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Now Tabletop Time is basically a subsidiary channel of Jazza, the guy who runs an art channel by that name and the brother of right wing grifter, shitty author, fat retard who plays with swords in his parents backyard, and lolcow of the HEMA community, Shadiversity. Wouldn't it be utterly fucking ridiculous if Jazza had pulled the same shit already and included Tabletop Time in the video about it?
They're brothers. Shadiversity used to even be on the original incarnation of Tabletop Time when it was about them playing TTRPGs. Here's an old clip of Shadiversity looking like a fucking retard when they were trying to play a TTRPG at a convention a decade ago or so with Jazza trying not to just shit on him for having his head up his ass.
Here's some examples of his expertise of drawing anatomy that is "easily up to a professional standard"
Here's a video still on the Tabletop Time channel from ages ago because it isn't like Jazza ever went out of his way to try and purge ever existing in the same room as him
They eventually wound up in some kind of halfassed public slapfight because Shadiversity wouldn't shut the fuck up about politics at the family dinner table during a holiday or some bullshit, so threw a public tantrum at Jazza over it, all because Jazza didn't want anything to do with him on camera(I don't blame him).
So yeah, Shadiversity has been a pompous retard with Dunning Krueger for well over a decade even before becoming a HEMA lolcow and playing with swords in his backyard at his play fort, and it's only gotten worse over time so why the hell would his brother want anything to do with him publicly? And yes, he's also been treating his outfits with the sportcoat as his fucking uniform for that long. You can even see some examples of him definitely drawing "himself" on his deviantart page once you get past the first couple pages of his more recent adventures in AI slop.
Maybe having Tabletop Time constantly buying forgeworld titans at $1000-2500 and up to chop up and make into terrain for tables(and plenty of other stupidly expensive forgeworld models for other projects) was a terrible fucking idea?
Please tell me this wasn't a thing lmao.
You can get shitty prints of titans for a quarter of the price, even chink recasters that have the exact same design and better quality than FW resin get you a warhound with 2 weapons for 392 USD, compared to the "comfy" 755USD from FW
Please tell me this wasn't a thing lmao.
You can get shitty prints of titans for a quarter of the price, even chink recasters that have the exact same design and better quality than FW resin get you a warhound with 2 weapons for 392 USD, compared to the "comfy" 755USD from FW
Here's their 2.5 hour supercut of their series where they chopped some up(5 plus weapons)
They even made a joke about ebaying the "certificates" since they clearly weren't going to be using them for anything. Now that specific table did get auctioned off for charity so I assume they recouped at least some of the cost(I would hope) but they've built other titans and expensive FW models as well for the channel in other videos.
And yes, they could have just bought recasts(that's how I got my warhound with a full set of weapons for under $400), printed the fucking things, etc. since they were just going to chop them up. But that wouldn't have been as clickbaity, plus they had a deal with GW at the time still for getting new shit for free when it was released and GW probably wouldn't have appreciated recasts or prints in their videos.
edit: And remember, that $700 warhound titan from forgeworld is just the body. Additional weapons are another $90 each and you need 2. Plus tax and shipping, you're definitely over $1000 for a warhound.
Been too long so I can't just edit the post above.
The e-begging continues. Spends the first quarter of the video talking about how they're just going to be positive and not talk about money, while talking about how they're editing their own videos now, but don't forget their new crowdfunding project for more OPR models and 40 proxy STLs! "We're not making a game, but we can just write rules for OPR!". The last quarter of the video is about his alpha legion army he's had as a "project" for ages and rarely shows or does anything with in video, and mentioning that he's still working on... another fucking titan that he hasn't done anything with in months, after having one just sitting in his closet in the box for who knows how long. So they can't even be bothered to make videos with the shit they've already spent money on.
I had also mentioned Jazza as part of the e-begging previously, since he owns Tabletop Time.
Oh would you look at that, now he's doing his e-begging for his main channel too since I guess he only had a month's worth of operating budget left in the bank but hey he's got his crowdfunding project going with just a few days to go!. At least he also pointed out that he's having to downsize, not have a full time editor on staff for his one video a week, can't hoard his past projects(if you've got a fanbase... fucking sell them?). Hilariously he shows that he decided to acquire an entire fucking office building at some point for his channel? And then rent out some of the other space in the building to some other business... but that's only going to cover part of the cost not the entire cost. Apparently he had 2 full studio rooms for his art channel. Commercial office space for a youtube channel I get, but a fucking 2 story building? I previously mocked Shadiversity's backyard castle play set
Jazza couldn't be outdone so made his own at some point and just never used it?
