Terminator: Dark Fate - Cause we need another one of these apparently.

[Jub-Jub]

This looked like shite. Then I got to the point in the video with the Terminator Spiders.

Wow.
Edit:
It keeps getting worse.
Dude meets an asian girl that looks like she's at least 19 and a caucasian boy aged 7. They are siblings. And the boy's VA sucks, holy shit does that guy's VA suck.

Did you check the comments? Lots of them saying this looks good... it looks more boring than budget titles on the original xbox.

 

[Dolphin Lundgren]

Shit like that still happens to this day. "Blue is the Warmest Color" is confirmed to be just the director's wank material. He even filmed a 10-minute unsimulated lesbian sex scene with butt slaps and all. All the feminist commies from Cannes ignored that and gave him a "Palme D'Or" anyway, hilarious.

Has anyone seen Larry Clarke's movies? They seem like wank material films too.

 

[The handsome tard]

Did you check the comments? Lots of them saying this looks good... it looks more boring than budget titles on the original xbox.

Most negative comments are "hidden" aka shadow-banned because youtube doesnt allow different opinions.

 

[TaimuRadiu]

So has anybody here actually seen the movie? How was it?

 

[Ahriman]

In all honesty, I think the best Terminator game has been released long, long time ago.

I still hate the truck level, but man it was pretty cool at the time. Looking back, and considering what the franchise has become, we should be thankful we got at least 1 decent videogame out of it.

Never got the chance to play the arcade game back in the day, I might as well fire up MAME and give it a go.

Also,

>mfw you stop and think that Commiefornia might very well look like this in 10 years

 

[Poe-Shen Zcela]

So has anybody here actually seen the movie? How was it?

It was computer-generated ass, but it had its moments.

I reviewed it back here on page 29/30: https://kiwifarms.net/threads/terminator-dark-fate.56648/post-5541144

Continued here: https://kiwifarms.net/threads/terminator-dark-fate.56648/post-5543073

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>mfw you stop and think that Commiefornia might very well look like this in 10 years

California could use a nuke or two to clean up all the shit, drugs and pedophiles.

 

[The handsome tard]

California could use a nuke or two to clean up all the shit, drugs and pedophiles.

Nuke it from orbit!
...Its the only way to be sure.

 

[Rakdos92]

There hasnt been a SINGLE good terminator game, there were decent ones Im sure but there wasnt like, true classics like Alien Isolation

What would a good Terminator game even be like?

 

[Travoltron]

Sunsoft was making their own Terminator game for NES, but ended up losing their bid to some shitty companies like LJN.
They stripped the Terminator imagery from it and released it under the name "Journey to Silius".

Somebody has done a fan restoration to try and make it a Terminator game again.

The Terminator

Sunsoft originally planned to make a Terminator game for the NES. They lost the license, and we all

www.romhacking.net

 

[BrunoMattei]

Sunsoft was making their own Terminator game for NES, but ended up losing their bid to some shitty companies like LJN.
They stripped the Terminator imagery from it and released it under the name "Journey to Silius".

Somebody has done a fan restoration to try and make it a Terminator game again.

The Terminator

Sunsoft originally planned to make a Terminator game for the NES. They lost the license, and we all

www.romhacking.net

I covered that in the thread in the Game sub-forum. The sprite work is great in the romhack but they fucked with the hit-detection and made the game much harder. There's also input delay when jumping.

 

[Travoltron]

I covered that in the thread in the Game sub-forum. The sprite work is great in the romhack but they fucked with the hit-detection and made the game much harder. There's also input delay when jumping.

You should email them and see if they can fix it in a revision. Although I usually don't ever get a response from these fan hackers. They seem like an insular crowd. I wish I had their talent because there are so many vintage games that need fixing.

 

[Poe-Shen Zcela]

Decided to go through a bunch of Terminator-related articles that popped up in my Google feed this week:

Box Office: ‘Terminator’ Flops For Third Time In Ten Years As ‘Dark Fate’ Nabs $29 Million Weekend

Terminator: Dark Fate bombed this weekend because, for the third time in a decade, audiences have shown that they do not care about Terminator movies.

www.forbes.com

Box Office: ‘Terminator’ Flops For Third Time In Ten Years As ‘Dark F…

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Several of them happen to be from Scott Mendelson of Forbes, so this will be a brief delving into the man's psyche regarding this franchise.

If I seem angry about this, I am. I’ve been warning about this for years. This isn’t 2009 or even 2015, when I could point and laugh at the chutzpah on display and move on. This is 2019, a time when theatrical moviegoing is in deep peril from streaming, VOD, social media and countless once-unthinkable distractions and competition for the entertainment dollar. Boneheaded plays like making the third failed Terminator reboot in ten years only makes folks that much less likely to look at theatrical moviegoing as not just a less convenient form of entertainment but an inferior form of entertainment. Moreover, using the Force Awakens formula on a far-less viable franchise, complete with three female heroes (one of which is technically a senior citizen and another of which is Hispanic), is a cruel trap that allows folks to point and make “get woke/go broke” jokes.

Oh I bet you're real salty about that, Scott, even though the same criticism ended up applying to Star Wars too, after the brand's good will ran out. The truth hurts.

Terminator: Dark Fate is a box office catastrophe because audiences do not have an interest in seeing more Terminator movies, period.

No, people still enjoy watching Arnold as a Terminator. They're not interested in a anorexic grandma, a beady-eyed Dyke-1000, and a Mexican shortstack pretending to be action heroes & fighting an unthreatening, Marvelized Mexican Terminator.

People would still enjoy seeing this:

7 Reasons ‘Terminator: Dark Fate’ Was A Box Office Disaster

'Terminator' isn't 'Star Wars,' Arnold Schwarzenegger isn't a movie star anymore and audiences have shown three times in a row that this isn't a franchise that justifies top-tier blockbuster budgets.

www.forbes.com

7 Reasons ‘Terminator: Dark Fate’ Was A Box Office Disaster

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As of this posting, the Tim Miller-directed and James Cameron-produced Terminator: Dark Fate has earned $29 million domestic and $124 million worldwide following a disastrous global launch. The Linda Hamilton/Arnold Schwarzenegger/Mackenzie Davis/Natalia Reyes/Gabriel Luna flick was released by Paramount in North America and Fox/Disney overseas (outside of China), cost $185 million and will probably lose all parties over $100 million. It is one of those monumentally misguided pursuits that annoys me to no end, both because it was painfully predictable and because it does real damage to the entire industry. For now, I will focus on why it was painfully predictable. So, without further ado…

I think Dark Fate is more of a symptom than part of the problem. Studios are desperate to stay afloat in the midst of a media juggernaut like Disney, so they will spring for whatever pre-existing lifeboat or driftwood of an IP they can access. If anything you should be talking about the Disney monopoly damaging the entire entertainment landscape, let alone the film industry.

Terminator: Salvation and Terminator: Genisys were rejected by audiences.

I talk all the time about the “Tomb Raider Trap,” which is when a lousy franchise-starter becomes a hit through preordained interest and hype despite being lousy, and then the superior sequel (in this case, The Cradle of Life) pays the price. Think, offhand, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Out of the Shadows, Addams Family Values and (relatively speaking) Ouija: Origins of Evil. Well, Terminator: Dark Fate may have been better than Terminator: Salvation and Terminator: Genisys, but audiences were still burned by those two. Moreover, those two were not themselves box office hits, earning $371 million in 2009 on a $200 million budget and $441 million (including a frontloaded $113 million gross from China) in 2015 on a $155 million budget. Like Saw VI paying for the mediocre Saw V, even Dark Fate being “the one you’ve been waiting for” wasn’t enough when moviegoers had already said “Eww… no!” twice before.

I don't have much to say about this one, except it seems to be the inverse effect of what's happened to Star Wars.

Terminator movies need to stop costing $150 million-plus.

I will admit not having watched The Sarah Connor Chronicles, but those who did have generally nice things to say about the two-season Fox drama, namely that it offered decent TV-sized action and spectacle while dealing with the various issues and possibilities brought about by the initial sci-fi premise. Like Star Trek, there’s a case to be made that the stuff folks like about the franchise aren’t exclusively the mega-budget spectacle elements. Maybe, like Paramount’s mega-budget Star Trek reboot flicks (which overspent chasing Marvel-sized overseas grosses), the Terminator franchise was never really meant to be a tentpole-sized action spectacle and Terminator 2: Judgment Day (released at the prime of Schwarzenegger’s stardom and unique unto itself in the summer of 1991) was the exception to the rule. Point being, had Dark Fate cost $85 million (which, like Gemini Man, looks like it cost around $85 million), instead of $185 million, we’d be having a very different conversation.

I agree. There should be more to a Terminator film than just trying to outdo T2's action set pieces. They should be different movies. That being said, I'm not sure I'd trust Tim Miller and company with $85 million anymore than I would with $185 million. Deadpool's action and CG was good for your typical Marvel blockbuster film, but not for Terminator.

The reviews were better, but not good enough.

Fox opened Terminator: Dark Fate a week early in 12 overseas territories, critics saw and reviewed the film well in advance of its global rollout. So, the word got out early and that word was… fine? Look, I’m on the “no” side of the fence, but only just barely (I like Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines just fine, thank you much). The film has its pleasures, such as strong performances, a solid dialogue-driven second act, some big, if muddled and poorly edited, action sequences. But “the best Terminator movie since T2” consensus doesn’t mean much when most folks hated the last two and liked or were indifferent toward Rise of the Machines. Considering the damage done to the franchise by the last two films, and the new normal (where folks no longer go to the movies just to go to the movies), Dark Fate needed to be Fury Road-level good to win folks back.

Incidentally Junkie XL also did the soundtrack for Fury Road, not that it helped Dark Fate much. Fury Road was fun for one watch, but not so good I needed to watch it again. It was at least successful.

I will say that Fury Road had much better chases than Dark Fate, that's for damn sure. Makes me wonder what a George Miller directed Terminator film would look like...

...shit, that could be fucking awesome. Just set it in the Future War and off you go. The music doesn't sound half bad either. I should watch this movie again.

Arnold Schwarzenegger hasn’t been a movie star in 20 years.

While the kind of movie star that puts butts in the seats is in painfully short supply these days, to where even Will Smith needs a franchise/IP play, Schwarzenegger has been struggling since End of Days in 1999. That movie, his first since his much-panned performance in Batman & Robin and heart surgery two years prior, was sold as a comeback vehicle, but it underwhelmed with $211 million worldwide on a $100 million budget. Except for Terminator 3 ($433 million on a $170 million budget in 2003) and Expendables 2 ($314 million on a $100 million budget in 2012), every other Schwarzenegger vehicle since Eraser has disappointed or outright bombed. Think, quality notwithstanding, The Sixth Day, Collateral Damage, The Last Stand, Escape Plan, Sabotage, Expendables 3 and Terminator: Genisys. Like a lot of 80’s and 90’s stars, but he’s been trying to “come back” for longer than he ever was “back.”

I don't think it's so much that he's the problem as it is that the people making these movies are the problem. For all the flops he's been in, people still like Arnold as an actor. Yeah, he'll never be at his prime again, but that's what we've got newer folks like Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson for. Even Brett Azar could have a future like that, given the chance.

Applying the Force Awakens formula didn’t work because Terminator is not Star Wars.

Way before anyone had been cast in The Force Awakens, I argued J.J. Abrams and friends should use the preordained blockbuster status of Star Wars VII to rebut conventional wisdom about who could star in global blockbusters. Lucasfilm gave us a Star Wars trilogy starring Daisy Ridley, John Boyega and Oscar Isaac, and Force Awakens earned $2.068 billion worldwide. Overseas audiences had zero issue with a big-budget sci-fi flick that didn’t star a bunch of white men. However, as we’ve seen in the last decade, onscreen/offscreen inclusivity will not get audiences to see a movie for which they have no interest. Audiences wanted to see Star Wars, so the inclusive cast was either not a detriment or an added value element. Audiences didn’t care about Terminator, so what worked for Force Awakens (a diverse cast of newbies with the franchise stars anchoring a loose remake of the most popular installment) didn’t work for Dark Fate.

Nevermind those characters were shit though, right Scott? All you care about is ticking boxes, except "white male". You're right that nobody really gives a shit what sex or skin color the actors are as long as their roles, their performances, and the overall film are good, but you're wrong if you think the only people who had problems with them were bigots. God I fucking hate this faggotry.

Audiences do not care about the Terminator franchise.

The likely massive financial loss incurred by Terminator: Dark Fate can be attributed to many factors, but the biggest is that audiences don’t care about Terminator. The first film was a pulpy B-movie sci-fi horror flick that was a small-scale hit. Judgment Day was an event unto itself, like Rambo: First Blood Part II (at least Stallone eventually stopped spending mega-money on Rambo sequels), whose $520 million success did not guarantee a lifelong fandom. Rise of the Machines did fine but Salvation and Genisys, released in a world where big-budget franchise flicks were par for the course, proved Terminator was no longer special, and audiences didn’t care. That is why I’m furious. Hollywood is getting hammered on all sides by a deluge of (often mediocre) streaming and VOD content, and their answer is offering, as a prime theatrical attraction intended to be an event movie, something that audiences have specifically & explicitly rejected twice before.

Yeah dude, Terminator isn't Star Wars. Nothing is Star Wars. The only franchise I can think of that either exceeds it or comes close is Marvel. So this is a moot point, but you may be right in that it shouldn't have tried to compete with superhero movies.

T2's success didn't guarantee a lifelong fandom? Then why are studios still trying to make a sequel to it 20 years later, moron? Obviously there must be something there to keep wasting money on hacks for.

You're closer to being right if you said the fandom is small compared to the likes of Star Wars, but both T1 and T2 are hallmarks in American cinema nonetheless. I doubt anyone's going to forget about them anytime soon. What audiences don't care about are either misguided or lazy, uninspired cash grabs, which is all the Terminator has gotten since T2, give or take some exceptions like T:SCC.

Review: ‘Terminator: Dark Fate’ Is The Second-Best ‘Terminator 3’

Giving the franchise the 'Force Awakens' treatment, 'Terminator: Dark Fate' only comes alive when it dares to make its own fate.

www.forbes.com

One of the reasons I was among the few initial critics to pan Star Wars: The Force Awakens was that I was concerned at how its success should shape the industry. There’s a case to be made that The Force Awakens was a necessary evil, acting as training wheels before Rian Johnson’s Star Wars: The Last Jedi took the training wheels off and pushed the bike down a hill. As I feared, the success of Lucasfilm’s franchise-reviving template, which to be fair was preceded a month by Creed, offered Hollywood a new way to juice old franchises, remaking the first (or second) installment with a mix of old and new characters for a fan base that mistook repetition for quality. So, when I say that Dark Fate is the Force Awakens of the Terminator franchise, that’s not a compliment.

100% agreed, Scott, except for the "necessary evil" part (though I understand it isn't necessarily something you agree with). It's just the culmination of the manipulative hack factory that is JJ Abrams' Bad Reboot studios. I'm hoping The Rise of Skywalker will represent the denouement, or the falling action.

Lost in all of this ret-conning and table-setting is the sense that we’re getting a new story. There’s nothing to match the bleakness of Rise of the Machine’s astonishing climax, the heartbreaking fate of Miles Dyson in Judgment Day, or initial horror of Terminator’s first hour. Yes, it’s great that the new savior is a young Hispanic woman and that the movie is primarily anchored by three action heroines. But that can’t entirely justify a Terminator sequel that equates “fixing the franchise” with “retelling T2, but with the original heroes now acting as village elders.” Beyond concerns with this in-vogue template for franchise revival, and I expect Matrix 4 movie to follow a similar formula, Terminator: Dark Fate is a disappointment in the sense that it runs on autopilot for the first and third acts.

I don't know. Scott seems to be the kind of guy that really gets it, but he's just hopelessly brainwashed by gender studies and living in a political bubble. "Yes, it’s great that the new savior is a young Hispanic woman and that the movie is primarily anchored by three action heroines" sounds like it could be forced. Like, he doesn't honestly think this, but he feels like he has to say it, as a guilty white savior who's scared of being "othered".

Dark Fate is quite a bit better than the last two Terminator sequels, but that’s partially because it follows a set-in-stone formula almost to a tee. It only springs to life in the middle section when it introduces most of its interesting “new” ideas. I’m not terribly concerned with AI run amok considering the quality of humans currently running things, but Miller and Cameron paint a compelling scenario. Like too many franchise revivals of late, it’s an incredible amount of money spent mostly to remind you why you liked the respective franchise’s first installment(s) in the first place. Terminator: Dark Fate isn’t aggressively bad, and, choppy and generic action notwithstanding, it provides enough surface-value entertainment to almost suffice. But its most significant impact is in making you want to re-watch Terminator 2: Judgment Day.

Damning with faint praise while telling it like it is. It really speaks volumes as to how good T2 is: whenever I see either a really good or a really bad action scene in a movie, I always go back to the canal chase in T2.

Let's shift to somebody even more insufferable than Scott: a woman BuzzFeed writer.

The “Terminator” Franchise Has Let Sarah Connor Down

Linda Hamilton's iconic character is as fit and formidable as ever in Terminator: Dark Fate, but the movie ultimately squanders the opportunity to say something new.

www.buzzfeednews.com

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Just to put this article in perspective before I start:

Shannon Keating is the LGBT editor for BuzzFeed News and is based in New York.

It's as bad as it sounds.

The film does poke fun at the ridiculousness, and blatant misogyny, of its own premise: that Sarah’s only as valuable insofar as she can incubate a fetus who will go on to do the real world-saving. It also troubles its own mythos by, ever so gently, nudging against other traditionally gendered scripts. Even though he’s playing the part of gallant rescuer, for example, Kyle is a softer sort of man. In her book Hard Bodies: Hollywood Masculinity in the Reagan Era, gender studies critic Susan Jeffords points out that Terminator divides the male ego into good (Kyle) and evil (the Terminator), the result “of a pattern of masculinity that defines men by opposition to one another.” Where the Terminator is hulking, brusque, single-minded, and incapable of human emotion, Kyle is an average-sized though still conventionally attractive dude who’s driven by his personal feelings just as much as, if not more than, his desire to save the world. After all, he’d been in love with Sarah since her son, John, gave him a photo of her in the future.

Fucking hell. The Terminator doesn't cynically treat her as "just a womb". They treat her as "the mother of the future": the one who taught John to fight and prepared him before the war. If anything, you're the self-hating misogynist for suggesting she was nothing more than a womb that needed protecting. You've dehumanized her and mothers in general with that statement. Kyle fell in love with Sarah the Woman, not Sarah the Womb. Drop the brainwashing.

I feel like the Kyle vs Terminator analysis is just overlayed rather than organically rising from the film itself. Cameron saw the fearsome Terminator in Arnold and the more vulnerable fighter in Michael Biehn. That's all there is to it as far as I'm concerned. It's not a commentary on masculinity, but on technology.

When Kyle is impeded in his quest by the police — they briefly lock him up, dismissing his warnings about the Terminator as the ravings of a madman — he’s reduced to a pleading hysteric, historically a feminized role

This feels like a particularly forced interpretation of that scene.

