. It's just more poor writing. And proof that literally all superhero stories are nothing but capeshit. And even superhero parodies and satire can ever rise above being nothing but pure capeshit.

 

[Mystery Spy]

Am I the only own that thinks that Stormfront was defeated too early?

I will die on the hill that she was a massive upgrade from the comics.

I mean she was a nazi so I am under no delusion they weren't gonna kill her and have her suffer. I just think she had the potential to be a bigger menace. Unlike sister Sage she was actually smart, and genuinely charismatic. She could have caused far more damage.

The boys having to deal with Homelander and her for longer would have upped the stakes massively.

The writers were so politically poisoned they couldn't even fathom the idea of making the Nazi girl win a little longer, for the sake of making the plot darker and more satisfying when she would eventually lose. They really could have had their cake and eaten it too.

 

[Dragged Into Sunlight]

Again, the biggest mistake the Boys made was not making Huey the main character like in the comics as he's the audience pov and the moral center of the Boys. Also having Butcher's wife be alive completely ruins his character as he's supposed to be irredeemable as the very supers he hunts so gleefully. It's why he keeps Huey around as he reminded him of his moral younger brother and as an insurance policy against his darkest urges deep down.

It's so bizarre that the show fumbled focusing that Vought was the real villain of the series as all the evil perpetrated by supers wouldn't be possible without their creation, protection, and or enablement of their actions.

The most logical thing would be Homelander turning against Vought, not the US government. But you're right, he couldn't have done his Trump allegory.

 

[Buckaroo]

Am I the only own that thinks that Stormfront was defeated too early?

The actress was awful, so if anything they had her stick around too long. You could see her body tense up and her skin crawl whenever she had to say anything racist.

 

[Samuel Fuller]

The actress was awful, so if anything they had her stick around too long. You could see her body tense up and her skin crawl whenever she had to say anything racist.

Not to mention she was the most Jewish-looking Nazi ever.

 

[Mystery Spy]

The actress was awful, so if anything they had her stick around too long. You could see her body tense up and her skin crawl whenever she had to say anything racist.

I personally did like her as a villain. Not everything was perfect, but when she was playing the social media game, and the charismatic influencer role she was really good.

But I do agree in that everyone was scared of doing a nazi character straight due to the stigma. The writers wouldn't make her win long term, and the actress couldn't fully commit.