Opinion Science Fiction is a Left Leaning genre

This is a thread about the political stance of a large body of works of fiction, so I feel that Whitehall is the place for this thread rather than Spacebattles Main.

One thing that I can say with reasonable certainty is that over the two centuries or so of it's existence Science Fiction has far more often come from a left leaning source or has adopted a position that was left leaning (at least by the standards of the time). Let's look at a sampling of Science Fiction Works and Authors that most people would consider significant and were financially successful.

  • Frankenstein: written by proto-Feminist Mary Shelly.
  • Jules Verne: wrote works critical of Imperialism (Captain Nemo, an Indian who'd lost his family to British Imperialism and who hates the strong who oppress the weak).
  • HG Wells: Socialist with a lot of Socialist Ideals manifesting themselves in his work (The Time Machine is the big obvious one, but also the Invisible Man and The Sleeper Awakes) and was critical of British Imperialism (The War of the Worlds).
  • Issac Asimov: Prolific SF writer, atheist, feminist, die hard new dealer, supporter of LGBT rights when it was unpopular.
  • Superman*: Lead Character is an Immigrant, was used against the KKK.
  • Captain America*: A comic created in 1940 designed to embody everything American who's villain were Nazis. Unpopular run as a Anti-Communist figure got retconned into being an imposter. Often pitted against US Nationalists.
  • Twilight Zone: a lot of episodes were highly critical of society, usually from a left wing perspective.
  • Star Trek: has as an idealized future a techno-socialist society which a vast number of peoples have set aside their differences and strive together in which in which diplomacy and science are positive traits.
  • XMEN: Allegory against Racism and Prejudice in General.
  • Ursula K. Le Guin: Acclaimed SF writer from a Feminist and Environmentalist Perspective.
  • Star Wars: A dictatorship arises due to militarization and strong man politics and it and it's runaway military/industrial complex needs to be resisted by a rag tag group of teenagers. The basics of this came out just after the Vietnam War.
  • Alien Franchise: Has women in traditionally male roles as well as a corporation willing to send people to their deaths to gain control of the xenomorphs.
  • Mobile Suit Gundam: Highly popular and influential anime which has a distinct anti-war message as a core theme.
  • Terminator: US military builds a superintelligent AI which proceeds to start a nuclear holocaust and plans on exterminating all of mankind on top of feminist themes.
  • The Matrix: Made by a pair of Transgender Women with Transgender Themes woven into it.
  • Avatar: Ferngully in Space.
This is not a comprehensive list, of course.

This is not to say that these works are all the products of Perfect Leftists (especially given the argument you'd get in trying to define what constitutes a "Perfect Leftist") or are 100% Left Leaning even considering that the world they came from. Nor are we saying that Conservative Science Fiction does not exist, but it is a lot less common and a lot less influential. The most Right Leaning form of science fiction out there would probably be military Sci-Fi, but even that is not a hard and fast rule. Leaving aside the occasional reactionary like Kratman most military Sci-Fi for a long time has been onboard with a feminist idea of women serving alongside men in the Space Navy or as Space Troopers which was something many IRL conservatives oppose. A lot of military SF has roots in Robert H. Heinlein's Starship Troopers and Heinlein and while Heinlein at that point did have a lot to say about military service as a positive thing and all that he was also not a conventional conservative by any means. Some of the Post Apocalyptic stuff has a Right Wing bias to it, but post-apocalyptia is a more contested field since the cause of said apocalypse is usually something such as climate change or nuclear war brought about by militarism. Not to say there are not exceptions elsewhere, but those exceptions are less common and more marginal.

As for why this is the case, I can't say for certain. One possible factor is is that science fiction had been a more niche product for much of the twentieth century which was other than the norm, either current or historical. In "The 50-Year Mission: The Complete, Uncensored, Unauthorized Oral History of Star Trek: The First 25 Years" there are some comment about how a writer in the 1960s should quit that weird childish new Trek show and write some Western, though this is more of a historic reason. Maybe it's because people on the left tend to think more about where society is going in a more proactive way where things might be good (UFP, The Culture) or bad (Polluted Cyberpunk Dystopia**) but either way they'll be different from the status quo while conservatives think about an idealized present or romanticized and often mythological view of the past. But I would posit that there is some reason for this either in the subject manner or the culture which is prone to consuming it which leans left.

Would you agree with this or not?

*While there is a whole lot of fantastic elements in both their worlds, Superman is an Alien and Captain America is the product of advanced drugging/genetic modification/something vaguely on that line that would qualify as SF beings. Wonder Woman for that matter has always been a Feminist character, but she's a fantasy being.
**Insert "that's today!" Joke Here.

