💬 Off-Topic Random Trans Thoughts, Musings, and Questions - For all your armchair psych and general sperging

This wouldn't be news to anybody, but Wikipedia is so under the trans spell that even after Imane Khelif said in an interview he had the SRY gene (meaning he is male), any edit to Khelif's wikipedia page forbids mentioning this and any edit that mentions it is reverted.

They are so mind-bogglingly invested in their narrative that Khelif saying 'yes' to whether he had the SRY gene is apparently too ambiguous to understand.

Strictly speaking, Imane likely has an intersex condition. But even that explanation still doesn't help, as this would have been known for years and should have been disclosed prior to competition. It's not like any of the other competitors benefitted from developing with excess testostrone in their bodies.
 
Strictly speaking, Imane likely has an intersex condition. But even that explanation still doesn't help, as this would have been known for years and should have been disclosed prior to competition. It's not like any of the other competitors benefitted from developing with excess testostrone in their bodies.
Yes, almost certainly the same one as Caster Semenya - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5α-Reductase_2_deficiency

Khelif is--to everyone with eyes--obviously male as an adult.
He was misclassified as female at birth.

He didn't just develop with 'excess' testosterone. He is male and developed with normal male testosterone. He is probably also heterosexual (like Semenya) and could (with medical assistance) sire children with his small, motile gametes.
 
Ever heard of reppers? It's 4trans slang, it's short for "repressing". Pretty much someone who's trans, like, wants to be the opposite gender. BUT they refuse to actually become the opposite gender, essentially fighting back against their urges.

On 4chan there's a "rep general" for reppers to talk and vent, and checking it out was eye opening, it made me realize something. There's not a lot of help for these people, is there? I mean, people who have transgender urges but don't want to act out on them. In the rep gen, you can see a lot of people claiming that their whole life is just drinking booze and trying to pretend they don't want to be a woman. They're shut ins cause they feel ashamed around people, they just spend most of their life indoors twiddling their thumbs and slitting their wrists. Someone once asked in the gen, "Does it get better?", several people responded with a plain "No, this will literally be the rest of your life.".

It made me think, how would a repper get genuine help? Is there a way to stop wanting to be trans? I feel like the average therapist would tell you "Just transition, bro".
 
Ever heard of reppers? It's 4trans slang, it's short for "repressing". Pretty much someone who's trans, like, wants to be the opposite gender. BUT they refuse to actually become the opposite gender, essentially fighting back against their urges.

On 4chan there's a "rep general" for reppers to talk and vent, and checking it out was eye opening, it made me realize something. There's not a lot of help for these people, is there? I mean, people who have transgender urges but don't want to act out on them. In the rep gen, you can see a lot of people claiming that their whole life is just drinking booze and trying to pretend they don't want to be a woman. They're shut ins cause they feel ashamed around people, they just spend most of their life indoors twiddling their thumbs and slitting their wrists. Someone once asked in the gen, "Does it get better?", several people responded with a plain "No, this will literally be the rest of your life.".

It made me think, how would a repper get genuine help? Is there a way to stop wanting to be trans? I feel like the average therapist would tell you "Just transition, bro".
Forcing themselves to live a different type of lifestyle would help immensely. If you're a shut-in you're basically just paralyzing yourself with all your issues and malingering. Basically just dooming constantly.

They basically just need to snap the fuck out of it and get a grip. It's as silly as someone saying "I'm depressed because I constantly fantasize about being a dog but I know I'll never be a dog so I just sleep around all the time in my room."

If something can't be helped the best thing to do isn't to lick your wounds with other whiney bastards but to just move the fuck on and focus on the stuff that you can control and otherwise just live your life. Such basic things are beyond them and it's pathetic, not sad.
 
Ever heard of reppers? It's 4trans slang, it's short for "repressing". Pretty much someone who's trans, like, wants to be the opposite gender. BUT they refuse to actually become the opposite gender, essentially fighting back against their urges.

On 4chan there's a "rep general" for reppers to talk and vent, and checking it out was eye opening, it made me realize something. There's not a lot of help for these people, is there? I mean, people who have transgender urges but don't want to act out on them. In the rep gen, you can see a lot of people claiming that their whole life is just drinking booze and trying to pretend they don't want to be a woman. They're shut ins cause they feel ashamed around people, they just spend most of their life indoors twiddling their thumbs and slitting their wrists. Someone once asked in the gen, "Does it get better?", several people responded with a plain "No, this will literally be the rest of your life.".

It made me think, how would a repper get genuine help? Is there a way to stop wanting to be trans? I feel like the average therapist would tell you "Just transition, bro".
It's worse than that. In some jurisdictions, 'conversion therapy' is against the law, so anything a therapist could do to help someone cope with feelings without transitioning would be labelled 'conversion therapy' and they'd be in trouble.