Though Judgment Day is often credited as the better film of Cameron’s two Terminator installments, in no small part because of Sarah’s hard-bodied badassness, there’s still something quietly significant about watching the earliest iteration of goofy, lovelorn Sarah save the day. In his 2017 book Queering the Terminator: Sexuality and Cyborg Cinema, David Greven notes that her “soft” body before its T2 transformation could be read as a stand-in for other marginalized people without hypermasculinized bodies: women, children, queer people. Unlike other movies of the ’80s that center muscular male heroes, “here it is a soft female form that transcendently triumphs over the Terminator.”

This is textbook "reading too much into it." Nothing about her feminine form had anything to do with killing the Terminator. A cold, hydraulic press did.

Watching from a distance as John jokes around with his new protector, Sarah conveys a realization in voiceover: Unlike other “would-be fathers” that had come into and out of her and John’s world in the past, the Terminator “would die to protect him,” which is why she’s decided to trust him. In fact, it’s become clear that the Terminator will now be filling a motherly role just as much as a fatherly one.

Fathers play ball with their sons. That's not motherly. What maternal responsibilities does the Terminator fulfill? Unless you're referring to Carl changing diapers without complaining.

There is something rather extraordinary in seeing a woman delegate her maternal responsibilities to a robot man, which is certainly in line with Hamilton’s request that her character “go crazy” this time around. We’re supposed to root for Sarah, even though, as Cameron points out, she’s “troubled [and a] terrible mother.” But the character’s radical potential sours somewhat when she not only proves to be an ineffectual mom, but an ineffectual fighter — yet another woman who, in her attempt to have it all (in this case, motherhood and world-saving), ends up just kind of crappy at both tasks.

Funny how that works. Maybe Gavin McInnes was right.

Together, Dyson and the Terminator are responsible for giving birth to the future while Sarah, who manages to get in a few hits, has more or less been reduced to a frazzled bystander. John, carrying their torch, will live to save humanity tomorrow — in a series of sequels that don’t even bother to include Sarah at all. And in the process he’ll be saving something else, “something far more dangerous than a mechanized killing machine,” writes Jeffords. “He is saving masculinity for itself, not only embodying the ‘new’ future of masculinity but rescuing its past for revival.”

Masculine men bad, masculine women good.

What bummed me out about Grace, though, is that since we know her character has been technologically enhanced, her strength feels neither earned nor interesting. (For a movie where a Terminator somehow develops a conscience and a woman is cybernetically augmented for battle, there’s also surprisingly little energy devoted to parsing what any of this might signify about what it means to be human.) And as for Dani, we are supposed to assume, like Sarah does, that she’s serving the same role Sarah herself once did: a mere reproductive vessel for some future savior. Anyone who’s been semiconscious through the 2010s can spot the movie’s pseudo feminist “twist” from a mile away, but Dark Fate seems to assume it deserves a medal for daring to suggest that women are more than walking wombs.

Wow. Real sucker-punch to the 16 writers behind Dark Fate.

I love how Shannon has effectively underlined what the writers expected of the audience: that they'd be sexist pigs who thought Dani was just going to be the next Sarah Connor. Well, joke's on them, because she was the next John Connor this whole time! No sign of projection here, no sir.

As David Ehrlich writes for IndieWire, “Sarah has been trapped in a nightmare for too long to be woke — she’s been too busy killing Terminators to see The Force Awakens or Wonder Woman.” But the rest of us out here in the audience have seen those movies, which makes Dark Fate’s grand reveal — arriving “at Dani’s obvious, actual value with an almost Promethean sense of pride” — not only insufficiently radical, but just plain boring.

Thank you admitting that Dark Fate was fucking boring and didn't do anything remotely new.

Ya Boi Zack is right again. "You know how people hate Nazis respect women, right? SJWs want to be congratulated for it."

 

[The handsome tard]

Decided to go through a bunch of Terminator-related articles that popped up in my Google feed this week:

Box Office: ‘Terminator’ Flops For Third Time In Ten Years As ‘Dark Fate’ Nabs $29 Million Weekend

Terminator: Dark Fate bombed this weekend because, for the third time in a decade, audiences have shown that they do not care about Terminator movies.

www.forbes.com

http://archive.li/Vn3AA

Several of them happen to be from Scott Mendelson of Forbes, so this will be a brief delving into the man's psyche regarding this franchise.



Oh I bet you're real salty about that, Scott, even though the same criticism ended up applying to Star Wars too, after the brand's good will ran out. The truth hurts.



No, people still enjoy watching Arnold as a Terminator. They're not interested in a anorexic grandma, a beady-eyed Dyke-1000, and a Mexican shortstack pretending to be action heroes & fighting an unthreatening, Marvelized Mexican Terminator.

People would still enjoy seeing this:

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7 Reasons ‘Terminator: Dark Fate’ Was A Box Office Disaster

'Terminator' isn't 'Star Wars,' Arnold Schwarzenegger isn't a movie star anymore and audiences have shown three times in a row that this isn't a franchise that justifies top-tier blockbuster budgets.

www.forbes.com

http://archive.li/tFo9Q

I think Dark Fate is more of a symptom than part of the problem. Studios are desperate to stay afloat in the midst of a media juggernaut like Disney, so they will spring for whatever pre-existing lifeboat or driftwood of an IP they can access. If anything you should be talking about the Disney monopoly damaging the entire entertainment landscape, let alone the film industry.



I don't have much to say about this one, except it seems to be the inverse effect of what's happened to Star Wars.



I agree. There should be more to a Terminator film than just trying to outdo T2's action set pieces. They should be different movies. That being said, I'm not sure I'd trust Tim Miller and company with $85 million anymore than I would with $185 million. Deadpool's action and CG was good for your typical Marvel blockbuster film, but not for Terminator.



Incidentally Junkie XL also did the soundtrack for Fury Road, not that it helped Dark Fate much. Fury Road was fun for one watch, but not so good I needed to watch it again. It was at least successful.

I will say that Fury Road had much better chases than Dark Fate, that's for damn sure. Makes me wonder what a George Miller directed Terminator film would look like...

https://youtube.com/watch?v=aGTkgB62754
...shit, that could be fucking awesome. Just set it in the Future War and off you go. The music doesn't sound half bad either. I should watch this movie again.



I don't think it's so much that he's the problem as it is that the people making these movies are the problem. For all the flops he's been in, people still like Arnold as an actor. Yeah, he'll never be at his prime again, but that's what we've got newer folks like Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson for. Even Brett Azar could have a future like that, given the chance.



Nevermind those characters were shit though, right Scott? All you care about is ticking boxes, except "white male". You're right that nobody really gives a shit what sex or skin color the actors are as long as their roles, their performances, and the overall film are good, but you're wrong if you think the only people who had problems with them were bigots. God I fucking hate this faggotry.



Yeah dude, Terminator isn't Star Wars. Nothing is Star Wars. The only franchise I can think of that either exceeds it or comes close is Marvel. So this is a moot point, but you may be right in that it shouldn't have tried to compete with superhero movies.

T2's success didn't guarantee a lifelong fandom? Then why are studios still trying to make a sequel to it 20 years later, moron? Obviously there must be something there to keep wasting money on hacks for.

You're closer to being right if you said the fandom is small compared to the likes of Star Wars, but both T1 and T2 are hallmarks in American cinema nonetheless. I doubt anyone's going to forget about them anytime soon. What audiences don't care about are either misguided or lazy, uninspired cash grabs, which is all the Terminator has gotten since T2, give or take some exceptions like T:SCC.

Review: ‘Terminator: Dark Fate’ Is The Second-Best ‘Terminator 3’

Giving the franchise the 'Force Awakens' treatment, 'Terminator: Dark Fate' only comes alive when it dares to make its own fate.

www.forbes.com

100% agreed, Scott, except for the "necessary evil" part (though I understand it isn't necessarily something you agree with). It's just the culmination of the manipulative hack factory that is JJ Abrams' Bad Reboot studios. I'm hoping The Rise of Skywalker will represent the denouement, or the falling action.



I don't know. Scott seems to be the kind of guy that really gets it, but he's just hopelessly brainwashed by gender studies and living in a political bubble. "Yes, it’s great that the new savior is a young Hispanic woman and that the movie is primarily anchored by three action heroines" sounds like it could be forced. Like, he doesn't honestly think this, but he feels like he has to say it, as a guilty white savior who's scared of being "othered".



Damning with faint praise while telling it like it is. It really speaks volumes as to how good T2 is: whenever I see either a really good or a really bad action scene in a movie, I always go back to the canal chase in T2.

Let's shift to somebody even more insufferable than Scott: a woman BuzzFeed writer.

The “Terminator” Franchise Has Let Sarah Connor Down

Linda Hamilton's iconic character is as fit and formidable as ever in Terminator: Dark Fate, but the movie ultimately squanders the opportunity to say something new.

www.buzzfeednews.com

The “Terminator” Franchise Has Let Sarah Connor Down

archived 9 Nov 2019 05:05:43 UTC

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Just to put this article in perspective before I start:



It's as bad as it sounds.



Fucking hell. The Terminator doesn't cynically treat her as "just a womb". They treat her as "the mother of the future": the one who taught John to fight and prepared him before the war. If anything, you're the self-hating misogynist for suggesting she was nothing more than a womb that needed protecting. You've dehumanized her and mothers in general with that statement. Kyle fell in love with Sarah the Woman, not Sarah the Womb. Drop the brainwashing.

I feel like the Kyle vs Terminator analysis is just overlayed rather than organically rising from the film itself. Cameron saw the fearsome Terminator in Arnold and the more vulnerable fighter in Michael Biehn. That's all there is to it as far as I'm concerned. It's not a commentary on masculinity, but on technology.



This feels like a particularly forced interpretation of that scene.



This is textbook "reading too much into it." Nothing about her feminine form had anything to do with killing the Terminator. A cold, hydraulic press did.



Fathers play ball with their sons. That's not motherly. What maternal responsibilities does the Terminator fulfill? Unless you're referring to Carl changing diapers without complaining.



Funny how that works. Maybe Gavin McInnes was right.



Masculine men bad, masculine women good.



Wow. Real sucker-punch to 16 writers behind Dark Fate.

I love how Shannon has effectively underlined what the writers expected of the audience: that they'd be sexist pigs who thought Dani was just going to be the next Sarah Connor. Well, joke's on them, because she was the next John Connor this whole time! No sign of projection here, no sir.



Thank you admitting that Dark Fate was fucking boring and didn't do anything remotely new.

Ya Boi Zack is right again. "You know how people hate Nazis respect women, right? SJWs want to be congratulated for it."

I live for stuff like this, amazing post.

 

[Poe-Shen Zcela]

Oh I'm happy to, glad to hear it. I don't think there's going to be much about Terminator to talk about for a while, and I had to distract myself occasionally at work.

I've got a couple more I found today that I wanted to share if nothing else, but before I do, there was something I didn't comment on about Scott's first article I posted:

If I seem angry about this, I am. I’ve been warning about this for years. This isn’t 2009 or even 2015, when I could point and laugh at the chutzpah on display and move on. This is 2019, a time when theatrical moviegoing is in deep peril from streaming, VOD, social media and countless once-unthinkable distractions and competition for the entertainment dollar. Boneheaded plays like making the third failed Terminator reboot in ten years only makes folks that much less likely to look at theatrical moviegoing as not just a less convenient form of entertainment but an inferior form of entertainment. Moreover, using the Force Awakens formula on a far-less viable franchise, complete with three female heroes (one of which is technically a senior citizen and another of which is Hispanic), is a cruel trap that allows folks to point and make “get woke/go broke” jokes.

So his main concern here is that Dark Fate and similar cash grabs are damaging the reputation of the film industry in general, such that less people will go to the theatres in favor of streaming and VOD services. Since Disney has just vaulted a bunch of classic Fox-owned movies, I'm inclined to agree with him. If Hollywood is so creatively bankrupt and greedy that they won't even let theatres show classic films, then that almost sounds worse than what's been happening to the comic book industry because of Marvel (and DC?)'s predatory business practices of over-shipping them unsellable shit that they can't have refunded. I'm not sure whether the comic book industry or the film industry are worse off than the other, but at least the comic book stores that are still in business can sell decades' worth of back issues.

I don't think either comic book shops or theatres are going anywhere, but clearly both have been contracting for some time due to monopolies forcing them to choke on gluts of bad, cheaply-made product.

Thankfully, it seems like there are more than a handful of outlets pulling no punches when it comes to Terminator. I guess it's easier than punching up at Star Wars, but I'll take it:

Terminator: Dark Fate Cynically Undoes Judgment Day

Terminator: Dark Fate throws the ending of Terminator 2: Judgment Day out the window in the name of delivering more box office returns.

www.escapistmagazine.com

Over the course of Judgment Day, Sarah reluctantly comes to trust the T-800 that has been sent back to protect John. However, Dark Fate shamelessly rolls back that dynamic by having the T-800 murder John Connor in the opening sequence. This completely invalidates the effort to protect John in both The Terminator and Judgment Day. It treats the character as narrative clutter to be cleared away and emotional leverage to justify resetting his mother’s character arc.

James Cameron was famously critical of the way in which David Fincher’s Alien 3 casually killed off the surviving characters from Aliens, describing the move as “dumb” and “a slap in the face to fans.” It’s no small irony that Cameron should have a story credit on Dark Fate, which bills itself as “the day after Judgment Day” and features the return of both Linda Hamilton and Edward Furlong. The demand for another Terminator sequel trumps the earned conclusion of Sarah and John’s journey, so their happy ending is unraveled by the desire to see yet more cybernetic killing machines. Perhaps there is no darker fate than the one determined by box office returns.

Well said. I'm curious to see how this will end up affecting James Cameron's future films, considering his name was associated to not one, but two major Terminator flops from the same studio.

Speaking of curiosity, I'd also love to hear from our based Jap bros what they think of the latest Terminator flop. UK news site Daily Mail covered the Japanese Dark Fate premiere a few days ago, where the cast visited audiences before they went in to see the film. The layout and abundance of ads on the page were, however, so atrocious that I've decided to just paste the entire transcript of the article here for your reading convenience:

Linda Hamilton and Arnold Schwarzenegger at Japan Terminator premiere

The promo trail for Terminator: Dark Fate has moved to the East, as Linda Hamilton and Arnold Schwarzenegger reunited for another premiere, this time in Japan, on Monday night.

www.dailymail.co.uk

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The promo trail for Terminator: Dark Fate has moved to the East, as Linda Hamilton and Arnold Schwarzenegger reunited for another premiere, this time in Japan, on Monday night.

The actress, 63, and Arnold, 72, did not seem to be tiring from their exhaustive global promotional campaign as they united with the rest of the cast to yet again celebrate the latest sequel in the sci-fi franchise.

Attending the screening in Tokyo, the leading stars joined co-stars Natalia Reyes, Mackenzie Davis and Gabriel Luna for a press conference, where they answered questions about the movie.

While the film scored an opening weekend win at the box office with $29 million, it will likely still lose a lot of money, upwards of $100 million.

Variety reports that Terminator: Dark Fate earned an additional $102 million overseas for a global opening weekend of $131 million, but the debut is disappointing considering the sizable budget.

The report reveals that Terminator: Dark Fate cost a whopping $185 million to produce, plus the studio has shelled out between $80 million and $100 million in global marketing costs.

Arnold and Linda seemed to co-ordinate in slate grey ensembles.

Linda strolled onto the stage in a chic jumpsuit as Arnie wore a checked blazer over a black Tee, over bruise jeans and black loafers.

Linda wore her short blonde locks in a quiff and accentuated her youthful complexion with a pink palette of make-up.

The long-time friends reprise their iconic roles, 28 years after the second chapter in the legendary franchise - Judgment Day.

Linda will play Sarah Connor once again while Arnold plays an aging Terminator, one of several sent back in time to kill John Connor in the past who now lives in human society.

The Hollywood legends - who first crossed paths when they starred in The Terminator in 1984 - chatted animatedly alongside the rest of the cast as they addressed the crowd ahead of the screening.

They joined their co-stars Gabriela Luna, Natalia Reyes, Mackenzie Davies and Diego Boneta.

In the movie Reyes plays Danielle Ramos, a young woman targeted for termination by the new advanced Terminator prototype Rev-9 - who Sarah Connor seeks to protect.

Mackenzie Davies, plays a cyborg from the future who also wants to protect Dani, and Diego Boneta, plays Dani's older brother Miguel.

Edward Furlong, who played John Connor in the 1991 film, is also slated to reprise his role.

Although Linda and Arnie's characters were enemies in the original film, before joining forces to protect Sarah's son John in Judgment Day, off-screen they have maintained a close friendship throughout the years.

In July she told ET of reuniting with Arnold: 'I loved working with Arnold. I actually was just pleased as punch when I saw him again.

'It had been a number of years. And I just have this affection for him that is so deep and biting, that just got completely cemented on this film.

'I loved working physically with him, I loved seeing him in the trailer, I loved toying with him.You know, it's the very top of a 35-year relationship, and that really means something to me.'

Hamilton, who was previously married to Terminator creator James Cameron, left Los Angeles several years ago and acknowledges it took a while for her to decide to come out of acting retirement to reprise a character she last played 28 years ago.

'It wasn't the script but just the thought of returning to this whole, big thing again after living such a quiet, normal life for so long,' she explained in an interview published in The Sunday Post.

'Then there is the thought of being compared to yourself as you were back then. That's not easy for anyone but in the end I knew I had to do it.'

Getting back in shape so she convincingly looked like she could take on a Terminator and win was, naturally, a hard thing to do at 63.

'I did military training, stunt training, scuba lessons, Spanish lessons,' she said. 'It was extremely hard. At one point I was in the desert in Texas sobbing because it was so hard to be fluid with those weapons.

'They loaded me up with 35lbs of weapons and I said, 'Forget firing the weapons, I can't even get out of the car!' she joked. 'There were days when I felt like it was almost physically impossible to keep going but we did it.'

As for the anticipation and excitement of seeing her and Schwarzenegger back together on the big screen, Hamilton gets it.

'I don't want to let our fans down or the franchise down and I don't want to let the character down,' she told The Sunday Post.

While Paramount distributed Terminator: Dark Fate, the movie was co-financed by Paramount, Skydance Productions and Disney, through its acquisition of 20th Century Fox.

Each of the three studios put up 30% of the budget, with China financing company Tencent Production putting up the remaining 10%, with all four studios bearing the brunt of the losses instead of just Paramount.

Box office analysts are projecting that Terminator: Dark Fate will need to gross around $450 million worldwide to break even, but as of now it's projected to top out between $180 million and $200 million globally.

Given the increased competition throughout the month of November, some box office analysts claim that Dark Fate may not even cross $70 million domestically.

The studio was hoping for an opening weekend around $40 million, but it fell far short of expectations, and it failed to impress in the key Chinese market as well.

The movie opened with just $28 million in China over the weekend, and it's projected to earn just $50 million throughout its run in the Middle Kingdom.

Terminator: Dark Fate marked the return of the franchise's creator, James Cameron, who directed the 1984 classic The Terminator from a script he co-wrote with Gale Anne Hurd.

While Cameron returned to direct 1991's Terminator 2: Judgment Day, he was not involved in the three films that followed - 2003's Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines, 2009's Terminator Salvation and 2015's Terminator Genisys, none of which could replicate the critical and commercial success of the first two films.

Terminator: Dark Fate was more well-received from critics with a 69% rating on Rotten Tomatoes, but its $29 million debut was just above 2015's Terminator Genisys, which would go on to make $89 million domestic and $440.6 million worldwide.

MKM Partners media analyst Eric Handler stated that Paramount, 'made a bad decision in greenlighting this film with this particular budget.'

'This is an aging franchise with aging actors, and the reviews were mediocre,” Handler added.

'As good of a franchise as this might have been, it doesn’t have the same appeal now,' he added.

There wasn't much new or interesting said here other than how Linda loved working with Arnold again & how difficult it was for her to get in shape for this. The more interesting parts are the last three quotes in the article from MKM Partners media analyst Eric Handler, the bizarre choice of wardrobe the cast went with, and Mackenzie Davis' blank robotic stare:

Where do I start? I guess from left-to-right:

What is up with Linda's frumpy long-shanks and dark grey jumpsuit look?
What in the world is Mackenzie Davis staring at like a creepy fembot?
"Dressed to impress" my ass. Where are Gabriel Luna's socks?

Why are Arnold and Natalia the only people here who look normal?

Moving on to WIRED, they were similar as unimpressed with the movie:

‘Terminator: Dark Fate’ Didn’t Need an Exploding Airplane

The new movie in the franchise is too focused on trying to top the previous films.

www.wired.com

‘Terminator: Dark Fate’ Didn’t Need an Exploding Airplane | WIRED

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Though it seems like they tried to cover a bit for the writers:

“In general what happens is you wait and wait to get a job, and then the minute you’re hired it’s an extreme rush. There’s never enough time, and that’s the unfortunate thing, because the minute they call you they’re like, ‘Hey, so we’re finally greenlit, and we need the script immediately to secure the bond and the financing, so can you give it to us in a week?’ And you’re like, ‘What? No. I mean, I can give you something in a week, but are you going to guarantee I’ve got time to fix it and make it right?’ And sometimes you get that time, sometimes you don’t. … But trust me, these writers are pulling their hair out, and sometimes they’re sequestering themselves in hotel rooms for six to eight weeks if they get that luxury. But they’re definitely trying to make it better, it’s just such an uphill battle for quality, always.”

I don't remember reading anything about the writers' room or the screenplay to confirm or deny this scenario, but supposedly this is how it goes in Hollywood.

This next one is an interview with Cameron from a day ago:

‘Back on its feet’: James Cameron on reviving ‘Terminator’ and his upcoming ‘Avatar’ sequels

James Cameron was deep into pre-production on his upcoming Avatar sequels. Still, when the phone call came in late 2016 from David Ellison — the 36-year-old son of Oracle’s Larry Elliso…

torontosun.com

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The Terminator franchise had been chugging along for almost a quarter of a century without you. Why did you come back?

Firstly, I didn’t like some of the sequels that had been made. But I guess it was an opportunity to say something new about the never-ending conflict between humans and artificial intelligence, because it will take place. Whether that’s a smooth transition or whether that’s a rocky one or whether there’s an apocalypse, remains to be seen but I don’t think people are taking it as seriously as they should. If you talk to any AI researcher, they all say it’s pretty inevitable that they’ll be able to develop an artificial intelligence equal to ours or even greater. And I don’t think that there’s enough adult supervision for what they’re doing. That’s speaking as a science-fiction writer, that’s speaking as a filmmaker and that’s speaking as a father of five. This is a potential existential threat.

That said, it was appealing to me to make another film on that subject. When I dealt with AI back in 1984, it was pure fantasy and certainly on the outer bounds of science fiction. Now, these things are being discussed fairly openly and are an imminent reality. Terminator: Dark Fate doesn’t deal much with those issues — not as much as I would have liked, anyway. But we did plan it as a three-film arc and the second and third films definitely delve into it.

So nothing was learned from Genisys. Again you figured you could pull off another trilogy before letting the first film stand on its own.

There was another article I read where the author suggested that Dark Fate succeeded as a standalone where Genisys didn't, but I don't think that's true at all just on the basis that it's a miserable failure as a Terminator movie. That aside, it isn't that much different than Genisys. Yeah, there was a blatant post-ending/post-credits sequel hook in Genisys, but that can't be the only criteria for disqualifying it at a standalone, can it?

Did you look at the three intervening movies as an example of what not to do?

Salvation took place in the future. I had always been attracted to the idea of doing a Terminator film that dealt with the future war. I probably would have done it quite differently. And what you learn from that film is that it’s not as interesting as when those future elements come into our world. When I created the original Terminator, the idea was: How can I do a low-budget science-fiction film that deals with epic ideas and yet plays out using low-budget filmmaking techniques? … I think there were major advantages of telling the first Terminator story that way. Our world, which we think we know so well, gets fractured and invaded by people from the future, but it’s a future we’re setting in motion right now. It’s our own technology and evils that come back to haunt us. So it made sense then and it makes sense now.

He just sidestepped the question to talk about making the original Terminator. Maybe he did it because they didn't so much look at the other three movies for what not to do as much as what can we reuse?

How involved were you on the production of Dark Fate?

I was pretty hands-on during the writing and to a certain extent the editing. I believe that you cast a grown-up director and the day-to-day shooting of the film is the province of the director … I believe that all the major decisions that need to be made on a movie happen in pre-production. They are mostly in the writing, casting and the design of the film. If you’ve got those three things right, then it’s pretty un-f—upable … We all have ideas we want to see in a Terminator movie and they’re all different. But we all agreed that we wanted to see cool action. I gave them 20 action sequences that I’ve always wanted to see. I just rattled them off … While they were shooting, I was rewriting some scenes. There were some problem scenes that we had never cracked. So I kept working on it. It was like trying to write pages in front of a steamroller that’s moving along behind you. But I think that yielded some good moments and good scenes that are in the film.

It seems like he's throwing some low-key shade at David Ellison here, like he's blaming him for getting the wrong people together to make this movie. Not necessarily blaming him for the pitch he gave him, and certainly not blaming himself for his own ideas about what to do with John.

While we’re on the topic of sequels, I’ve always wondered whatever happened to True Lies 2?

