Tabletop Community Watch

[Ghostse]

There used to be clubs for that but they are all dead so unless you have friends who play from somewhere else you're SOL outside of tournaments. Maybe Canada is like that as well?

This is less common in the US. Stores usually have the space for tables. I would expect America Jr. to be the same way.

In my area, leasing a reasonable space say... 2,500 sqft is going to be $20-$30 per sqft(and it goes way up from there if you aren't out in some random office park on the outskirts of town)/year so that's $50-75k before utilities(which now you're paying commercial rates), security, insurance, the lawyer to sort out this contract mess between the people willing to go in on this agreement, any renovations needed(some of these locations either already are, or would need to be gutted and renovated) and then any additional upkeep on top of that. And that's all before opening up, collecting dues from members, fees for visitors(if you allow or require that), and this is assuming that if you're not out in bumfuck egypt, that you probably don't already have a half dozen(or more) places within a 45 minute drive and no one needs to bother with anything because there's probably already a shop in the area with available space that handles all of that as a part of business as well as a means to attract customers(turns out people actively gaming in game stores can generate interest from random people walking in and seeing that a community for said games exists).

Somewhat off topic, but
in one of the places I lived in, a local Model Railroad club took over a storefront in a dying mall. They never opened the doors but you could see their layout through the glass. Aparently they used (and double secured) the space in the back for workshops and had their setup visible from the walk way with a motion sensor you could wave at through the glass to run the trains. There was a daycare operating down the wing so their set up got a lot of foot traffic and had "child level" track running.

I talked to some of the members at the food court when they were there doing some work on their set up; the state had a lot of crime and I guess their former clubhouse had been broken into or almost broken into several times. When they looked at the costs of security or actual monitored alarms it was pretty insane, one of the members jokingly mentioned the local fading mall because they had security. Everyone did a "Ha Ha ha...well, wait. They have that, temperature control, pest control, no leaky roofs.... how much would it be?" and the answer was "When you are willing to take the weird shaped storefront that every business that took it before failed or moved because of low foot traffic becasue of quirks in mall design, with a fucked up loading dock every retail tenant complained ceaselessly about... about what they were paying before to get robbed by hoodnigs."

 

[p1138]

Somewhat off topic, but
in one of the places I lived in, a local Model Railroad club took over a storefront in a dying mall. They never opened the doors but you could see their layout through the glass. Aparently they used (and double secured) the space in the back for workshops and had their setup visible from the walk way with a motion sensor you could wave at through the glass to run the trains. There was a daycare operating down the wing so their set up got a lot of foot traffic and had "child level" track running.

I talked to some of the members at the food court when they were there doing some work on their set up; the state had a lot of crime and I guess their former clubhouse had been broken into or almost broken into several times. When they looked at the costs of security or actual monitored alarms it was pretty insane, one of the members jokingly mentioned the local fading mall because they had security. Everyone did a "Ha Ha ha...well, wait. They have that, temperature control, pest control, no leaky roofs.... how much would it be?" and the answer was "When you are willing to take the weird shaped storefront that every business that took it before failed or moved because of low foot traffic becasue of quirks in mall design, with a fucked up loading dock every retail tenant complained ceaselessly about... about what they were paying before to get robbed by hoodnigs."

I've seen similar in other places as well, but it does require having a dying mall(not that uncommon) and that is also accessible in the hours you need for your club but when you look at how expensive the model train hobby can get(makes 40k look cheap by comparison), you also expect those people to maybe have a bit more disposable income. But yes your example is indeed valid, just not common.

But yeah, a 2 hour drive in the UK means you've traveled halfway across the country. A 2 hour drive in North America you haven't even left the state/province yet. I think the furthest regular from the local store I go to the most is 60-90 minutes away(depending on traffic), and they're just fine with that(even though they've definitely got other stores between the one I go to, and where they live, so maybe they've got other family in the area they they visit or something).

 

[Ghostse]

I've seen similar in other places as well, but it does require having a dying mall(not that uncommon) and that is also accessible in the hours you need for your club but when you look at how expensive the model train hobby can get(makes 40k look cheap by comparison), you also expect those people to maybe have a bit more disposable income. But yes your example is indeed valid, just not common.

I asked about access hours and apparently as long as you are an owner or listed/keyed employee, you can come and go as you please whenever. You just need to check in with security or do so ahead of time and use the administrative access doors. Mall Admin was completely on board with them doing loading/unloading after mall hours, and never had any issues having later meetings in the back.

dunno if that's universal.

And yeah, it was almost all retired guys and their grandchildren who were in the club, and its a hobby that needs a fair bit of space in a built up area, so getting some spare space from the dying mall worked out for everyone.