The more deeply the trans delusion is affirmed by society, the worse it will get for these people. I say that because this forum has shown me trans people genuinely seem to believe completely retarded things. There are men (self-styled 'transbians') who believe lesbians are rejecting them because lesbians are bigoted against trans people, and not because they're men. They genuinely believe they're women, and they genuinely believe that lesbians are 'gender identity' attracted.

I have to repeat this: public affirmation has led trans people to genuinely believe completely retarded things. For year I thought they were only pretending to believe.
 
It's worse than that. In some jurisdictions, 'conversion therapy' is against the law, so anything a therapist could do to help someone cope with feelings without transitioning would be labelled 'conversion therapy' and they'd be in trouble.
I hear Canada is very bad for this, like way worse than America is. Funny tangential thought though, isn't it odd how this is the case, but their sissy hypno anti-straight ASMR bullshit can run rampant? Wouldn't that just be the opposite side of the horseshoe? More rules for thee I guess.
 
One of the most underreported aspects of troon mentality are the psychotic aspects of gender jealousy that runs rampant through the so called “Mtf” community.

It is surprisingly common for troons to fantasize about killing and dismembering women in a fit of rage. It usually involves killing them with their hands and or using a blade followed by removal of the womb, ovaries, vagina, breasts and face. Pure Jack the Ripper/ Buffalo Bill shit. These sort of insane fantasies typically manifest when they see a pretty woman in public who they would love to skinwalk as themselves.

There’s something incredibly ironic about the fact that many liberal women who support this shit are completely clueless, to the extent just how much pure psychotic hatred a lot of these guys have for women. It shouldn’t even be surprising giving that a significant portion of the gay community also despise women.

I think that if the mainstream was ever exposed to the level of psychotic shit that is described and openly admitted to by these people in troon spaces, we would see a shrinking of support for it. At least that’s a hope I have.
 
I feel like more people should reclaim tranny iconography as that's the only way to really fight against these people online without coming across like an instigator.
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The way it works is that they can't gatekeep silly shit that isn't theirs in such a direct manner without coming across like the aggressor.
How naive. A "transphobe" is anything trannies don't like. They're always heckin' valid and right no matter what and most normies will ban the "transphobe" just to shut the tranny up. Trannies have nothing better to do than to spam the report button all day between their dilation sessions. The only solution is to burn tranny safe spaces to the ground and rebuild more sane venues like Kiwifarms.

A key part of 4chan culture was to mock redditors because they understood that reddit was fundamentally compromised. You can't reform the site through passive aggressive rage baiting.
 
A key part of 4chan culture was to mock redditors because they understood that reddit was fundamentally compromised. You can't reform the site through passive aggressive rage baiting.
And 4chan is only now starting to realize it's compromised too. I swear I saw a post on 4chan recently calling their jannies friends of Epstein. And the T is still most of the goddamn /lgbt/ board.
 
And 4chan is only now starting to realize it's compromised too. I swear I saw a post on 4chan recently calling their jannies friends of Epstein. And the T is still most of the goddamn /lgbt/ board.
A site doesn't get to be as big as 4chan without being compromised. Still, some gems have come from that board that shows the truth can't be fully controlled.
 
Ever heard of reppers? It's 4trans slang, it's short for "repressing". Pretty much someone who's trans, like, wants to be the opposite gender. BUT they refuse to actually become the opposite gender, essentially fighting back against their urges.

On 4chan there's a "rep general" for reppers to talk and vent, and checking it out was eye opening, it made me realize something. There's not a lot of help for these people, is there? I mean, people who have transgender urges but don't want to act out on them. In the rep gen, you can see a lot of people claiming that their whole life is just drinking booze and trying to pretend they don't want to be a woman. They're shut ins cause they feel ashamed around people, they just spend most of their life indoors twiddling their thumbs and slitting their wrists. Someone once asked in the gen, "Does it get better?", several people responded with a plain "No, this will literally be the rest of your life.".

It made me think, how would a repper get genuine help? Is there a way to stop wanting to be trans? I feel like the average therapist would tell you "Just transition, bro".
It's a self-fulfilling prophecy with a smidge of OCD mixed in. These rep general threads are subtly infused with troon propaganda that only amplifies the men's insecurities and eventually leads to their trooning-out because they subconsciously know that it's only a matter of time before repper eggs crack and hatch into a tranny. Not to mention the guilty fetish aspect for some of them. The only way to get help is to break out of this tranny/repper dichotomy altogether. They think they will end up trooning out BECAUSE they call themselves gay names like "repper." You just have to stop caring about whether anything you do is trans or not. Also get a life while you're at it, that's where the problem is and not in whether you have a penis or not.
 
The only way to get help is to break out of this tranny/repper dichotomy altogether. They think they will end up trooning out BECAUSE they call themselves gay names like "repper."
I'm not sure I entirely agree with that, from what I've seen, it seems to work in a similar way to body dysmorphia. