💬 Off-Topic Random Trans Thoughts, Musings, and Questions - For all your armchair psych and general sperging

[Paper Machete]

It seems you try to patchwork that problem by making the answer "They won't want to stop experiencing those thoughts", which then leads to the conclusion that "They're believing they're the opposite gender willingly" which becomes a problem for the idea since now the idea no longer can be proven. You can prove someone has transitioned willingly, you cannot prove that someone experiences a thought willingly. Sorta like how lefties insist all righties tooootally think like nazis like I have no proof cause I can't get inside their head but I BET THEY DO.

Big sigh.

I'm saying they don't want to seek genuine help in the same way someone who dooms and glooms all the time but reacts like you've shoved garlic in a vampire's face when they're given actual constructive advice. The point is these people have gotten comfortable being in the rut they're in, they like being tragically put upon, they romanticize their own struggle. It's why they congregate to talk to each other about it endlessly. Crabs in a bucket.

It's no different than addicts or people who constantly go on about how their mentals makes life hard for them. They have to first emotionally detach themselves from previous narratives they clung to that made certain habits comfortable before they start to get better. It can also be that they're offloading failures and insecurities on to the trans issue as a sort of scapegoat. You see, it's not that they're spergy shut ins afraid of building connections with other people or handling a more demanding job, it's that they're experiencing this thing called dysphoria which makes these things difficult for them.

If someone experiences thoughts unwillingly that's called intrusive thoughts and again, the best thing to do is distract yourself and not indulge them. A lot of times it begins to go away.

 

[Getmeout]

I'm saying they don't want to seek genuine help in the same way someone who dooms and glooms all the time but reacts like you've shoved garlic in a vampire's face when they're given actual constructive advice.

The hypothetical person I was referring to would want advice, the question was "What help is there for someone who has gd but does not want to transition?".

It's why they congregate to talk to each other about it endlessly. Crabs in a bucket.

Not everyone who congregates in a place to dump their troubles doesn't want help, especially since advice is a regular thing in the thread. Problem is, it's the blind leading the blind.

If someone experiences thoughts unwillingly that's called intrusive thoughts and again, the best thing to do is distract yourself and not indulge them. A lot of times it begins to go away.

Intrusive thoughts are the symptom, not the illness. For example, intrusive thoughts are a symptom of OCD, but you cannot ignore OCD away.

 

[ilovecornsyrup]

I view "reppers" the same way I view incel who whine about being short and having a negative canthsl tilt or whatever. Either way you can't change anything about it so either you accept your body as it is or spend the rest of your life in misery.

Troon ideology hinges on 3 statements:
1) Gender dysphoria never goes away, it only gets worse
2) There are no methods to fix/cure it apart from transitioning
3) Transitioning is effective at curing dysphoria
Trooning out is only logical if these statements are true, but if a single one of them is disproven or just challenged, the whole ideology collapses.

If you show these people examples of people who desisted or whose dysphoria otherwise went away with time, they'll either say "well ermm I bet he/she will troon out in 40 years" or "uhh this person never had REAL dysphoria anyway". You can't help someone who has internalized troon ideology to such a degree.

Similarly, if you show them examples of troons who transitioned fully and are still unhappy, they won't doubt the entire premise of transitioning but start pushing the goalposts like "well they should just get 5 more surgeries and then they'll be a real woman!"

I would have zero issue with dysphoric adults physically transitioning if it was actually effective, but at the end of the day it's a scam. How many trannies do you see living happy fulfilling lives?

This is a big PL but when I was a little kid I was really GNC and I guess had what today would be considered dysphoria. My parents took me to a doctor and were told to just wait and see how I'd feel about it in a decade. I was scared of going through puberty but eventually I ended up on the other side with no dysphoria. I would even say I'm happy that I'm a man.

There are thousands of stories like mine but the common thread is that most people mature out of it. Take a look at the people who call themselves reppers. Most of them are stuck at the same level of maturity as in their teens. They live with their parents, are students or NEETS, never had sex etc. In comparison and without powerleveling again, I lived alone and made my own money as a teenager.

If you don't go out and live life, you will always be stuck in the same mindset. You won't achieve any personal growth sitting around and wallowing in your misery online. Like Paper Machete already said it's a self fulfilling prophecy.

 

[Wallace]

Crabs in a bucket.

Crab mentality arises when a group of people bond together under a common grievance or narrative of victimhood, which we all know troonery loves. If one crab can escape the bucket, the other crabs may wonder why they cannot do the same. This raises some awkward questions about the grievance and victimhood narrative, which threatens their self-esteem. For example, if that other person can get over dysphoria without transitioning, or detransition and become happier for it, then why can't everyone else? Therefore, the crab must be dragged back into the bucket to avoid such uncomfortable thoughts, or denigrated and symbolically excommunicated if the crab does manage to escape. It's about keeping up the grievance and victimhood narrative in the name of protecting their self-esteem.