Spends the rest of his video talking about doing 2 videos a week instead of just 1, with the 2nd video being about using random art supplies and mediums(bro that's basically your entire channel already). Shills his kickstarter for his anatomy book(which I find mildly funny considering his brother and his professional quality understanding or whatever of anatomy for art), blah blah blah thank you patreons while tearing up and actually crying on camera.
I wonder how many other youtube channels took the "people bored during covid lockdowns 6 fucking years ago" boom, ran with it, and did absurd shit like leasing or buying entire office buildings, hiring way too much staff, and then have spent the past 4 years looking at their numbers dwindling as people have found other shit to do, moved on, or just found other channels doing similar content.
I wonder how many other youtube channels took the "people bored during covid lockdowns 6 fucking years ago" boom, ran with it, and did absurd shit like leasing or buying entire office buildings, hiring way too much staff, and then have spent the past 4 years looking at their numbers dwindling as people have found other shit to do, moved on, or just found other channels doing similar content.
Actually makes me wonder how/what other shill channels like MiniWargaming and PlayOnTabletop make, from a casual glance I can see the former just spams ALOT of paid only and members content. They use their site for exclusive content so they do cut out middlemen at the possible cost of not being on a trusted platform, PlayOn seems to get good views with 100k in 1 month per batrep with some reaching it in a bit less. With new and exciting shilling like 11th ed 40k bringing in views. Alongside some members only content.
Still BatReps seem to be pretty retarded, but I suppose we live in world of LARP viewers with NoGames who live vicariously through e-celebs. Although I'll admit I enjoy this small guy called Ash & Stone since I got into Oathmark
Actually makes me wonder how other shill channels like MiniWargaming and PlayOnTabletop make, from a casual glance I can see the former just spams ALOT of paid only and members content. They use their site for exclusive content so they do cut out middlemen at the possible cost of not being on a trusted platform, PlayOn seems to get good views with 100k in 1 month per batrep with some reaching it in a bit less. With new and exciting shilling like 11th ed 40k bringing in views. Alongside some members only content.
Still BatReps seem to be pretty retarded, but I suppose we live in world of LARP viewers with NoGames who live vicariously through e-celebs. Although I'll admit I enjoy this small guy called Ash & Stone since I got into Oathmark
MWG at least in the past has had multiple other sources of income. Initially they were a game store, and then hilariously around 2019 they decided to make themselves into a 40k hostel(no, I'm not kidding) and then opened in February 2020(queue price_is_wrong.wav)
I'm not even sure what the point of this is either, since they don't have any seriously competitive players on their staff to claim they can really provide coaching or anything like that. How far out in the sticks do you have to live that it's a fucking multiple day vacation just to be at a game store and hope to get some games in? But can't also just find a hotel nearby? They don't have a space large enough to hold events or anything of that sort either(half the time since when they show the gaming area rarely in videos, it's a cluttered mess, but still also just not that big).
They do also actually have a functional side business as a 3d print farm. Sometimes it's just Canadian, but other times they're doing North American printing for shit like kickstarter rewards(for campaigns that weren't their own). I suspect they turned some of the rooms into that, because The Ork Hut is the only one that comes up to book if you don't click directly on the room and just enter dates and number of people. They also pretty frequently do their own kickstarters for terrain seemingly pretty often, although looking at their modular terrain you still need to glue fuckloads of magnets and there's a ton of fiddly pieces so I don't get the appeal.
Their normal batrep content is fucking boring, a cut down stream is still 60-90 minutes long with weird camera angles and it's just not good. The spam of their channel being 50% shit you can't watch without paying them is fucking ridiculous. But they've also had pay to watch content for years before youtube was supporting it, so I guess they've got enough of a fanbase for that over time.
PlayOn seems to fulfill the fantasy for people who can't be bothered to leave the house to find people to play with, or grasp that wargaming is actually a social activity so they just live vicariously through them, while the "show" itself with it's interviews, commentary, voice overs, and so on with their little leagues and narrative events is almost like the nerd equivalent of WWE. I can see the appeal of it as a product... however it does have the side effect of convincing some people(i've only run into this a couple of times for 40k, compared to say... critical role and D&D) that a 2000 point game is played in an hour, that everyone has insane setups with wall projectors, lights built into tables, etc. kind of like the idiots who think Critical Role is a typical D&D experience. But they've also hosted big narrative events for the public, done a couple live shows with the audience rolling giant novelty dice for them, shit like that.
