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He's Ronald McDonald dijo:
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This scene pissed me off so much. Both my gay friends said it felt like a mockery since no one came out like this in the 1980s and would get the positive reaction he did. Somehow the AI slop is a more accurate than the actual scene. Felt like something out of Euphoria or another show from 2019-2023 with woke writing that has zero plot relation other than to poorly shoehorn diversity in. Lazy writing. Seven has plot armor that make storm troopers look like snipers.

I decided to hate watch this season since I saw people kvetching about it on tiktok. Damn what a dumpster fire. A common complaint of streaming is shows getting canceled too soon, but the inverse is Stranger Things where it suffers from its own success and loses focus. Nothing from this season looks remotely like anything from first 3 seasons. Guess its time to rewatch the Sopranos or Monk.
 
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People are posting a bunch of theories that Vecna took over Will a while ago, and all sorts of images to show we’re being played, and that a bunch of mindblowing shit, LOST-style, is going to be revealed in the finale and it’s all gonna worth it.

The only comparison to LOST is going to be how shitty the ending was.
 
StarkRavingMad dijo:
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Never thought that Stranger Things was a "great" show to begin with, but you get the gist ... lol.
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The gay stuff isn't even a problem in and of itself. Ryan Murphy produces a lot of entertaining shows by just casting his current favorite hunky chap. I'm just finding this current season utterly fucking boring. I think I'm halfway through episode 3 (might actually be 4 but I've just sort of lost track) and I've made 3 attempts now to finish the thing but I lose interest every time.

Nothing of any consequence is happening, the episodes are movie length despite not having a meaty enough plot to justify it and most of the cast are legit terrible actors.
 
Crossposting, but look at how TV Tropes is reacting to the all the backlash.

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StarkRavingMad dijo:
Steve and Robin's chemistry was one of the very few not annoying things about Season 3 ... Until they had Robin come out of the closet, that is.

Literally every couple in Season 3 was annoying as hell, except for Steve and Robin. The show spent a significant amount of time building up their relationship only to be like "jk nevermind!" It pissed me off.

Like, fine, have a gay character in your story if you want, but Stranger Things has obviously hamfisted it to a laughable degree. Bad writing is putting it mildly.

And I've always disliked Nancy. I was on Team Steve since the first season (for real, Steve breaking Jonathan's camera was more than justified-- Jonathan's a creep!). Steve is too good for Nancy, and from the spoilers I've read, it looks like Steve and Nancy are going to be the endgame? Boooooo.
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Is Maya Hawke actually gay? Who just randomly thinks that up as a plot contrivancy? It was so clearly obvious Steve and Robin were originally written to become a couple. Probably one of those “look at me” privileged liberal bitches.

And OH YEAH Jonathon was realistically weird as fuck and would’ve been shunned by the girl in real life. (Probably, I’m sure there’s at least one white knight girl out there that would go for it). I don’t like that he was doing that crap and it was never brought up again really after that incident.

My favorite characters are Steve, Ted, Derek, and Murray because they’re all either comedic without trying too hard or have solid character traits that won’t offend, but without also making them look like giant pricks, whiney babies, or self-righteous cunts. Such as much of the cast suffers from. I used to enjoy every character in S1-S2, but most are butchered now.

Oh and Sadie Sink is nice too, but only cause she’s the only female character in the show that’s nice on the eyes.
 
Sasmate dijo:
Is Maya Hawke actually gay? Who just randomly thinks that up as a plot contrivancy? It was so clearly obvious Steve and Robin were originally written to become a couple. Probably one of those “look at me” privileged liberal bitches.

And OH YEAH Jonathon was realistically weird as fuck and would’ve been shunned by the girl in real life. (Probably, I’m sure there’s at least one white knight girl out there that would go for it). I don’t like that he was doing that crap and it was never brought up again really after that incident.

My favorite characters are Steve, Ted, Derek, and Murray because they’re all either comedic without trying too hard or have solid character traits that won’t offend, but without also making them look like giant pricks, whiney babies, or self-righteous cunts. Such as much of the cast suffers from. I used to enjoy every character in S1-S2, but most are butchered now.

Oh and Sadie Sink is nice too, but only cause she’s the only female character in the show that’s nice on the eyes.
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It made sense for Steve and Robin to become a couple. And before Robin outed herself as a lesbian, her chemistry with Steve was so damn likable and charming ... And they just had to ruin it with a forced alphabet character to "subvert expectations."

I'm one of those people who never hated Steve in season 1 and found him to be immediately interesting and likable. His biggest fault in season 1 was trying to fit in with the wrong people (because he was pressured to become a popular kid), but he himself didn't do anything unsavory unless he was provoked. He was never a creep to Nancy, he would try to redirect the conversation if his friends started to trash talk about other people, and he willingly fought the Demogorgon without knowing what in the hell was going on in the season 1 finale. Lots of people say that Steve had this huge character change between seasons 1 and 2 and how be became a better person, but fuck that ... Steve was a good dude from the beginning. He was just a teenager trying to fit in and find out his sense of self (as all young people go through). The show may have tried to paint him as the "popular guy bully who loses his girl to the outcast," but they failed. lol. Steve's always been a good kid, dang it.

Now, to bring it back to Robin ... Yeah, it made sense for Steve to get with her romantically because of how much of an outcast Robin acted. She was more of an "alternative girl" ... Not like Nancy or any other popular girl that Steve had dated before. Steve may be a popular guy, but he doesn't fit in that stereotypical "popular guy" mold ... So him ending up with someone like Robin just makes sense.

