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This version of the Resistance has freaking troop transports? It's like with each subsequent film the resistance looks less like the rag tag remnants of humanity teetering on the brink of extinction, and more like a highly advanced, well equipped and supplied armed force.

T1 - dirty looking, living underground like rats, using weapons they salvaged on the battlefield, and 'home made' stuff.
T2/3 - slightly cleaner looking, but still faithful to their portrayal in T1.
T4 - early stages of the war, makes sense they'd be better off before things took a turn for the worse.
T5 - clean cut with perfect teeth, Kyle is jacked, John's smiling and cracking jokes, the resistance looks formidable.
T6 - They might as well be he UNSC from Halo. They're well equipped and have augmented soldiers.

What's next? The resistance gets Star Ships?

 

[Judge Holden]

Haven't seen it but I'm not surprised. All this "You hate Ghostbuster 2016 because you hate WHAMMIN" is provoking an overreaction. People are starting to assume "Stronk wammin" = shit by association.

Yeah, this has been something I was worried about for a while.

Using women/ethnic minorities/gays/whatever as a meatshield against criticism and as a blunt object to attack any who voice dissent is making a lot of people reflexively get suspicious when they see big franchises/corporations/creators produce work with women/ethnic minorities/gays/whatever as main characters, solely because of the idea it could just be another case of shitty creators using a scumbag tactic to silence criticism of their lazy corporate slop and thus is not worth watching at best, and worth actively opposing at worst, despite the fact that before this tactic became so widespread in hackland a diverse cast was the most mundane and uncontroversial thing imaginable since atleast the 80s.

This in and of itself is annoying due to the fact that even the most sincere and genuine works produced with diverse cast will have to deal with people being ultra sceptical and overly critical because of an automatic assumption of bad faith, but what makes me really worried is that the corporations bankrolling this and who sponsored the chucklefucks behind the meatshield strategy will almost certainly decide after a few more Dark Fate tier fuckups that "oh well the problem is obviously having women and brown people in our works, so lets dial that right the fuck back" and spend the next decade punishing these demographics for the cynical and insincere tactics of a handful of douchebag media creators

 

[JohnDoe]

Killing John brutally on camera was a MASSIVE mistake which crippled the movie

I think the word we're looking for here is SPITE. Having a not-Skynet have a not-Judgement Day with not-Terminators that needs a new savior of humanity is stupid and lazy, but one might be able to forgive that. Killing the beloved former savior in the first few moments as plainly as throwing out the garbage is just spiteful, and the seething hatred for the fans and would-be audience is palpable. That is the big mistake of all these Woke movies, just plain outright spite and hatred.

As it turns out, people aren't drawn to spite.

But I look at something like Creed 1 and 2 which has "POC" representation in the lead roles, and managed to be well received both critically and by the existing Rocky fanbase. Why is that? Because they didn't transform the series into something it wasn't, or told the existing fanbase they were bigots if they didn't like it. They presented something good, we all loved it, and everyone was happy.

Creed is a fantastic counter-example, thank you.

 

[That Chris Guy]

I think the movie's failure is they don't understand that both Sarah AND John Connor need to be in the same movie for it to operate well. The dynamic between the two is the strongest investment anyone had in T2, and bringing back Linda was a correct first step. But no, they butchered John and made T2 seem futile - the T-800's sacrifice was for nothing.

When John died later after fulfilling his fated mission it was fine, but they just offed him here with no respect for the source material. It was Alien 3 through and through, and Cameron's a hypocrite for greenlighting it. Even the whole thing with Carl was ridiculous - a machine as single-minded as a T-800 would not just decide to integrate and marry. It would either close itself off in an expertly-hidden room where it would power down to await the Future War, or (this one is more likely) it would destroy itself to prevent evidence of its existence from inadvertently changing the timeline: to preserve the future it was instructed to protect. This Pinocchio-like mentality that was used in the film was childish and so bereft of logic it was painful to think about.