But they also still seem to have their day jobs, do some brand deals, sponsors, etc. way more often than MWG, recently flew to Texas to do a livestreamed game of 11th edition for GW, etc.
Still BatReps seem to be pretty retarded, but I suppose we live in world of LARP viewers with NoGames who live vicariously through e-celebs. Although I'll admit I enjoy this small guy called Ash & Stone since I got into Oathmark
I'd say there's 2 major value propositions for batreps.
1. Just seeing how a game is played before getting into it yourself. Obviously there's no need to continue watching them if you decide one way or the other. How is a faction used on the table, what do the tables look like with terrain and models in game rather than just posed for marketing photos(there is a difference, and it's funny when people try to fake games for photos that just look like marketing posts and they don't understand why)
2. As long as we're not talking about possibly scripted bullshit(it'd be so easy to fake without a full stream of the whole thing) and played by people not just playing bullshit weird lists they'd never take to an event, and so on. You can see how the top player for a faction might stage for a charge, or screen with certain units in conjunction with terrain, or even just how aggressively some people actually play(rather than standing out in the open or just charging full speed across the table without having a list that actually supports that as a viable strategy). The problem with these, is that they're usually incredibly boring(even moreso for people who don't know the game well enough) and is the equivalent of watching an NFL game as an autist to see what plays the teams are calling rather than the action after the snap. It's the kind of thing you might put on in the background and glance over when you hear something interesting, or just scrub through the bar to catch the few interesting moments.
But yes, most batrep channels are fucking gay worthless and boring, just like most of the lore channels, and frankly just about anything that's "about" 40k without actually being a hobby/building/painting/etc. channel.
I'm not even sure what the point of this is either, since they don't have any seriously competitive players on their staff to claim they can really provide coaching or anything like that. How far out in the sticks do you have to live that it's a fucking multiple day vacation just to be at a game store and hope to get some games in? But can't also just find a hotel nearby? They don't have a space large enough to hold events or anything of that sort either(half the time since when they show the gaming area rarely in videos, it's a cluttered mess, but still also just not that big)
damn, its like my japanese anie may's love hotels but more homosexual since you're there to play a shilled and flawed wargame instead of banging without being in a bughive, cant imagine the situation many will be in that they need to rent a hostel with their buds just to go play 40k outside of people living in Uber bughive conditions, even the shittiest appartment can fit a 6x4 table or whatever the fuck you need for 40k dont they?
damn, its like my japanese anie may's love hotels but more homosexual since you're there to play a shilled and flawed wargame instead of banging without being in a bughive, cant imagine the situation many will be in that they need to rent a hostel with their buds just to go play 40k outside of people living in Uber bughive conditions, even the shittiest appartment can fit a 6x4 table or whatever the fuck you need for 40k dont they?
I don't think the issue is so much that they don't have space to play and live in a bughive. Rather it's that they live out in the middle of bumfuck nowhere in the Canadian wilderness with no one else to play a game with in a 4 hour radius so they only way they can get a game in is to make it into a vacation.
Also, sure I could host a game of 40k at my place no problem. But the list of people that I know who play, that I'd be willing to invite even to my neighborhood let alone my home, is 2 maybe 3. Meanwhile at the game store there's plenty of acquaintances I can find to play a game with but I'd also never be willing to go to their home either. Of course I don't live so far away from civilization that it would be reasonable to need a place to spend the night rather than just drive the fuck home after a game either.
Now the people from my TTRPG group(of which there is some overlap with the wargaming friends), yeah I'd have no problem putting together a one shot or something and having a BBQ just for the hell of it.
Oh would you look at that, now he's doing his e-begging for his main channel too since I guess he only had a month's worth of operating budget left in the bank but hey he's got his crowdfunding project going with just a few days to go!. At least he also pointed out that he's having to downsize, not have a full time editor on staff for his one video a week, can't hoard his past projects(if you've got a fanbase... fucking sell them?). Hilariously he shows that he decided to acquire an entire fucking office building at some point for his channel? And then rent out some of the other space in the building to some other business... but that's only going to cover part of the cost not the entire cost. Apparently he had 2 full studio rooms for his art channel. Commercial office space for a youtube channel I get, but a fucking 2 story building?
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I dunno when or where he signed his lease, but especially if he signed during COVID chances are he got a very sweet deal and might very well be nearly offsetting his whole rent with a sublet. One of the companies I worked for had gotten a very favorable long-term renewable lease on an entire corporate campus they picked up in the DotCom bust and was handily making their annual lease payment in sublets. (but not all the expenses like utilities, landscape, and building maintenance)
The reason internet hotshot tards get office space is because it is a business expense and because it 'proves' the business is legit to the IRS; if you run your business out of your home the IRS is much more likely to want to see your books and make sure you aren't declaring personal expenses as business. Having office space in the local office park provides a clear barrier.
Example, painting your wall green for your greenscreen- is that personal or business?
another reason for this is just storage space for business shit. Rather than losing a room or two of your house to all your youtuber shit, you can just rent some cheap commerical space and store it there.
If he was in the boonies making COVID youtube bux and looking at COVID lease rates for commerical buildings, I can see him getting a building, trying to support his friends with full time employment, and figuring he can do somethign with the empty space later.
I'm not even sure what the point of this is either, since they don't have any seriously competitive players on their staff to claim they can really provide coaching or anything like that. How far out in the sticks do you have to live that it's a fucking multiple day vacation just to be at a game store and hope to get some games in? But can't also just find a hotel nearby? They don't have a space large enough to hold events or anything of that sort either(half the time since when they show the gaming area rarely in videos, it's a cluttered mess, but still also just not that big).
damn, its like my japanese anie may's love hotels but more homosexual since you're there to play a shilled and flawed wargame instead of banging without being in a bughive, cant imagine the situation many will be in that they need to rent a hostel with their buds just to go play 40k outside of people living in Uber bughive conditions, even the shittiest appartment can fit a 6x4 table or whatever the fuck you need for 40k dont they?
Minority report, this concept COULD make some sense. I don't see that given the available rooms tho, and this just seems like someone trying to get on AirBnB's "unique stays" list, but you could make it work.
Basically you have your Wargaming crash pad which would let you bring in people form from outside the local area and give them a place to crash for tourneys without needing to worry about trying to fight the local business conference.
The issue with this one is there is not enough rooms for any sort of serious tourney nor enough table. But even if just used this set up to host your tourney's "super bowl" final game.... there is one adult room and 2 bug hives/child ghettos. Sure you can have support staff/guests stay in the bug hives, but you'd need another "Officer" room for each player at minimum.
You can also do a fun expense dodge where....
You have your Virginity Restoring Resort and you can expense the rooms when you bring in guests for your wargaming channel. 3 rooms with 1 queen and 6 bunk beds seems like a lot, but entourages can add up. And because its listed publicly you can just have the business "pay itself" for the guests without any issues about it not being accommodation.
But I dunno how many guests they'd have come visit in a year and that seems like bad ROI vs comping them a couple rooms at the Mariott.
I guess the other question is "What is in the area?" I used to live in an area with a big yearly music event, and I know people who made 3-4 months rent by just clearing out of town for a week and renting out their apartments to attendees. One guy I knew paid his mortgage renting out his house for two weeks to event crews and just sleeping in his garage. He even let a select group of people give him $25 a night to set up tents in his back yard, and would borrow a friend's van and run an event shuttle in the morning. I knew a guy who inherited a house that was something like 5 minutes from the main gate at Cedar Point ("You could walk there except you'd die on the road in") and said it was booked solid from May to August. He lived there just enough of the year it didn't count as an accommodation, I didn't press on the details.
to be clear: It is my impression none of these "Smart moves" apply in this case. This looks like a manchild hobby project or the general "imagining other people think like I do"/"wouldn't it be cool if..."/"Someone should..." thinking that leads to a lot of failed businesses. But there is a CHANCE they aren't retards.
Can I just say, I genuinely fucking hate it when a YouTuber makes a video that can basically be boiled down to 'muh engagement, muh analytics, muh algorithm' - literally, why do I need to know any of that shit, how is any of that shit my fucking problem, and why the fuck do you think I care?
I don't care how much you're losing out on on ad revenue, I don't care if you fucking drop dead at the end of this video, just do something fucking interesting, that I presumably subscribed to your channel for in the first place.
It's cynical, predatory and preys on the parasocial relationship your viewers have with you.
The reason internet hotshot tards get office space is because it is a business expense and because it 'proves' the business is legit to the IRS; if you run your business out of your home the IRS is much more likely to want to see your books and make sure you aren't declaring personal expenses as business. Having office space in the local office park provides a clear barrier.