Every FLGS I knew had at least one wargaming table and usually several more for boardgames/TTRPGs.
One of the FLGS which was....
The owner was a bit of a character who invented some obscure boring industrial project but the patent licensing gave him fuck-off money and he got to live his dream which was opening up a toy store. This place was super boss, imagine a scaled down Toy-r-us but then add in sections for Models, Model rail roads, Weeb-imports, and about 5 rows of all kinds of boardgames ranging from Child to German.
Anyway, they had two really nice gaming tables they wheeled into the walk way for tourneys; they were owned by customers but allowed by the owner to be stored at the store.

Spoiler

One of the stores I really miss; I looked it up a while ago, and apparently the mall closed and sold to developers, and the store owner decided to exit the retail business. Someone on reddit (so who knows if its true or complete fiction) who claimed to know the owner/former employee said Mall administration dicked him around, acting like they weren't going to sell the mall to redevelopers and then OOPS I guess we did, you have 12 months to GTFO and find a new space.
and he simply couldn't find another spot that was going to do for him what the mall did, since his goal wasn't selling product but making kids happy.

 

[p1138]

Here's an incident that happened in the board game community last month. It was very quickly resolved, but I found it worth a laugh.

The short verison, is that the producer of a board game called "Possess Me, Satan"(social deducation game like secret hitler, salem shit, and so on) contacted boardgamegeek about advertising, and was blown off because the former manager handling ads sent a response talking about having personally seen demonic possession, witnessed jesus healing people, and so on claiming that the new game in question was "too triggering". While ignoring that BGG had approved ads for occult themed games and other games with similar "non christian" themes. Instead of the advertising manager bringing it up to his own boss with his concerns presented, he just shot the whole thing down entirely on his own while babbling nonsense.

https://www.reddit.com/r/boardgames/comments/1ti33vd/tried_advertising_on_boardgamegeek_and_got_this/

Now these emails were originally from May 7th, then May 15th, and posted publicly on May 19th. The resolution and public response from BGG also posted on May 19th..

https://boardgamegeek.com/thread/3711268/update-regarding-bgg-advertising-manager

 

[Ghostse]

Here's an incident that happened in the board game community last month. It was very quickly resolved, but I found it worth a laugh.

The short verison, is that the producer of a board game called "Possess Me, Satan"(social deducation game like secret hitler, salem shit, and so on) contacted boardgamegeek about advertising, and was blown off because the former manager handling ads sent a response talking about having personally seen demonic possession, witnessed jesus healing people, and so on claiming that the new game in question was "too triggering". While ignoring that BGG had approved ads for occult themed games and other games with similar "non christian" themes. Instead of the advertising manager bringing it up to his own boss with his concerns presented, he just shot the whole thing down entirely on his own while babbling nonsense.

https://www.reddit.com/r/boardgames/comments/1ti33vd/tried_advertising_on_boardgamegeek_and_got_this/

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Now these emails were originally from May 7th, then May 15th, and posted publicly on May 19th. The resolution and public response from BGG also posted on May 19th..

https://boardgamegeek.com/thread/3711268/update-regarding-bgg-advertising-manager

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I would find this funnier except the eurphorics of the gaming community shitting on a Christian (admittedly a completely batshit one unable to separate personal belief and professional duty) is like a notice from the KKK that they discovered the Grand Cyclops' granddaddy was half-nigger and he had been lynched and driven out out of town.

now if this had been a nigger or tranny having a melty and being fired, that'd be real comedy.

 

[p1138]

I would find this funnier except the eurphorics of the gaming community shitting on a Christian (admittedly a completely batshit one unable to separate personal belief and professional duty) is like a notice from the KKK that they discovered the Grand Cyclops' granddaddy was half-nigger and he had been lynched and driven out out of town.

now if this had been a nigger or tranny having a melty and being fired, that'd be real comedy.

Nah, I don't consider any of that performative faggotry theatrical "BEGON DEMON!" while people flail around like idiots making gibberish noises to be christianity. That's why I said this guy could have taken the issue up with his superior and started concerns to actually discuss the matter, not respond directly with that bread and circus bullshit.

 

[Ghostse]

Nah, I don't consider any of that performative faggotry theatrical "BEGON DEMON!" while people flail around like idiots making gibberish noises to be christianity. That's why I said this guy could have taken the issue up with his superior and started concerns to actually discuss the matter, not respond directly with that bread and circus bullshit.

Don't get it twisted, its pretty lol that this was the response from an employee and how completely unhinged it is. But BGG firing them as a result is fairly meh, its not like there is any stakes for them in doing it.

Now if it had been a tranny melting down about their religion of cock inversions, or a nigger being fired after going on about We Was Kangz shit, now THAT would have been real entertainment because you KNOW there was some real hard thinking before putting down that termination notice.

 

[MazonLabs Recruitment Rep]

I would find this funnier except the eurphorics of the gaming community shitting on a Christian (admittedly a completely batshit one unable to separate personal belief and professional duty) is like a notice from the KKK that they discovered the Grand Cyclops' granddaddy was half-nigger and he had been lynched and driven out out of town.