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Mobile Suit Gundam: Highly popular and influential anime which has a distinct anti-war message as a core theme.
Lol nice example to show how utterly stupid the person writing this is. Anti-war isn't left-wing exclusive, there's plenty on the right who also detest it (especially of late), but Vietnam, the Gulf Wars, and Afghanistan have really done a number on overall perception given who started those conflicts.

Would probably blow a few brain cells on their side if they knew just how pro-war Lenin, Trotsky, and the like were in their prime.
 
FIFY.

Very few people born before 2001 would assume "veteran" was only used for military veterans, based on this evidence I'm going to assume you were either born after 2001 or read the book for the first time after the mid-2000's.
The confusion around the term veteran already existed in 1980 as evidence by the quote from Heinlein taken from 'Expanded Universe', but you are correct at least about your assessment of when I read it.
But as a point of clarification my assumption was not for no reason, my assumption that service meant military service is not just that the term veteran is used in the text exclusively to refer to people who severed in the military either in a combat or non-combat but also the absence of reference to any other forms of service.
I don't require an autistic level of evidence either, at this point any evidence will do. I'm just asking if anywhere in the novel there are example of service that is not military orientated?
 
This has been extremely noticeable the past few years, but it's laughable and frustrating how a Certain Side keeps trying to appropriate literally everything from culture to entertainment. Troons invented music, blacks invented everything, all the cool, intelligent and enjoyable shit you like was made by communists and leftists actually. It's astounding how they're the stereotype of the woke who literally can't create, so they steal or take over things and try to destroy what they can't.

People who say 'stop playing with toys and go outside' don't understand how powerful control of entertainment can be. Yes there will always be brony spergs, but you control what people watch, play and consume and you wield a significant amount of social power. It's the same thing as the news but probably more insidious since the intent is always under something that's just meant to be innocent fun.
 
Dune was about a group of religious fundamentalists forming a drug cartel to bust some trade unions. Sounds pretty leftist to me.
 
hp "oh god why is the cat named that" lovecraft rolling in his grave
Horror is an inherently conservative genre. It's about the "other" intruding on the normalcy of known reality. Unless you cop out and do a "humanz r the reel monsters" which is 100 percent of leftist horror.

Modern fantasy was created by a mama's boy from Texas and an English Catholic philologist. Modern horror was crafted by a sperg from Rhode Island and his followers.
 
The confusion around the term veteran already existed in 1980 as evidence by the quote from Heinlein taken from 'Expanded Universe', but you are correct at least about your assessment of when I read it.
But as a point of clarification my assumption was not for no reason, my assumption that service meant military service is not just that the term veteran is used in the text exclusively to refer to people who severed in the military either in a combat or non-combat but also the absence of reference to any other forms of service.
I don't require an autistic level of evidence either, at this point any evidence will do. I'm just asking if anywhere in the novel there are example of service that is not military orientated?
Hard labor and/or experimental subject work for you?
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Would probably blow a few brain cells on their side if they knew just how pro-war Lenin, Trotsky, and the like were in their prime.
Are you kidding me? "No, no, here's why non-stop war permanent revolution is totally a good thing!" is what they'd try and sell you on.
 
Harlan Ellison, Robert A Heinlein & the whole of Warhammer 40K would like a word with you.
  • HG Wells: Socialist with a lot of Socialist Ideals manifesting themselves in his work (The Time Machine is the big obvious one, but also the Invisible Man and The Sleeper Awakes) and was critical of British Imperialism (The War of the Worlds).
HG Wells was an anti-Semite.
  • Alien Franchise: Has women in traditionally male roles as well as a corporation willing to send people to their deaths to gain control of the xenomorphs.
Ripley was written for a male actor & swapped out for a woman at the last minute.
  • Star Wars: A dictatorship arises due to militarization and strong man politics and it and it's runaway military/industrial complex needs to be resisted by a rag tag group of teenagers. The basics of this came out just after the Vietnam War.
Star Wars was inspired by World War 2 & the Nazi party were leftist socialists, ergo, the Sith & the Empire are leftist.
  • Mobile Suit Gundam: Highly popular and influential anime which has a distinct anti-war message as a core theme.
Anti-war sentiments are neither left nor right.
  • The Matrix: Made by a pair of Transgender Women with Transgender Themes woven into it.
Those things were retroactively added as an afterthought.
Leaving aside the occasional reactionary like Kratman most military Sci-Fi for a long time has been onboard with a feminist idea of women serving alongside men in the Space Navy or as Space Troopers which was something many IRL conservatives oppose.
Robert A Heinlein also believed that one should serve the state to have a say in it, so by the fast and loose definitions of today, he would've been considered a rightoid fascist.
Bradbury would arguably be considered conservative (tell me the Cancel Culture of today aren't essentially Fahrenheit 451's Firemen).
Bradbury literally wrote Fahrenheit 451 because he hates TV. No, I'm not making it up & it's not hyperbole.
 