Example, painting your wall green for your greenscreen- is that personal or business?
Like I said, it makes sense depending on the size and needs of the channel. They had studios for 2 channels there, an extra studio(for some reason) for the main channel, meeting rooms and so on. At least they had the sense to rent out the additional office space(and I assume they're doing more of that as part of their downsizing). It's just the size of the building that makes no sense to me, for a fucking art channel. Especially since with the many videos over the years about how they need more money.
to be clear: It is my impression none of these "Smart moves" apply in this case. This looks like a manchild hobby project or the general "imagining other people think like I do"/"wouldn't it be cool if..."/"Someone should..." thinking that leads to a lot of failed businesses. But there is a CHANCE they aren't retards.
Maybe, but it just doesn't make much sense to do as a heavily warhammer themed thing for any of that. Maybe they're counting on being a bit away from the canadian border at niagra falls? I don't know.
Can I just say, I genuinely fucking hate it when a YouTuber makes a video that can basically be boiled down to 'muh engagement, muh analytics, muh algorithm' - literally, why do I need to know any of that shit, how is any of that shit my fucking problem, and why the fuck do you think I care?
I don't care how much you're losing out on on ad revenue, I don't care if you fucking drop dead at the end of this video, just do something fucking interesting, that I presumably subscribed to your channel for in the first place.
It's cynical, predatory and preys on the parasocial relationship your viewers have with you.
Like I said, I've never seen this e-begging shit actually work out long term. It always ends up being the short term go-to method every few months. Especially considering this weird niche of a channel that thinking about it... wtf do they even do?
They don't do lore, the occasional random batrep. They don't do painting tutorials, but they do painting videos without really explaining anything. They constantly build tables/terrain for games, but then don't do anything with them nor are they really providing instructional content for making full tables or terrain. They make one random tabletop hobby related video a week, well that shouldn't take 3 hosts and a dedicated editor. Sure they aren't filming everything but they're also known for dragging their ass on projects to even film. I wonder why their viewership and ad revenue keeps dwindling...
I'm not even sure what the point of this is either, since they don't have any seriously competitive players on their staff to claim they can really provide coaching or anything like that. How far out in the sticks do you have to live that it's a fucking multiple day vacation just to be at a game store and hope to get some games in? But can't also just find a hotel nearby? They don't have a space large enough to hold events or anything of that sort either(half the time since when they show the gaming area rarely in videos, it's a cluttered mess, but still also just not that big).
They do also actually have a functional side business as a 3d print farm. Sometimes it's just Canadian, but other times they're doing North American printing for shit like kickstarter rewards(for campaigns that weren't their own). I suspect they turned some of the rooms into that, because The Ork Hut is the only one that comes up to book if you don't click directly on the room and just enter dates and number of people. They also pretty frequently do their own kickstarters for terrain seemingly pretty often, although looking at their modular terrain you still need to glue fuckloads of magnets and there's a ton of fiddly pieces so I don't get the appeal.
Their normal batrep content is fucking boring, a cut down stream is still 60-90 minutes long with weird camera angles and it's just not good. The spam of their channel being 50% shit you can't watch without paying them is fucking ridiculous. But they've also had pay to watch content for years before youtube was supporting it, so I guess they've got enough of a fanbase for that over time.
PlayOn seems to fulfill the fantasy for people who can't be bothered to leave the house to find people to play with, or grasp that wargaming is actually a social activity so they just live vicariously through them, while the "show" itself with it's interviews, commentary, voice overs, and so on with their little leagues and narrative events is almost like the nerd equivalent of WWE. I can see the appeal of it as a product... however it does have the side effect of convincing some people(i've only run into this a couple of times for 40k, compared to say... critical role and D&D) that a 2000 point game is played in an hour, that everyone has insane setups with wall projectors, lights built into tables, etc. kind of like the idiots who think Critical Role is a typical D&D experience. But they've also hosted big narrative events for the public, done a couple live shows with the audience rolling giant novelty dice for them, shit like that.
I used to live close enough to MWG (about an hour away) and I went a few times. I got the impression that they used the hotel thing to house the people who could come in to do their battle reports for the weekend, for free, since I met some people there that would drive in from the new york or some areas beyond toronto, stay for the weekend, shit out battle reports, and leave. I think people stayed there when the toronto GT is on, but other than that there are pretty much no other events in the area that would warrant people crashing there for anything else. Even then toronto is like, 2.5 hours away, if traffic is managable, so I dont even know why the fuck you would stay there. Also Welland is a dump, so once again I dont know who is realistically staying there.
