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The Amazing Digital Circus - Western Isekai that probably will become Hazbin Hotel killer
A blank space for whatever Jax's troon name would be. For some reason the artist didn't have the balls to pick something themself. Jacqueline seems the obvious one to me. Why do trannies insist on picking names that are so wildly different from their real name? Is it really just to make everyone's life more difficult? It's never something easy like John becomes Jane, or Daniel becomes Danielle.
Never mind I'm actually just retarded. I thought this was in universe characters signing a "grats for coming out" card.
A blank space for whatever Jax's troon name would be. For some reason the artist didn't have the balls to pick something themself. Jacqueline seems the obvious one to me. Why do trannies insist on picking names that are so wildly different from their real name? Is it really just to make everyone's life more difficult? It's never something easy like John becomes Jane, or Daniel becomes Danielle.
You can't just drop that on us and walk away. You can apologize by giving a detailed explanation on how the plot of Korekara Boku ga Shibuya-san is relevant to this thread. I am reading it right now and I don't really see how this fits in with the Clussy show discussion.
Must I? So be it, as penance for acting the autist, but let's not derail the thread any further after this.
Cliff notes: doujin is about a bullied dude who turns the hot bitch who bullies him into a hollow skin to wear and becomes her. First wants to ruin her life by fucking an ugly bastard, but later decides to live it normally in her place, partly because he's happier as her and partly out of spite because "I could live your life better than you". Yes, I read the whole thing. No, I didn't fap to it. I literally was thinking to myself, "If this doesn't sum up the whole phenomenon, I don't know what does."
Ignoring the sex, the dude's attitude is the entire fucking point of the troonism trend as described by the "better than women" line on KF's front page. It's the belief that men would bake metter women than women themselves do. The whole incel-to-trans pipeline we've been talking about revolves the division of the female sex into troublesome real-life "foids" and fantasy "waifus" and the dude is a bullied incel who takes over the life of a perceived "foid" and fashions himself into a "waifu" in her body, not only because he thinks she's better like that but because he thinks the life of a hot chick with tons of friends was better than his current life of being an impoverished lonely loser whose parents hated him.
The parallels here are striking. Young dudes with troubled backgrounds, lousy home lives, and unhealthy relationships with the opposite sex gain a twisted idea of each sex's roles in society, and decides that the delusional headcanon he made about how the other sex should be is not only better than the reality of said other sex, but better than his own reality, and so strives to be a sort of "Female 2.0" as a happy whore who makes money with her body and is loved by everyone. Do I even need to go into how many trannies online get into it because it gets them off, and then do shit like start an OnlyFans?
Now, how does that relate back to Jax? Lot of the same story beats. Didn't get along with his parents, told he's a disappointment/not a man, is portrayed being happier in an alternate life where he becomes his perceived "ideal female" instead of being the bitter, antisocial loser he currently is. I've seen this tons of times in the past--I used to frequent Facepunch, which later became Knockout, and a lot of the users there fell into the same archetype: "I was an angry loser, I wanted a waifu, then I decided I could be the waifu!" Cue an entire forum full of troons. This is a fetish for many of them--as evidenced by the doujin--but a fetish that many of them have tried to flesh out into an entire identity. It's unhealthy, it's delusional, and it solves none of their underlying personal issues, but they like to fantasize of it as a panacea that'll fix everything both about themselves and the life around them. Again, the whole "transitioning would have fixed her" beat.
Linking to the doujin was a dunderheaded move. In my defense, and knowing how autistic this makes me sound and therefore isn't much of an improvement of my current position, I was looking at it entirely from a literary perspective.
Now then, I readily take the L on this one. Negrates go directly below.
Transitioning means nothing in a world where everyone is sexless and isn't even physically "human." It would be so much better if they could discuss what being human means vs being a weird digital clone but that's not the story Goose wanted to tell in episode 9. Jax was just a fucking sperg who couldn't get his shit together because nobody in his small circle was able to tell him to fuck off. I guarantee you there are a lot of us out there that grew up in broken homes who had to finally find peace with their past. Jax had found friends in the circus and nobody knew who he was before the circus. But all the characters, given that they are "human", clocked him right away as a man because of the voice, height, low-hanging overalls. Go back to the dialogue from Ragatha in episode 3. That was the only time her and Gangle were able to tard wrangle him and we didn't even get to see it happen on the screen.
It would be so much better if they could discuss what being human means vs being a weird digital clone but that's not the story Goose wanted to tell in episode 9.
Ya know, it's really weird that the characters didn't really dwell on the fact that they're only mental clones, not real humans, and they their real selves will never know that they even exist, what they've experienced, all the things they've felt, etc. Real interesting angle for existential introspection but nah fuck that, gotta focus on making the irredeemable abusive sociopath a tranny and having a cry fit over his neckroping instead.
i literally spent zero seconds watching this show but because of all the drama around the last episode i watched a few analyses of the show from a diverse range of people, and i thought the most interesting take came from some gender non-conforming individual who theorized that Jax was not MTF, but rather transmasc. Looking back through the show it sorta made more sense to me.
