Opinion Science Fiction is a Left Leaning genre

This is a thread about the political stance of a large body of works of fiction, so I feel that Whitehall is the place for this thread rather than Spacebattles Main.

One thing that I can say with reasonable certainty is that over the two centuries or so of it's existence Science Fiction has far more often come from a left leaning source or has adopted a position that was left leaning (at least by the standards of the time). Let's look at a sampling of Science Fiction Works and Authors that most people would consider significant and were financially successful.

  • Frankenstein: written by proto-Feminist Mary Shelly.
  • Jules Verne: wrote works critical of Imperialism (Captain Nemo, an Indian who'd lost his family to British Imperialism and who hates the strong who oppress the weak).
  • HG Wells: Socialist with a lot of Socialist Ideals manifesting themselves in his work (The Time Machine is the big obvious one, but also the Invisible Man and The Sleeper Awakes) and was critical of British Imperialism (The War of the Worlds).
  • Issac Asimov: Prolific SF writer, atheist, feminist, die hard new dealer, supporter of LGBT rights when it was unpopular.
  • Superman*: Lead Character is an Immigrant, was used against the KKK.
  • Captain America*: A comic created in 1940 designed to embody everything American who's villain were Nazis. Unpopular run as a Anti-Communist figure got retconned into being an imposter. Often pitted against US Nationalists.
  • Twilight Zone: a lot of episodes were highly critical of society, usually from a left wing perspective.
  • Star Trek: has as an idealized future a techno-socialist society which a vast number of peoples have set aside their differences and strive together in which in which diplomacy and science are positive traits.
  • XMEN: Allegory against Racism and Prejudice in General.
  • Ursula K. Le Guin: Acclaimed SF writer from a Feminist and Environmentalist Perspective.
  • Star Wars: A dictatorship arises due to militarization and strong man politics and it and it's runaway military/industrial complex needs to be resisted by a rag tag group of teenagers. The basics of this came out just after the Vietnam War.
  • Alien Franchise: Has women in traditionally male roles as well as a corporation willing to send people to their deaths to gain control of the xenomorphs.
  • Mobile Suit Gundam: Highly popular and influential anime which has a distinct anti-war message as a core theme.
  • Terminator: US military builds a superintelligent AI which proceeds to start a nuclear holocaust and plans on exterminating all of mankind on top of feminist themes.
  • The Matrix: Made by a pair of Transgender Women with Transgender Themes woven into it.
  • Avatar: Ferngully in Space.
This is not a comprehensive list, of course.

This is not to say that these works are all the products of Perfect Leftists (especially given the argument you'd get in trying to define what constitutes a "Perfect Leftist") or are 100% Left Leaning even considering that the world they came from. Nor are we saying that Conservative Science Fiction does not exist, but it is a lot less common and a lot less influential. The most Right Leaning form of science fiction out there would probably be military Sci-Fi, but even that is not a hard and fast rule. Leaving aside the occasional reactionary like Kratman most military Sci-Fi for a long time has been onboard with a feminist idea of women serving alongside men in the Space Navy or as Space Troopers which was something many IRL conservatives oppose. A lot of military SF has roots in Robert H. Heinlein's Starship Troopers and Heinlein and while Heinlein at that point did have a lot to say about military service as a positive thing and all that he was also not a conventional conservative by any means. Some of the Post Apocalyptic stuff has a Right Wing bias to it, but post-apocalyptia is a more contested field since the cause of said apocalypse is usually something such as climate change or nuclear war brought about by militarism. Not to say there are not exceptions elsewhere, but those exceptions are less common and more marginal.

As for why this is the case, I can't say for certain. One possible factor is is that science fiction had been a more niche product for much of the twentieth century which was other than the norm, either current or historical. In "The 50-Year Mission: The Complete, Uncensored, Unauthorized Oral History of Star Trek: The First 25 Years" there are some comment about how a writer in the 1960s should quit that weird childish new Trek show and write some Western, though this is more of a historic reason. Maybe it's because people on the left tend to think more about where society is going in a more proactive way where things might be good (UFP, The Culture) or bad (Polluted Cyberpunk Dystopia**) but either way they'll be different from the status quo while conservatives think about an idealized present or romanticized and often mythological view of the past. But I would posit that there is some reason for this either in the subject manner or the culture which is prone to consuming it which leans left.