 

[BrunoMattei]

I think it failed among the general audience simply because it was another remake of Terminator 2.

 

[RJ MacReady]

Learning that James Cameron was directly responsible for a lot of the painfully stupid creative decisions made in this film has me suspicious about Avatar 2, which comes out relatively soon (considering how long it's been in production) and seemingly has no hype or marketing behind it yet despite being the first of four sequels to a billion dollar film.

 

[BrunoMattei]

Learning that James Cameron was directly responsible for a lot of the painfully stupid creative decisions made in this film has me suspicious about Avatar 2, which comes out relatively soon (considering how long it's been in production) and seemingly has no hype or marketing behind it yet despite being the first of four sequels to a billion dollar film.

I want Avatar 2 to bomb so fucking bad. No one gives a fuck about Avatar anymore. Just let this shit die and fuck 3D gimmicks.

 

[RJ MacReady]

I want Avatar 2 to bomb so fucking bad. No one gives a fuck about Avatar anymore. Just let this shit die and fuck 3D gimmicks.

It needs to kill it for the IP to survive and now I'm not sure it will. There's been a string of articles in recent years about Avatar's paradoxical lack of cultural impact. I hadn't thought about it in years until I was reading one such article, which proved the point. The public hunger for a sequel largely passed with its media honeymoon in 09-10.

 

[The handsome tard]

Unpopulat opinion: THE SETUP of avatar wasnt bad.
What they needed was ambiguity, maybe show navi on navi tribe wars, malevolent clans with the humans helping out the "good" clan.
Also they needed more difficult situations, for example, the movie loves to come up with easy ways out of tough and yet interesting situations, like with the female navi having to accept the fact that the one she loved didnt exist for real and is actually a short creature with non functional legs (leading to sort of a maybe or maybe not interspecies relationship, trying to deal with the physical barriers )
Humanity needed more good co existence with the navi and the navi needed more bad co existence with their own kind. It all felt too cartoonishly black and white.
The planet of Pandora is fascinating, it just needed a better story but the plot of modern humans and tribal aliens interacting sounds way more interesting than whatwe got.

 

[Dom Cruise]

I think the movie's failure is they don't understand that both Sarah AND John Connor need to be in the same movie for it to operate well. The dynamic between the two is the strongest investment anyone had in T2, and bringing back Linda was a correct first step. But no, they butchered John and made T2 seem futile - the T-800's sacrifice was for nothing.

When John died later after fulfilling his fated mission it was fine, but they just offed him here with no respect for the source material. It was Alien 3 through and through, and Cameron's a hypocrite for greenlighting it. Even the whole thing with Carl was ridiculous - a machine as single-minded as a T-800 would not just decide to integrate and marry. It would either close itself off in an expertly-hidden room where it would power down to await the Future War, or (this one is more likely) it would destroy itself to prevent evidence of its existence from inadvertently changing the timeline: to preserve the future it was instructed to protect. This Pinocchio-like mentality that was used in the film was childish and so bereft of logic it was painful to think about.

It's just the latest trend of Hollywood trying to breath new life into old franchises because they'd rather do anything than try something new.

Before the "woke" trend there was the trend of trying to make everything "realistic" and "gritty" following Batman Begins and The Dark Knight, with stuff like the first few Daniel Craig Bonds and Terminator Salvation, I think that trend ended with the lame 2014 Robocop remake.

Unpopulat opinion: THE SETUP of avatar wasnt bad.
What they needed was ambiguity, maybe show navi on navi tribe wars, malevolent clans with the humans helping out the "good" clan.
Also they needed more difficult situations, for example, the movie loves to come up with easy ways out of tough and yet interesting situations, like with the female navi having to accept the fact that the one she loved didnt exist for real and is actually a short creature with non functional legs (leading to sort of a maybe or maybe not interspecies relationship, trying to deal with the physical barriers )
Humanity needed more good co existence with the navi and the navi needed more bad co existence with their own kind. It all felt too cartoonishly black and white.
The planet of Pandora is fascinating, it just needed a better story but the plot of modern humans and tribal aliens interacting sounds way more interesting than whatwe got.