The Ladies first joke makes more sense since Jax is biologically a woman
Jax gets mad about the maid outfit because it's the cast poking fun at the fact that he's actually a woman, as it's a side he doesn't want to bring up
Caine created the bodies of new members of the circus per their desires (zooble is given interchangeable parts) and so he made Jax male
In the beach episode while talking with him, Zooble talks about feeling comfortable with the fact they can change their body while having a literal copy of Jax's hand. Zooble also clocks the fuck outta Jax all the time.
Jax's flippant and antagonistic attitude comes off as someone trying to create an image of themselves. A woman acting like she thinks a man would act, for instance.
Jax's mom separated from Jax's dad and proceeded to offload all the frustration and rage off on Jax, who, being a confused kid decided she was trans, gets in fight with mom when she comes out, mom is furious, knocks her down. Jax leaves puts on the headset, and from there we get to the show. Ribbit putting the bow on Jax symbolizes an effort to have Jax be comfortable and at peace with "her" past, and this then ties into the idea of Remember better. Jax, trying to be masculine presenting, rather than accepting the vulnerability pushes Ribbit away, and then leans more on the dude bro Kaufmo to try and prove to Ribbit that she is wrong, and pushes her away as a result. Zooble and Jax are two sides of Goosework's view on their transition: Zooble is the side that is accepting of the idea transitioning, while Jax is the side struggling with the past, but reconciling that even it has it's merits as a part of you. It also makes the ending with Jax being Leeroy make more sense. He's found himself as Leeroy, and since transitioning is now in a better space mentally and physically. It was a more nuanced and developed take for me.
Mind you i didn't watch any of the rest of the show. i only got interested in the ending because of the drama, and that i believe in unbridled art. I spoke with an irl friend who was much more invested in the show and he was frustrated. He felt Gooseworks co-opted what was an interesting story to make it their own. I agree, but because I don't have an interest in the rest of the show I found it absolutely fascinating, like a more concise and cleaner version of "The People's Joker." The second half in particular also reminded me heavily of episodes 25, 26, and EoE from Neon Genesis: Evangelion. It was like looking directly inside someone's brain and them laying out for you exactly how their synapses fire. It even had a strangulation, and Isn't She Lovely just felt like a cheap man's Komm Susser Todd in it's use. I'm glad Stevie Wonder is blind so he doesn't have to see this.
Knowing what I know now about the show the entire thing doesn't fit the plot of the show and if you're trying to tie the entire product together the finale is a disasterpiece. As a standalone thing with no knowledge of the rest of the episodes it's a massive dive into the mind of the creator. Say all the negative things you want about Gooseworks, but this did start as an indie project. I certainly know I could not lay my trauma bare and so brazenly for anyone to see, and as a fan of unbridled art i have to respect that. Also extremely surprised that Glitch productions allowed this, since it was extremely popular and they could've drug Gooseworks out of the writing room in a straitjacket and sent in a crack team to massage the hell outta this thing. Also crazy they put their own product on the line to put it into theaters when it was going to be free 2 weeks later. That's a good sign that a company is going to these lengths and I find it commendable.
And in terms of legacy i think this will have staying power in more ways than just being the trans show. It's presence in a more legitimate space with glitch has the potential to cause more production companies to turn to indie media and potentially cause a big boom. The whole idea of unbridled art is that is causes changes, and even if it's not *good* something better might come from it. I'm holding out hope for that something better.
If there was a second season/spinoff he'd unabstract by trooning out and literally just turn into: Ver archivo adjunto 9176845Ver archivo adjunto 9176843
and the season finale would be him releasing an incredibly successful indie cartoon pilot but still being an emotionally unstable and terminally online weirdo so he'd be having constant crashouts over very mild shit and trolling his own social media for giggles. Oh wait...
I have to say, I find these images hilarious and I'd genuinely probably enjoy an entire season/spinoff where Jax is like this...
but such a thing might end up promoting messages like "transitioning isn't an instant fix to all your problems." or "being trans doesn't entitle you to treat people like shit." or heaven forbid, "maybe you can be trans and just chill out for a while." Which would probably cause the terminally online trans members of the audience to riot in the streets.
You're more optimistic than I am about that. Look at how Celeste went from a precision platformer about depression to "the trans game", coincidentally also from the trooned-out author unable to resist the urge to throw a bit about le heckin' gender into the ninth and final chapter, which is now all anyone talks about. And that incident went on to do irreparable damage to an entire generation. So many young dudes got caught up in the troon fad because of that game, and it was also just an unrelated piece of media which got co-opted at the very last second. And then that was followed shortly after by Bridget's character assassination and the TTYD remake bullshit, which only exacerbated the issue.