Would you agree with this or not?

*While there is a whole lot of fantastic elements in both their worlds, Superman is an Alien and Captain America is the product of advanced drugging/genetic modification/something vaguely on that line that would qualify as SF beings. Wonder Woman for that matter has always been a Feminist character, but she's a fantasy being.
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You'd have to be a pants shitting retard to not notice pretty much all Japanese sci fi glorifies the Japanese imperial years. Japan as an insular, authoritarian nation led by men an arm's length from the military is pretty much a given in any sci fi anime, and that aspect is usually not questioned.

Scifi should be largely apolitical. Politicizing the genre makes for poorer stories. Scifi is supposed to be about the interactions between man and his creations, not what the author thinks is politically best.
 
I love how they quoted that sci-fi often has women in combat roles.

Unlike modern science fiction movies, tv, and books, those women often died just as horribly as the men, highlighting the horrors of war. It was a warning that some things are not fit for man nor beast and women should not be so eager to be treated like slightly weaker and flawed men.

But no, it just jets over these cretins heads.
 
Scifi is honestly working exactly as intended here and the author of the list misses the point entirely.

Star Trek was set in what amounts to the pinnacle of golden era sci fi settings. Peaceful post-scarcity utopia. I always saw the premise being that the humans aren't really even human anymore and we see man's vices reflected in the aliens they meet.

Alien was about a corporate dystopia. The company didn't care about the crew at all. Each one of the Nostromo astronauts willingly traded the lives they knew for a fat stack of cash, the trip took them decades. Not exactly feminist or liberating.

Star Wars episode IV is literally a damsel in distress plot. Leia doesn't get much agency until episodes V and VI and in VI she gets objectified pretty overtly.

The author has absolutely no critical thinking skills and is probably a consoomer of Marvel.
 
IIRC someone who posted on /pol/ once claimed the Federation acts "white" and the aliens act "non-white".
What the fuck does this even mean? Acts (insert race here). You can’t ACT a certain race. You can act under certain VALUES, MORALS, CULTURE, AND BEHAVIORS, but literally nothing is more inherent to one human then another. Also,
>>/pol/
Opinion discarded.
 
I love how they quoted that sci-fi often has women in combat roles.

Unlike modern science fiction movies, tv, and books, those women often died just as horribly as the men, highlighting the horrors of war. It was a warning that some things are not fit for man nor beast and women should not be so eager to be treated like slightly weaker and flawed men.

But no, it just jets over these cretins heads.
I thought it was about technology making the physical differences between the sexes less relevant, "the great equalizer" and all that. These points are close together in a way though, these same technologies overshadow individual differences, and make it easier for authorities to view people as interchangeable bodies to throw into the meat grinder.

For what it's worth Starship Troopers the book portrayed the Marines as all picked men with an intense training regimen designed to weed out the majority, the only "combat roles" the women had were piloting dropships.. because they were more agile or something. So certainly not an example of this.
 
It's hard to think outside of one's cultural framework, so racial biases will come out (but they do have an aggressive darkie race and a big nosed greedy race....🤔)

I'm not sure if I'd even applaud star trek for having a mixed race crew, modern scifi has almost always assumed an inevitability of a race mixed earth.
 
The thing that amuses me the most about Sci-Fi is that even when it's not Mil Sci-Fi, the writers of the "right" leaning stuff have a tendency to be former military. Not all of them, but there's a lot of vets in the old school stuff (Heinlein, Gene Wolfe, Jerry Pournelle, David Drake, etc.) and even some of the newer stuff (Nick Cole, Jason Ansbach, etc.). Or Mormons and Catholics.

Meanwhile, this is a shining example of the kind of...person that writes the left leaning shit

Whatever Vox Day's faults, he's not wrong about John Scalzi. I have a feeling the local sheriff might want to look in his crawlspaces or dig up his garden.
 