True enough. It's a "Yea, what else is new?" sort of thing.

 

[p1138]

Don't get it twisted, its pretty lol that this was the response from an employee and how completely unhinged it is. But BGG firing them as a result is fairly meh, its not like there is any stakes for them in doing it.

Now if it had been a tranny melting down about their religion of cock inversions, or a nigger being fired after going on about We Was Kangz shit, now THAT would have been real entertainment because you KNOW there was some real hard thinking before putting down that termination notice.

Sure,. that would have made it funnier. Doesn't change that someone being retarded and getting themselves fired is still funny to begin with.

 

[Big Nasty]

It seems to me like many of the 3D printable kit creators who got in the game in 2019-20 or so are on the verge of burnout. Anvil has gone far far into "details too small to be painted properly" territory. Will from TMC has limited his releases due to personal real world problems, Seb (TMC) has a constant backlog due to health issues. Nate, who does simply the best modular vehicles line, has admitted that he's a bit pressed by having to push out a modular kit every month Etc.
It shouldn't be surprising if 3D print releases will diminish greatly in the near future. There's only so much you can do before fatigue sets in.
The paypigs will of course gripe, piss and cope about "AI" being the problem.

 

[Ghostse]

Anvil has gone far far into "details too small to be painted properly" territory.

I mean sure, but no one is painting their minis anyway

 

[p1138]

It seems to me like many of the 3D printable kit creators who got in the game in 2019-20 or so are on the verge of burnout. Anvil has gone far far into "details too small to be painted properly" territory. Will from TMC has limited his releases due to personal real world problems, Seb (TMC) has a constant backlog due to health issues. Nate, who does simply the best modular vehicles line, has admitted that he's a bit pressed by having to push out a modular kit every month Etc.
It shouldn't be surprising if 3D print releases will diminish greatly in the near future. There's only so much you can do before fatigue sets in.
The paypigs will of course gripe, piss and cope about "AI" being the problem.

Sure, but like @Ghostse said no one is painting their shit, because the people who buy this stuff never do anything with it. Trench Crusade is an entire community of people surrounding a "game", that no one plays. Even OPR went full stupid after just releasing some retail sellable models, and then added 50 armies of random community bullshit. Most resin 3d printer owners are consoomers that just collect and print STL files, and then never do anything with them other than continually fuck around with resins, their printer itself, etc. just printing piles and piles of trash they'll never do anything with.

And this is before the piracy issue. Every now and then one of the big 40k stl telegram channels gets nuked, and a replacement is up within a couple of days with the same sub channels and files just copy/pasted over to the new one. And that's before getting to the russian torrent forums, or that stl specific torrent website that requires submitting an STL you've found that they don't already have, to get an invite.

 

[Big Nasty]

Then there's the problem with paypig expectations. They always want the most bang for the buck. If you make infantry sets, they'll want a tank. If you give them tanks, theyll want a walker. Give them walkers, they'll want a flyer. Give them flyers and they'll want a whole ass Titan.

And then then they'll want a whole new faction with all the same things all over again, but in a different style.

 

[Miragestallio]

As a big paleo nerd, just wanted to quickly shout out CARNIVORE.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=RBSoeDQR6Jw
It's a skirmish game where you play as scientifically accurate dinosaurs battling to the death at the end of the world.

So far, the dinos that have been confirmed are:

• Velocirator
• Austroraptor
• Spinosaurus
• Stegosaurus
• Allosaurus
• Hypsilophodon

There's also ceratosaurus, styracosaurus and ekrixinathosaurus(?) included in the seemingly AI generated promotional artwork. Seems like they made another game before this as well, but I have no clue what it is.
They opened a campaign on gamefound which is where to got most of my info from, but it's not open for donations yet: https://gamefound.com/pt/projects/buer-games/carnivore?redirect_reason=language_detection. It also gives you a free model if you follow rn.

Anyways, the only reason I shared this is because I like dinos, that's all. The premise has got me hooked, so I'll probably donate and inform you guys if it's a scam or not .

IT'S OUT!!!

CARNIVORE is out and with a bang.

Ever since I made my last post, Edmontosaurus, Ankylosaurus, Triceratops and Tyrannosaurus have all been added to the final product. It hit the goal in less than an hour and as of now has doubled it, with it being just a few thousand shy from hitting the eighth stretch goal. And it will be open till the end of march.

As a final (for now) update, the campaign is over. Carnivore raised nearly ten times its initial goal and it hit all the original stretch goals. They added two more, one for brachiosaurus and another for pterosaur rules but they didn't quite make it. They are technically done though so they could be released as expansions later on if the game sells well.

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Dino fans won BIG!

As a follow up, I just received all my digital files, including the dinosaur stls, meat tokens and beta rules pdf, so I can confidently tell all of you guys that it is indeed NOT a scam and they have so far delivered on their promise.