This is what they do. This is how they recruit. They take existing works and make them "the trans [x]" in order to push the fad on boys already invested in those works--and it's always boys, you never see this bullshit promote FtM. But they know how repulsive it is. They know know any work which starts that way will automatically turn audiences away from it (oh hello, Concord). That's why they gotta infect other's works and use them as trojan horses.
The Ladies first joke makes more sense since Jax is biologically a woman
Jax gets mad about the maid outfit because it's the cast poking fun at the fact that he's actually a woman, as it's a side he doesn't want to bring up
Caine created the bodies of new members of the circus per their desires (zooble is given interchangeable parts) and so he made Jax male
In the beach episode while talking with him, Zooble talks about feeling comfortable with the fact they can change their body while having a literal copy of Jax's hand. Zooble also clocks the fuck outta Jax all the time.
Jax's flippant and antagonistic attitude comes off as someone trying to create an image of themselves. A woman acting like she thinks a man would act, for instance.
It would be interesting since there's not that many Pooners in these levels, it's always a tranny, a (what do we call non-binaries) or actual men and women. Thanks for nothing Cooper.
hat's not to say Jax is a complete monster in the metaphorical sense, but all his flaws, all his toxicity are human. He's a person. He fucks up. He makes mistakes he can't take back. All he does is hurt others and himself, and that resulted in him becoming a monster in the literal sense. I think Jax could've been a great example of how trans people are... well, people. People mess up, and not in the Steven Universe sense of "Oh, you did something really bad. Let's talk about it and it'll all be better". Real, legitimate, unfixable, unforgivable mistakes.
The fact that this sentiment would've also come FROM a trans creator would give it more weight. Goose always talks about how he hates that the fandom keeps sucking his dick or whatever, and yeah, trans people shouldn't be put on a pedestal just because they're trans. They should be treated like any other person capable of doing as much good as they do harm.
I don't disagre but i don't think goose's goal with Jax was ever to show how trans people are human and flawed as anybody else. I think goose created Jax as an excercise in self hatred.
Jax is explicitly goose's self insert and goose never gave jax any benefit of doubt ever. Goose always made sure to remind people to not make excuses for jax, that despite being his favourite character he is not a good person and is irredemable etc.
Even post death, goose doesn't imply Jax was a victim of circunstance (which he was in the circus) or a flawed human, he says "if only Jax wasn't a piece of shit, he could've been happy". I believe Goose thinks Jax is him from a bad timeline. What he would've become (DEAD) if he didn't transition and stayed a "piece of shit". The past self that he hates.
But no matter how goose tries to hate jax, his narcissim forces him to portray Jax as a bigger victim than his own victims. Every female related to Jax is simply a tool to enhance the tragedy of his character. Ragatha is a fake cunt who validates his cynicism, gangle is a crybaby for him to bully, zooble is his dysphoria denial, ribbit is the fridged girlfriend, pomni is the failed "i can save him" fantasy, his mom is the PSTD catalyst, etc
This is why creators trying to make "human flawed transgenders" fail, because they make the entire universe spin around the troon's angst. It's the same problem steven universe had, where he can kill someone and it's about how sad HE feels.
Afterall, Why would the current year post-fandom internet care about zooble or ragatha over jax? They didn't even get their own episode while Jax got an entire show about him. He is the one that matters. The main character.
I agree, this post is basically what I figured would "make sense" if Jax were a tranny, but I didn't want to dedicate the time required of my brain to consider it in such detail.
Here's a fun fact: Congress understood that letting copyright strangle culture would be evil, so they passed a law mandating rates and everything to do with covering a song. Put simply, no one can tell a cover band or anyone else that they can't use his song, but he can get payment at a certain rate from it. Most negotiations, I'm to understand, regard getting a rate lower than the rate specified by law.
Unfortunately, Congress became dysfunctional before it could pass similar laws for new forms of media.
Edit: I got bored and looked this up. Anyone curious may read more about it here.
I think the best approach if they want to continue the series / earn income would be to have an ATHF style continuation where everything is back to normal and nobody ever acknowledges what happened in the previous episodes ever and big funny happens.
Seriously, why do all these recent ‘adult comedy animations’ end up so lore heavy and continuous? A big part of comic animation is being able to torture/maim characters with no consequences.
The problem with the "no filler" mindset so many showrunners are taking nowadays is that it tricks them into thinking that they should never spend time on things outside of the main plot. Which is why often they struggle to flesh characters out. Another thing is that it's hard to do lore stuff in an episodic series (at least off the top of my head), so I doubt many modern indie projects will bother with that over choosing serialization.
There are already some videos after the leaks happened a while back relating to Jax being trans. I'm already seeing plenty of people on social media back pedaling on Jax's character after them being trans was revealed.
it comes off like the equivalent of jingling a bunch of keys in a child's face to distract them from criticizing the character. Most of the "fans" in the community already act like children. At least the stuff that came out from the leaks were funny. And the drama surrounding it before the final episode got released.
