Stop Killing Games (EU edition) - Moldman vs. Publishers

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Gobermental Supervisor dijo:
No, that is literally how the legislative process works.
You bring something up for discussion and after the hearing of multiple parties on the topic the commission decided to pick up the topic and follow up on it.

Your comparison demonstrates a fundamental lack of understanding how government work.
The entire point of the option to bring a petition to the EU commission is so citizen can rally support to bring attention to an issue that politicians have not realized exists and.

We got their attention, now the next step in the process is to evaluate how solutions could look like.
You are just dooming before the process has even started. Very shortsighted and defeatist.

The overwhelming response of "bUt wE AlReAdY pReSenTeD thE sOlUtioN!!!!111" just shows how irradiated people's brains are from social media and instant gratification.
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Have we read the same EU reply? It's not a "there is a conflict between right of ownership and IP laws that require us to make a special commission to balance between the two", it's "lol IP laws win. We'll talk with the wolves how they want the lambs butchered, and tell the lambs that they are to be occasionally eaten by wolves".
 
I dont know why anyone is surprised. The EU is not a democratic institution. Its a technocratic one. It wears the trappings of democracy like a skin suit in order to make what is essentially an increadibly corrupt and authoritarian organization palatable for the idiot plebes. They were never going to do anything to Ubisoft or any other multi national corporation.
 
SIMON THE PIEMAN dijo:
Piracy does not solve this problem since it does nothing to alleviate the problem of games dying because the servers went down. If piracy was the solution there would be no need for SKG in the first place.
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Radicalist dijo:
Sad part about this is "i'll just pirate hehe" don't work for dead games. Only if an autist reverse engineers the source code, then you can say you got your wish.
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The Fatriarchy dijo:
I dare you to pirate any of the online-only games that just died in recent months. Let me know how that goes, dumbass.
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AI does solve this part. We are rapidly gaining the ability to reverse engineer any program, even from the executable files. Most games have lazy code structure so it is not hard to parse. Being able to build game servers (connections, backend structure, even content) is no longer out of the realm of possibility for a small group of even mild autists with a stack of tokens. Honestly what they could design and implement probably would beat most AAA game ideals.
Another AI route is to just port the games asset's into a new engine (Daggerfall Unity is a good example) and build the multiplayer service off that. The limitation is clearly defining the features and logic and the quality of LLM to run it through. If people can vibe code Minecraft clones with fable, others can plan and execute detailed game modification projects of existing products.
The Commission considers that at this stage it cannot propose a legal obligation to keep video games playable after they stop being provided commercially. This is due, also, to existing intellectual property rights.
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So buying totally is not ownership... Right got it. Piracy is now totally not stealing. At least that is clarified.
 
The Fatriarchy dijo:
All the piratards showing up in the thread who don't understand that this is almost exclusively about software that can not be pirated is good comedy.
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For real. Pirating a game with servers shut down because it's always online™️ means you're just pirating the .exe and the installer with nothing to play at the end. These people sound like bots that recognized a keyword or two which caused them to post a generic piracy meme here.

Dead internet theory at its finest. Farms ain't safe from it.
 
acid_ra1n dijo:
so the part im confused about is after reading the commissions response i think they said part of skg was outright illegal due to existing IP law
so if the parliament actually does anything theyd probably have to strip skg down at least a bit to make it the legally compliant version right?
or is the idea that parliament is going to completely disregard the commission and pass it anyways?
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The Commission is responsible for handling newer legislation. The Parliament is responsible for handling already existing legislation but can also alter and edit too within their own jurisdiction. The two parties don't really work alongside eachother, because they operate differently by that difference in which I described. Which is why if SKG can't get the the good side of the Commission, they still have a crack to get through to the Parliament.
 
While I'm not opposed to SKG, it's always annoyed me that it wasn't just something like the loss of IP protections after a creative work has existed/left idle for 3-10 years. The fact that private servers are effectively illegal to host — even for currently available games — is ridiculous. Recommend the Mentis video on it, feel like he had a good take.

I'm a bit glad to see it fail in that I will never trust the EU to implement something like this in any sane manner, but it might've been better than nothing at all. I think the answer just continues to be propagation of piracy, private servers hosted in... less compliant countries; and (hopefully) the dismantling of IP law (lol, lmao, even).
 
the aging locust. dijo:
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You can't get away from the niggers what's your point?
You show me the BASED store you can get DRM free games from. Half the games you pirate are cracked by insane trannies too
 
Hooked on phobics dijo:
Holy fuck you are REALLY outing yourself for being retarded aren't you???
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He's not incorrect. Note he said "effectively illegal."

That's technically true, because of the key word "effectively," depending on the hosting location. It is foolish to do in the US, because an IP holder can sue you at any time for hosting or creating software for a private server. All they have to do is convince a judge to let it through and allow subpoenas of email providers or suchlike.

Nobody wants to fight something like that even if they know they would win. It's undue stress for a hobby. Not everyone has the will of someone like Null.
 
X Prime dijo:
He's not incorrect. Note he said "effectively illegal."

That's technically true, because of the key word "effectively," depending on the hosting location. It is foolish to do in the US, because an IP holder can sue you at any time for hosting or creating software for a private server. All they have to do is convince a judge to let it through and allow subpoenas of email providers or suchlike.

Nobody wants to fight something like that even if they know they would win. It's undue stress for a hobby. Not everyone has the will of someone like Null.
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Then he should have specified servers for dead always online games.. that's a massive difference, I thought he was suggesting my HALFLIFE server was illegal, like tf you mean.

Articulation, its not just for skeletons.
 
Ultimately this is companies wanting to have their cake and eat it. Rental vs Purchase was an okay model: Game was kinda shit? Wouldn't replay it? Can't or don't want to buy? Rent it! Save money! Game's good? Replayable? Wanna milk it? Purchase! It's great value anyway, compared to other entertainment offers. The subscription model of keep paying for some EOMM infested gachafied store slop is horrible and should die.

Videogames are a weird medium in the sense that you could realistically compare them to both books and movies. I've seen a lot of normietards specially on Reddit compared them to movie theatres:

"Well duUUuUUUh of COURSE you don't get a lifetime pass to a theater AFTER THE THEATER CLOSES!!!"

Honestly, if the asks are reasonable, this might go through eventually. At the very least, if the lobbyists are so brazenly claiming that buying IS NOT OWNERSHIP, then etc etc. Which has been said before, sure, but it'll likely mean a couple things in practice:

- Piracy will most likely not be further legislated against. Countries like Germany have fines. If the lobbyists claim that you will rent forever and you will like it, these fines might go away, or consumers might get extra protection: Matter of fact, the resolution did already claim that customers might be entitled to refunds under current legislation already.
- Some legislation might actually come up to make emulation and restoring of dead online services straight up legal rather than just a gray area.

Netflix doesn't get to charge for a subscription if it doesn't provide the service. The gym doesn't get to just charge you and then refuse your entrance every single day. I've got books older than me: Shit, I got books older than my parents. One time purchase, lasting longer than one lifetime. I still frequently play Tekken 3. I understand that some suited up, coke-addicted asshole will say "Well gee that company lost money making that product that you've used for upwards of 20 years, that's just bad business."

I understand why they are so adamant about not letting this go through. Same reason consoles aren't retro compatible. They know they couldn't fucking hack it in a market where all the classics were still readily available, maybe even had modern features added.

Not to be the nth piratard in the thread, and I understand that this is mostly about GaaS bullshit that got shut down, but dudes, if PlayStation Home of all things got revived by fans, you'll get your shot to replay The Crew eventually. Pretty much anything up to PS3 is available online. And PS1 has gotten online multiplayer recently. It feels like it's a matter of time.

Realistically, companies have nothing to lose by just going with the flow and releasing the tools to create custom servers. They'd look good. It's not as if superpowerful autists won't reverse engineer that shit eventually anyway.
 
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