But ... Nah ... Steve's the popular MAN in this show, so we gotta emasculate him, make women turn him down, and make him pine over Nancy for the remainder of the show. Ew.
 
I may be a bit biased because I am a huge fan of Dark, which has the best casting in existence, but does anyone else have trouble remembering who is even related because the casting is so bad?

Johnathan is Will’s brother but he looks half Asian to me?

Nancy and Mike I have to remind myself are related because they are never together or care about the same things that are happening, but at least both look like birds and are gaunt I guess. But Holly is their little sister?

I suppose this is the least of the Duffer brother’s problems at this point.

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By the way, Dr. Kay is totally going to be
Dr. Brenner’s Sister.

In the stage play it reveals he started the experiments because his father was taken to the abyss / dimension x in The Philadelphia Experiment and was the only sailor to return but was unable to communicate.

K will be her first name initial. She tried to speak to Eleven in the lab to say her name but she stopped her.

If she turns out to just be an evil solider then they’ve ‘Duffed’ it up once again.
 
LonelyEggRoll dijo:
I may be a bit biased because I am a huge fan of Dark, which has the best casting in existence, but does anyone else have trouble remembering who is even related because the casting is so bad?
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I don't have trouble remembering the cast, but on reflection, Dark is just a much better TV series. This last season has been a joke; the Demogorgons were once a terrifying aspect of the show, but now these seven-foot lanky motherfuckers who rip through armed infantry in seconds have extreme trouble fighting a small woman with a broken bottle. It's just sad and pathetic.

 
I'll say this, the worst casting decision was to have Mike and Will look so much like one another in the beginning. You needed four recognisable faces for the gang to work and there were so many times it'd be easy to confuse Mike with Will etc. I feel like that's one of the reasons they kept seperating Will from the gang so much as it'd lead to confusion.
 
What makes the "coming out" scene so contentious is its placement, the logic behind it, and the malaise of promising shows jumping the gay shark.

The choice of having this kind of scene right before the final battle is jarring. Vecna could be merging worlds right at that moment, and Will stops and grabs everyone, not to give a motivational speech or vital piece of insight, but to stammer out that he likes men. Could this not have happened on the car ride over? The scene itself wastes runtime in an already bloated season and undermines the stakes at hand.

The mindset behind it is goofy, too. Will is worried about his sexuality being exposed, and his solution is to come out in front of everyone and hope they support him. What if this ragtag group of characters living throughout the aids crisis isn't unanimously supportive? The attitude of making a big deal about your sexuality to all of your friends feels like a disgustingly modern approach and not a plausible one for a 1987 setting. Perhaps the message here should have been to believe in what you think is right and not rely on others' opinions.

Lastly, how many of today's "good" franchises start positively before degrading into stereotypically pandering garbage? Revealing pre-established characters to be some flavor of LGBT is a common red flag, as is focusing on LGBT themes when there were once none. Ironically, by forcing these elements into stories, activists have stigmatized homosexuality on screen as a sign of declining writing quality.
 
Rusty Hinges dijo:
Lastly, how many of today's "good" franchises start positively before degrading into stereotypically pandering garbage? Revealing pre-established characters to be some flavor of LGBT is a common red flag, as is focusing on LGBT themes when there were once none. Ironically, by forcing these elements into stories, activists have stigmatized homosexuality on screen as a sign of declining writing quality.
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And we could imagine a variant to a well known Stonetoss meme:
"-How LGBT themes will help ratings?
-Ratings?".
 
I haven't watched since season 3 and didn't even know there was a season 5 until I saw this thread. I read episode descriptions for s4-s5 last night (I'm not watching that shit) and I think I am caught up. Here are my thoughts that nobody asked for :lol:

Season 1 - I remember really liking this when it came out. Not enough to buy merch or rewatch it, but it was pretty cool. Nice format, genuinely spooky and had interesting characters. The only part that really ground my gears was Winona Ryder's character. I get it. You're son is missing and you are freaked out. Take some xanax and shut up already.

Season 2 - It was alright. Kind of a rehash of season 1. Max was OK as a new character but her and (especially) her brother were written a little too over the top. I don't remember much else.

Season 3 - Started off with some good ideas but I could tell a few episodes in that this was going downhill. By the end I was just hate watching. The super-magical-mini-sheboon, cutting off Steve's balls and putting him in a sailor suit to later be rejected by le surprise lesbian....lol wut? The only thing I remember about the last few episodes was liking the Russian guy just to see him get killed.

Season 4 - No plans to ever watch it but I read all the detailed episode descriptions. Steaming pile of shit.

Season 5 - Same as above. WTF is even happening anymore and who are all these people?

I'm surprised nobody has compared the mega-cringe "to stop the monster Will must first have his coming out party" to the underage gangbang in It (the novel) yet. It's basically the same premise and just as tasteless.

So they released the last episodes on Christmas and plan to release the final episode on New Year's Eve? Two of the busiest holidays of the year? What is their target audience? Mega chuds who never leave their house? :story:

They should have just stuck with season 1 being a self-contained mini series and ended on a high note. I read that it was originally conceived to be an anthology and that would have been cool. Or not since Netflix went full speed ahead woke anyway and woke ideology will never make enjoyable entertainment.

I may actually pirate and hate watch the final episode. But not on fucking New Years Eve. :lossmanjack:
 
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