The thing that amuses me the most about Sci-Fi is that even when it's not Mil Sci-Fi, the writers of the "right" leaning stuff have a tendency to be former military. Not all of them, but there's a lot of vets in the old school stuff (Heinlein, Gene Wolfe, Jerry Pournelle, David Drake, etc.) and even some of the newer stuff (Nick Cole, Jason Ansbach, etc.). Or Mormons and Catholics.

Meanwhile, this is a shining example of the kind of...person that writes the left leaning shit
https://youtube.com/watch?v=ud5mtzhFSuw
Whatever Vox Day's faults, he's not wrong about John Scalzi. I have a feeling the local sheriff might want to look in his crawlspaces or dig up his garden.
John Scalzi, who considers himself an internet tough guy, is a case study in what is wrong with today's sci-fi scene.

That and the SFFWA is full of fucking pedos, troons, and commies.
 
John Scalzi, who considers himself an internet tough guy, is a case study in what is wrong with today's sci-fi scene.

That and the SFFWA is full of fucking pedos, troons, and commies.
Which is funny, since he once commented that his 12-year old daughter could lift more than him and he was proud of that. To be fair, she's half cave troll but I can't imagine being proud of that. I'm glad Baen still exists so I can avoid the pedos and throw money at Larry Correia and that modern Mil Sci-Fi figured out self-publishing. There's a few other good things out there, but the genre has fallen a long way since the greats. No Gene Wolfe or Jerry Pournelle or Frank Herbert or Roger Zelazny these days sadly.
 
Yeah, if you know anything about him, his racism was just another expression of his extreme shut-in personality from being raised by the 19th Century equivalent of a Helicopter Mom in a gated community... when the family wealth ran out (and Mom was sent to a legit loony bin) he was tossed out into a world he wasn't trained to cope with and thus his suspicion and fear of ANYTHING that didn't match his limited childhood experiences.

When you realise that the eldrich horrors that Lovecraft envisioned were a merely by product of his shut in and depressed mind. The monsters were the outside world that was "beyond human comprehention" to him.

Its both scary and sad...
 
Also, Gundam does have anti-war messages, but it's also pretty damn clear that pacifism is a folly ideal in its multiverse. Especially when you get to stuff like Turn A and Wing where pacifism is outright mocked.

Zeon does have a lot of intentional Nazi imagery. It's because they were meant to be the easily understanble visual villians, ala the Empire in Star Wars, and that the Zabi family perverted legit reasons for independence and self governance into a family totalitarian dictatorship. Japan has a big soft spot for them because they recognize that Side 3 had some legit points.

These people keep grasping at fiction and attempt to shape it to meet their real world issues. It's the Harry Potter syndrome where everyone who disagrees with them becomes Voldemourt.
Yeah, that "wow, cool robot" meme really grinds my gears, which makes me glad that it's often mocked by counter-meme. Gundam imparts that "war is hell" with a lot of suffering involved, sure, but definitely not "war is bad" as it is ultimately moral to stand up and fight against genocidal conquerors. The fact that the heroes of Gundam do so despite the suffering they endure is what makes them goddamn heroes, and the Gundam itself a symbol of good.
 
The nature of leftism is never to stay in the same place, but to always move "forward" towards some yet unattained ideal. It makes it very easy to claim that everyone smart in the past (particular sci-fi writers) was leftist, if you define it by "advocated for stuff that a modern normie would consider a positive change" .

The people were considered leftist 20 years ago are today "alt-right" to the new left.

Surely the leftism of almost 100 years ago hasnt changed at all in the eyes of the present...at all.
 
I did find a Wikipedia page called “Libertarian Science Fiction”, although there are few entries to it.


Many “right-wing” science fiction writers worked in the military and/or were engineers. Frank Herbert and Heinlein were arguably libertarian.
I find it amusing they claim Ayn Rand, I know she fucking hated the Libertarian Party. They were a joke even back then.
 
Scifi is a tool to further a political goal in this case, leftists using it. Go watch rightist or centrist sci-fi shows they're just as awesome.
 
When you realise that the eldrich horrors that Lovecraft envisioned were a merely by product of his shut in and depressed mind. The monsters were the outside world that was "beyond human comprehention" to him.

Its both scary and sad...

Some, though Shub-NIGGURath with a thousand dark young is every ghetto sheboon ever.
 
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