So much gaslighting it makes me want to play Call of Cthulhu.

  • Ursula K. Le Guin: Acclaimed SF writer from a Feminist and Environmentalist Perspective.

If you ever want to see the ruin which has come to science fiction you have only to compare the two introductions to The Left Hand of Darkness.

In the modern corner you have the virgin China Miéville who spends the whole thing gushing about the gender non confirming Gethians.

In the classics corner you have the chad Ursula who talks about story telling and says the gender switching ain't that important.


Also I notice a lack of Orgasmachine by Ian Watson a somewhat dated but actual politically feminist book first conceived in the 70's. But who am I kidding I bet the authour ain't read shit...
 
The confusion around the term veteran already existed in 1980 as evidence by the quote from Heinlein taken from 'Expanded Universe', but you are correct at least about your assessment of when I read it.
But as a point of clarification my assumption was not for no reason, my assumption that service meant military service is not just that the term veteran is used in the text exclusively to refer to people who severed in the military either in a combat or non-combat but also the absence of reference to any other forms of service.
I don't require an autistic level of evidence either, at this point any evidence will do. I'm just asking if anywhere in the novel there are example of service that is not military orientated?
Labor, such as the "Terranizing" of Venus, is mentioned by Rico as being forms of service too.
 
How old was this post? Zor sounds like a very familiar name and I haven't been to Spacebattles in over a decade. I assume the leftist shit was from more refugees from Comrade Wong's Star Destroyer.net board. I remember when his admins had to take the toys away from him because he was banning anyone who disagreed with him. I'll never forgive that Chinese-Canadian motherfucker for what he did to Boyd, but that's old school Sci-Fi sperg forum business. Heavily cherry-picked list, he has Asimov but not Pournelle or Wolfe? Sure, old Sci-Fi is left wing if you leave out all the non-Left writers. Mil Sci-Fi is busy dominating self-publishing at the moment and that retard Scalzi couldn't write with any of the Baen crowd. Shit, he was proud his 12-year old daughter could out lift him. Vox Day's endless slap fights with him are amusing, and Scalzi deserves every bit of derision aimed at him.

Ellison was a bastard.
  • told a fan who sent him fanmail something to the effect of "If you wanted to thank me, you wouldn't have wasted my time by sending me this letter."
  • Groped a woman on stage at a convention
  • Got banned from the campus of Texas A&M for calling their ROTC cadet corps "the next generation of fascists"
  • Mailed a dead gopher to a publisher
  • Was more litigious than Russell Greer about perceived plagiarism
I seem to recall that before he died Jerry Pournelle had a post on his "not-a-blog" saying that while it was true Ellison didn't suffer fools, a lot of his bad behavior was exaggerated.
 
Bradbury would arguably be considered conservative (tell me the Cancel Culture of today aren't essentially Fahrenheit 451's Firemen).
One of the short stories in The Martian Chronicles is like a proto-Fahrenheit 451 also dealing with cancel culture.

Also in another story, the last man on Mars finds the last woman on Mars and would rather stay single and alone simply because she's fat lmao.
 
Ugh. Yet another Jack Vance clone who writes turgid, meaningless shit in an attempt to be deep and philosophical.
All the best scifi writers were womanizing, ascot wearing jackasses with their head so far up their own ass iy popped out their neck hole again.

If they do t fit that description their scifi was not as good as it should have been.
 
Starship Troopers is not really about the setting, its about the Main Character, the setting is there to serve his coming of age story.
That said, you could argue that he thought the system was the best because the system creates people who revere the system, and it self replicates. Like asking a Fascist to point out the downside of Fascism.
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SciFi & Fantasy worlds loosely break down into a mix of two general piles:
  • The world, with a story to explore it (Think: Tolkein & Dune)
  • The story, with a world to facilitate it (Think: Star Wars
Jamming these worlds through a modern political filter is worthless because they are exploratory in nature, its like asking someone to do higher calculus using only an abacus.
Nothing Heinlein wrote was about the characters journey especially in starship troopers.

I've read just about everything Heinlein wrote. The only thing left wing he wrote was about fucking crying women and minors. The first thing he wrote that was never published until after his death was at worst left wing gay space communism with privacy, freedom and voluntarism. And this was before the juveniles and starship troopers. He needed an editor and thank fuck he had one while he was alive until the last few novels which were mostly degenerate libertarian and somewhat unereadable (time enough for love etc.)

It was always
about his worldview and never about the characters but he learned to fake it and fake it well.

You are a dumb pretentious retard that haven't read enough of RAH. Are you a barista on minimum wage with a phd? You sound like one.
 
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