The 'transition or suicide' binary is also a source of a great deal of social capital as well. If there are other options, this leverage also goes away.

The grievance and victimhood narrative must be true to keep blaming others for their unhappiness. If it isn't, then their misery might be their own fault, and we can't have that. The individualism of escaping the bucket requires personal responsibility, something that is anathema to the crabs.

This is an immature mindset, to be sure. But it is one common in lolcows: obsession with how they think the world works so as to flatter their own ego, even to the point of self-sabotage and denial of reality. Everyone wants to feel better, no one wants to get better.

The hypothetical person I was referring to would want advice, the question was "What help is there for someone who has gd but does not want to transition?".

In the trans community, there isn't. As I said above, the only remedy is transition. If transition doesn't make you feel better, then either you have internalized transphobia and you are hunting the community by thinking that way (see above), and you just need more transitioning.

A lot of people who fall into the trans cult are just feeling some kind of dissatisfaction or social anxiety, which the cult diagnoses as gender dysphoria, therefore they get stuck in the 'transition or die' binary.

 

[smug comporon]

I always thought troonism being a fetish was half a joke and they were all just broken in the brain retards who were too lazy to fix their life so transitioned as that was an easier way to get validation. But holy shit, after some of them invaded my gaming space I've come to accept that people aren't loud enough about how it's blatantly a fetish.

 

[Online Fossil]

I always thought troonism being a fetish was half a joke and they were all just broken in the brain retards who were too lazy to fix their life so transitioned as that was an easier way to get validation. But holy shit, after some of them invaded my gaming space I've come to accept that people aren't loud enough about how it's blatantly a fetish.

Same. I was against the ideology because I find the idea of “men do this and women do this and if you exist outside of current gender roles you’re something else” disgusting and regressive. I had met FTMs and non-binaries and I quietly disagree with their life choices but they were usually tolerable so whatever.

Then I met my first MTF irl and he seemed fine in person but then I found his twitter which was entirely yuri porn fanart and “I love being a transbian!!!” and it’s just so clearly a fetish. He has a wife and a child. Fucking gross.

 

[hotpocalypse]

I want to know what is the mentality of Handmaidens? Why do they try so hard to defend TRAs. These handmaidens claim to be feminists but support an ideology that wants men in womens spaces

 

[Stabby_Pencil]

I want to know what is the mentality of Handmaidens? Why do they try so hard to defend TRAs. These handmaidens claim to be feminists but support an ideology that wants men in womens spaces

They have a warped view of feminism and think it's for everyone when it's really only for female people. They've confused egalitarianism with feminism and are completely unaware, that and they've had the 'transwomen are women' shoved down their throats. With the added insulation of not researching what the hell they are supporting, if they did they would find out they were wrong and we can't have that.

Tl;dr: They are completely sheltered from how the real world works and think everyone should get along.

 

[The Poopsmith]

The way I see it, these people often have grown up in a society that says men act like men and women act like women, at least their weird definition of those two. So when you're a man who acts like a woman, that's BAD. So, you conclude, maybe I'm just not a man then? It's trauma from an unfair system, sure you can "get over your addiction" and stop conflating your behavior with that of women. But you still live in said society that told you to do that in the first place.

This is where the whole idea of "gender diversity" shits itself. Men and women come in all different varieties, and to imply that maybe you're not the gender you think you are because you do x or like x just enforces that terrible, awful, transphobic concept of a binary they say they're trying to eliminate. I have a better idea: just let people be

 

[Baraadmirer]

This is where the whole idea of "gender diversity" shits itself. Men and women come in all different varieties, and to imply that maybe you're not the gender you think you are because you do x or like x just enforces that terrible, awful, transphobic concept of a binary they say they're trying to eliminate. I have a better idea: just let people be

I always found it ironic that coming up with different genders pigeonholes the two sexes into extreme representations that only a small part of the world's population embodies.

 

[Stabby_Pencil]

I always found it ironic that coming up with different genders pigeonholes the two sexes into extreme representations that only a small part of the world's population embodies.

That's because they are extreme sexists that are incapable of self-reflection, that and they think only conservatives can be sexist, racist, etc... These people fail at recognizing their own bigotry.

 

[The bird with tourettes]

What happened in Canada the other day is going to be a interesting test. Because of all the people waking up on the trans issue I'm curious to see how many news sites are going to use "she". It's disgusting that this fucker killed kids yet you know some people are going to go "HEY NO NEED TO BE RUDE". Some POS guns down kids yet I'm the asshole for not playing along in the pronoun game.

Also someone on the farms said this and it stuck with me. That when it comes to kids and something this horrific happens it's okay to get a bit MATI. I'd be more concerned if you weren't. Means you're human.