The setup of Avatar is not bad at all, but the morality of the movie is so simplistic that it's actually creepy, I just get bad vibes from the whole thing, it was basically misanthropic and looking back it actually anticipated woke culture to some degree.

 

[The handsome tard]

It's just the latest trend of Hollywood trying to breath new life into old franchises because they'd rather do anything than try something new.

Before the "woke" trend there was the trend of trying to make everything "realistic" and "gritty" following Batman Begins and The Dark Knight, with stuff like the first few Daniel Craig Bonds and Terminator Salvation, I think that trend ended with the lame 2014 Robocop remake.



The setup of Avatar is not bad at all, but the morality of the movie is so simplistic that it's actually creepy, I just get bad vibes from the whole thing, looking back it actually anticipated woke culture to some degree.

Navi reparations much?

All the corporate assholes were straight white males, sooo...you might be onto something..

Meh, im a writer at heart, so I always enjoy looking at failed concepts and try to make it better. Hell, show that humanity tried diplomacy multiple times at first contact but almost all were hostile. Honestly, Avatar would have worked better as a series of books or something you see on a streaming service.
What if there was an evil death goddess the bad clans worshipped? Those navi could have been redish or something.
I dont know, im actually trying to make this interesting.

 

[Manwithn0n0men]

Navi reparations much?

All the corporate assholes were straight white males, sooo...you might be onto something..

Meh, im a writer at heart, so I always enjoy looking at failed concepts and try to make it better. Hell, show that humanity tried diplomacy multiple times at first contact but almost all were hostile. Honestly, Avatar would have worked better as a series of books or something you see on a streaming service.
What if there was an evil death goddess the bad clans worshipped? Those navi could have been redish or something.
I dont know, im actually trying to make this interesting.

So Avatar suffered from lots of story problems

#1 Avatar relies HEAVILY on Gnostic themes and Symbolism BUTTTTTTTTTT

It doesn't use those Symbols correctly. Basically using the Gnostic Language of the Movie Jake Sully and friends work for Satan and help Satan defeat god. Combine that in with the Enviromentalist themes and umm....Satan wants you to save the Planet? Shits wild man.

#2 The Navi use advanced technology but they dont use HIGH technology

The Technology (especially materials technology) used by the Navi is very advanced and very well developed. But they just...STOP. And they commune with their ancestors so they have the ability to use the collective computing power of a whole planet and....they just don't? There is nothing that explains that shit

#3 Unobtanium is a problem

So you take Jake Sully (a crippled person) pay for a 15 year commitment of his time. [Albeit because they already sinked money into the Avatars]. Every single person is a 1-15 year time commitment. They invested in a massive complex, war ships, mining equipment, a battalion of soldiers, a massive diplomatic and academic arm....

How much is Unobtanium actually worth and what is it for?

Years of diplomatic effort have been exhausted and their last card in their deck is essentially genocide.

What are the stakes that drive to that?

 

[Damocles_Sword]

The Navi use much higher tech than they let on. You think a world where every plant and animal has a USB port the magically tall, strong, attractive, and durable sentient life can plug into and control is natural? Bitch, that whole planet is artificial. Let's not forget that Jake Sully never even TRIED to negotiate with the navi. That's before getting into the points that every character was 1 dimensional (ironic for a movie trying for the spectacle of 3d), and the overall message was white man bad. I didn't like the movie the one time i saw it and quite honestly, James Cameron stopped being a great filmmaker for me because of this movie. It's no wonder that dark fate bombed.

 

[The handsome tard]

So Avatar suffered from lots of story problems

#1 Avatar relies HEAVILY on Gnostic themes and Symbolism BUTTTTTTTTTT

It doesn't use those Symbols correctly. Basically using the Gnostic Language of the Movie Jake Sully and friends work for Satan and help Satan defeat god. Combine that in with the Enviromentalist themes and umm....Satan wants you to save the Planet? Shits wild man.