I would also like to say, a lot of people just go to meet the Dave and thats about it, and there is certainly a crowd of people that are constantly at the store to get a glimpse of the autist himself. Kek, he has even cultivated a cult of personality where paypigs will pretty much buy whatever 3dprinted slop they pump out.
I got the impression that they used the hotel thing to house the people who could come in to do their battle reports for the weekend, for free, since I met some people there that would drive in from the new york or some areas beyond toronto, stay for the weekend, shit out battle reports, and leave.
that's why I said the single adult room and single table made the most sense for channel guests.
I dunno, maybe its just their version of a project car.
Like I said, it makes sense depending on the size and needs of the channel. They had studios for 2 channels there, an extra studio(for some reason) for the main channel, meeting rooms and so on. At least they had the sense to rent out the additional office space(and I assume they're doing more of that as part of their downsizing). It's just the size of the building that makes no sense to me, for a fucking art channel. Especially since with the many videos over the years about how they need more money.
Depending on lease rates, it might be fine and not that much. It could be location, or just what could be found. Its probably not a smart move but there are factors where it could make sense, and they at least seem to be downsizing before they are fully forced to do so.
maybe subletting was the plan the whole time but then covid.
hell, maybe they were planning to rent out the studios to other youtube sloppers?
I don't think the issue is so much that they don't have space to play and live in a bughive. Rather it's that they live out in the middle of bumfuck nowhere in the Canadian wilderness with no one else to play a game with in a 4 hour radius so they only way they can get a game in is to make it into a vacation.
Also, sure I could host a game of 40k at my place no problem. But the list of people that I know who play, that I'd be willing to invite even to my neighborhood let alone my home, is 2 maybe 3. Meanwhile at the game store there's plenty of acquaintances I can find to play a game with but I'd also never be willing to go to their home either. Of course I don't live so far away from civilization that it would be reasonable to need a place to spend the night rather than just drive the fuck home after a game either.
Now the people from my TTRPG group(of which there is some overlap with the wargaming friends), yeah I'd have no problem putting together a one shot or something and having a BBQ just for the hell of it.
In many countries local game stores providing space to play games isn't really a thing. There used to be clubs for that but they are all dead so unless you have friends who play from somewhere else you're SOL outside of tournaments. Maybe Canada is like that as well?
Tours of the place are kinda funny. The guy just sounds like he's hyping himself up about after doubting whether or not he just blew his money. I recall seeing a news video with some local city people doing a ribbon cutting or something for the place, but I can't find it on a cursory search.
In many countries local game stores providing space to play games isn't really a thing. There used to be clubs for that but they are all dead so unless you have friends who play from somewhere else you're SOL outside of tournaments. Maybe Canada is like that as well?
I'm sure Canada has some private clubs the US has a few(generally pretty rare), but Canada definitely has space in retail stores(well, probably not GW stores, at least in the US they only seem to have maybe 3 tables and usually occupied with crap for demo games) for open gaming. Clubs generally don't work well in North America(Canada included) due to the size, sprawl, and cost in a centralized enough area to be worth a shit. Square footage of space in Canada can be as expensive or moreso than some parts of the US the more populated the area is, making it cost prohibitive. There are some areas in the US where public schools will rent out their gyms on weekends and during summer break for small events, but that's not an available option everywhere either, usually has a fairly hefty cost associated with it(if even allowed) and isn't something you could really utilize to host a permanent club either.
In my area, leasing a reasonable space say... 2,500 sqft is going to be $20-$30 per sqft(and it goes way up from there if you aren't out in some random office park on the outskirts of town)/year so that's $50-75k before utilities(which now you're paying commercial rates), security, insurance, the lawyer to sort out this contract mess between the people willing to go in on this agreement, any renovations needed(some of these locations either already are, or would need to be gutted and renovated) and then any additional upkeep on top of that. And that's all before opening up, collecting dues from members, fees for visitors(if you allow or require that), and this is assuming that if you're not out in bumfuck egypt, that you probably don't already have a half dozen(or more) places within a 45 minute drive and no one needs to bother with anything because there's probably already a shop in the area with available space that handles all of that as a part of business as well as a means to attract customers(turns out people actively gaming in game stores can generate interest from random people walking in and seeing that a community for said games exists).