 

[Arbiter]

Envy is the root of transgenderism. They are covetous to their very core. Their entire ethos is wanting what they don't have, can't have, and will never have. Why do we prop up and celebrate a group of people entirely defined by envy?

 

[Anasa Tristis]

This is where the whole idea of "gender diversity" shits itself. Men and women come in all different varieties, and to imply that maybe you're not the gender you think you are because you do x or like x just enforces that terrible, awful, transphobic concept of a binary they say they're trying to eliminate. I have a better idea: just let people be

It is bizarre. Never before has western society been so accepting of gender non conformity. Sometimes I suspect that’s part of the problem. Some people can’t handle not having a playbook to follow and structure their lives. Some others feel the need to go as far as possible with their lifestyles to distinguish themselves as extreme and badass. (Or say fuck you Dad, LOL.) Social limits come in handy for both of those types. There’s no path to follow or a path to cleanly veer off of if there isn’t a defined path to begin with.

 

[hiringmayhem4]

Why do they admit to being trans so easily on social media?
>As a trans woman, I...

Immediately I see a man in a dress, doing mental gymnastics, thinking other people will be in awe of the stunning bravery and sheer intellect. Oh, and I immediately stop taking what they say seriously.

 

[teriyakiburns]

Why do they admit to being trans so easily on social media?

Because, however much they claim otherwise, the entire point of their lifestyle is to be visible and noticed. It's a gigantic "look at me" banner, which they attempt to use as a counter to the crushing realisation that, in the grand scheme of things, they are nobody and will amount to nothing, and will be forgotten when they die. Basically main character syndrome. You'll notice the same sort of behaviour in furries, who went from having relatively normal looking OCs, to neon-striped hybrid animal "fursonas" with glowing dicks and extra limbs and all sorts of shit like that. They want to be special and unique, so they announce their unique traits up front to gain more attention.

 

[Stabby_Pencil]

Now that there are more school shootings by troons do you think doctors, shrinks, and the like should be liable for what the troon does? Since most of them are unstable anyway and the shrinks/doctors decide to give an unstable person drugs (hormones) that fuck with the endocrine system causing them to become even more unbalanced. It might get them to actually treat what is going on with the patient instead of going hormones and affirmation first.

 

[deermeat]

I hate transhumanism. It's anti science and retarded, being pushed by tech elites who are too autistic to understand life isn't gonna be a sci fi utopia. I hate people who celebrate transhumanism, again it's just all retardation wrapped in vanity and lack of scientific awareness.
The cons outweigh the pros. Just like troons and neoliberal college people, they think they're the exception or will be the exception. They think that they are the most unique person to ever exist and that all the side effects of the things they preach will not affect them, even if it affects others. They think they will be the ones who will benefit the most from transhumanist tech because they're such an "intellectual", they're an "academic", guys. They go to college, they're just not like you plebs. They're educated. And if they aren't in college, they only listen to people who went to colleges, as clearly those people know what they are talking about.

Lol. It's literally the yuppie movement. Trannies and neoliberals act like yuppies. They deeply care about wealth and status, it's literally their whole identity. Minorities are a costume for them. I'd argue they are even more elitist. What's worse than a yuppie? A yuppie that believes in transhumanism. The ULTIMATE elitist.

 

[bouquetnine]

They're educated.

Which means they've taken more than basic biology and know that sex is more than just XX and XY. Checkmate, illiterate chuds!

 

[Lain The Tranny Beater]

At this point, pooners need to be spayed. If you're going to be a tranny, you should have no say on that matter. Too many of them get on HRT, and when their periods stop, they think it's open season to start fucking raw. And a lot of them don't know they're pregnant until they start showing symptoms. Which usually means they've been doing HRT (some don't even stop even during the pregnancy), drinking, and smoking (this includes whatever fucking drugs they're doing on top of that) throughout most of the first trimester. So they end up with kids with severe developmental issues and physical disabilities. That kid in the video is going to have gastrointestinal issues, chronic conditions, and pain for the duration of their life. So this kid is likely going to eventually have a colostomy bag, nutritional absorption issue (short bowel syndrome), kinked intestines, etc. No matter the results, these kids are looking at constant surgeries and medical intervention. Usually, these kids also end up mentally retarded on top of that.

It's bad enough that this kid is an oopsy baby, but they're guaranteed to be this pooner's new accessory for attention, competition, or something to troon out the moment they have interests. Nonetheless, these fuckers can barely take care of themselves, much less a baby. Ironic considering most pooners have such a deep need for attention that they're literally willing to compete with a newborn. One pooner pumped out a baby with a lump of fluid (?) on his head. Didn't get medical intervention for that, of course. Nope, the surgery was too easy, so this kid is permanently no-light-behind-the-eyes mentally retarded. I'm positive she never had it removed, so that window has long closed for any medical intervention. Of course, within the first year, the bitch spent thousands on her bottom surgery. If I remember correctly, not even a month or two into motherhood, they pulled that shit.