#2 The Navi use advanced technology but they dont use HIGH technology

The Technology (especially materials technology) used by the Navi is very advanced and very well developed. But they just...STOP. And they commune with their ancestors so they have the ability to use the collective computing power of a whole planet and....they just don't? There is nothing that explains that shit

#3 Unobtanium is a problem

So you take Jake Sully (a crippled person) pay for a 15 year commitment of his time. [Albeit because they already sinked money into the Avatars]. Every single person is a 1-15 year time commitment. They invested in a massive complex, war ships, mining equipment, a battalion of soldiers, a massive diplomatic and academic arm....

How much is Unobtanium actually worth and what is it for?

Years of diplomatic effort have been exhausted and their last card in their deck is essentially genocide.

What are the stakes that drive to that?

I really think that they should have either thought that up better or maybe simplified this.
They should have focused on the alien aspect of Pandora, not try to make it a comparison and contrast to Earth's enviroment (especially to say how mean we are to it). Honestly, I would have written this to be taking place way longer after humanity landed on Pandora, perhaps a few more decades, maybe Jack would have worked better as someone younger and maybe born from a human colony ON Pandora or at least he had enough experiences on Earth to remember how Pandora is weird in comparison.
I also remember how aparently the Navi were suppose to be more reptilian in nature and maybe even four arms? Meh, I will be honest, I would have prefered if there was a clan of Navi that resembled more tha design, something more brute-ish that could have given the humans and navi a common enemy while humans start manipulating both sides for their own gain.
Man, I think its starting to sound like some sort of anime, right down to a young man and alien "monster" girl. I guess with this type of story, it just would feel right at home there. But it could still be pulled out in live action. For me it just shows how Cameron put the FOCUS of the story in the wrong direction.

Edit:
Well, you know Terminator Dark Fate was so lame, people prefer to talk about "what could have been" with Avatar instead of it. Give Avatar some damn credit, it had (and maybe still has) potential to work out, Terminator's plot was done after 2.

 

[Manwithn0n0men]

The Navi use much higher tech than they let on. You think a world where every plant and animal has a USB port the magically tall, strong, attractive, and durable sentient life can plug into and control is natural? Bitch, that whole planet is artificial. Let's not forget that Jake Sully never even TRIED to negotiate with the navi. That's before getting into the points that every character was 1 dimensional (ironic for a movie trying for the spectacle of 3d), and the overall message was white man bad. I didn't like the movie the one time i saw it and quite honestly, James Cameron stopped being a great filmmaker for me because of this movie. It's no wonder that dark fate bombed.

Yeah no the Planet was blatantly artifical. Thats another element of the story that would have made more sense then what they went with

 

[The handsome tard]

Yeah no the Planet was blatantly artifical. Thats another element of the story that would have made more sense then what they went with

Some theories and fanfiction ideas were way more fascinating than anything Cameron intended. Sad, really.

 

[Dom Cruise]

So Avatar suffered from lots of story problems

#1 Avatar relies HEAVILY on Gnostic themes and Symbolism BUTTTTTTTTTT

It doesn't use those Symbols correctly. Basically using the Gnostic Language of the Movie Jake Sully and friends work for Satan and help Satan defeat god. Combine that in with the Enviromentalist themes and umm....Satan wants you to save the Planet? Shits wild man.

I’m sure it was intentional, in 2007 James Cameron produced a documentary about the supposed tomb of Jesus, I get a creepy vibe from him.

 

[BScCollateral]

I want to see a film with an alien race who naturally cooperate with one another and try to live peacefully with the universe.

And they are all stupid as rocks because they don't compete with one another.

 

[kobebyarlant]

Hey more praise of the game and not the movie!

 

[The handsome tard]

Hey more praise of the game and not the movie!

As many flaws as it may have, the game doesnt insult fans and then claim they are racist and sexists for not liking it.