We were talking seriously about a sequel. That film came out in 1994, then I did Titanic and that took up a couple of years of my life. But I came back to that again in 1999. Enough time had passed and I thought it was time for a sequel. Arnold wanted to do it, I wanted to do it and we were writing it. But then Sept. 11 happened in 2001. Suddenly doing a domestic comedy about international nuclear terrorism didn’t seem so funny anymore. So I just said, ‘Forget it, we’re not doing it.’ And that was that.

That's unfortunate. I would like to have seen that.

Check out this DANK console mod bro:

Microsoft reveals stunning Terminator: Dark Fate Xbox One X

Do you love custom consoles? Are you a collector? Well, you're in luck. Today, Microsoft revealed a custom Xbox One X that features a Terminator: Dark Fate theme. The highlight of the device has to be the amazing console that has a melting Terminator skull on it. Starting November 1 and running...

www.windowscentral.com

Too bad there aren't any good videogames to go with it--past or present. Unless you really like the T3/T4 tie-ins.

This is one article I'd encourage an honest click & read-through:

Terminator: Dark Fate: Let's Talk Out What Happened To John Connor

The words "dark fate" don't even cover it.

www.cinemablend.com

Their take on John Connor's death isn't just shilling for Skydance or woke points, thankfully, and they even have a free and open poll for people who vote on how they felt about him getting 86'd.

Can't argue with those numbers.

One last article I have is a welcome speculation on how current-year tech advancements relate to the apocalyptic vision of Terminator's AI-ruled future:

How close is the 'Dark Fate' predicted for humanity by the 'Terminator' saga?

Scientists scoff at the idea that AI poses an existential threat, but military applications of the technology pose concern.

www.nbcnews.com

This kind of discussion is what convinces me that Terminator is still plenty relevant and plausible, no matter how many shitty cash grabs miss the point or don't live up to it.

Here's an article talking about DARPA's successful drone swarm tests, with video:

Watch DARPA test out a swarm of drones

It envisions using 250 drones at once

www.theverge.com

Now here's an ad from 2016 for the Republic of Korea's automated sentry turret, brought to you by Samsung:

That commercial for an autonomous killer robot reminds me of another similar commercial, but I can't quite place it.

Finally, here's a video from the Campaign to Stop Killer Robots, wherein they recall Stanislav Petrov and how he narrowly avoided nuclear war between the US and Russie in 1983, just a year before The Terminator came out:

I could probably keep going with this, but you get the idea.

Here's a treat for getting to the end. Long live The Terminator story:

 

[Biffo]

Saw it last week, honestly the best out of the four T3 they have made, but still a 5/10 movie, main issue is it does feel too much like T2 and Dani who they try to build up as the new face of the series is so underwritten and boring, not the actresses fault however the writers clearly wanted to focus on other characters such as Grace and Sarah which makes me think why couldn't they have just removed her from the movie. Some interesting ideas such what would happen to the Terminator if it completed its mission and what would it do to Sarah Connor if she lost John, however the movie never fully commits to these ideas instead it rehashes T2. As the movie goes on it gets more over the top with the action and life less, just cgi overboard, the whole plane sequence I was so bored during, in fact the only action part that was well done was the first one.

Pretty clear the movie flopped due to the crazy budget of $200 million plus and with it being the fourth T3, people are sick of the rehashes and this was was only fours year away from Genisys which is by the worst one and people still remember clearly, they lost their audience for the series, at least those who would be willing to pay to see at cinemas.

I got sick of the anti-SJW youtubers having a go at the movie, they only have issue with this movie because it is easy money for them which isn't a bad reason because everyone but commies like money just which they were more honest about it, but it's really nothing like the ghostbuster remake or captain marvel in terms of SJWish, the only scene like that is where they reveal Dani to be the hero of the future and that is only because they wait a pointless long time to tell us and act like it's a big shock, when early in the movie during a part where Sarah Connor tells her backstory on top of a train this revelation would have made more sense to be revealed.

 

[Ahriman]

Very nice posts, @Poe-Shen Zcela . Deep down, I'm as salty as that blogger in a way. Terminator is one of my favorite franchises, I can still remember the hype before T2 came out, as a kid I thought it was the best time ever. Then coming home and firing up the Mega Drive to play some more T2, blasting Guns n' Roses soundtrack, man it was glorious. Renting them both at a local video club was one of my favorite things to do. One of my very first "scared shitless" moments was watching the 1st one, the T-800 scared the ever-loving-shit out of me as a kid.

I am also one of the purists that loathe the T1 remaster with Stereo re-mixing instead of the old Mono soundtrack, so as much as I enjoy the improved visuals, the audio is just like nails on a chalkboard.

This is what it should sound like.

I can't help to laugh at how disastrous the franchise has become, but deep down I just know it could have been leagues better than what they offered. I put the blame squarely on Cameron and Arnie -- I love the man to death, but for fuck's sake, Arnie.

Edit: goofing around on Youtube found this. This is everything that I want from a Terminator movie.

 

[BrunoMattei]

Regarding a lower budget Terminator sequel: I have my own ideas but I think the solution to the problem of following up T2 (aside from doing the Future War correctly this time) is to do a smaller film that returns to the roots of the original and be more of an action/horror film.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

There hasnt been a SINGLE good terminator game, there were decent ones Im sure but there wasnt like, true classics like Alien Isolation

The only good terminator game I believe was one of the arcade games that tied into salvation.

 

[WaltherPPGAY]

Estimated drop of 63% weekend to weekend bringing it from 1st place to 5th place despite still being the most widely released film in theaters right now. It barely beat Joker despite being in ~1200 locations and only beating Maleficent by 2.5 million dollars with 800 more locations.

That's going to hurt the bottom line.

 

[mr.moon1488]

In all honesty, I think the best Terminator game has been released long, long time ago.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=dKmnhC1kNNA
I still hate the truck level, but man it was pretty cool at the time. Looking back, and considering what the franchise has become, we should be thankful we got at least 1 decent videogame out of it.

Never got the chance to play the arcade game back in the day, I might as well fire up MAME and give it a go.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=8W9juT-4aP0
Also,

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>mfw you stop and think that Commiefornia might very well look like this in 10 years

What's sad is that it should in theory be such an easy source material to work with. People like post apocalyptic, and honestly, if you made the player character a terminator, you could even do something like what is being done with cyberpunk where you actually have you modifying yourself. Not only that, but any setting would be a good setting since the whole world got destroyed in the story.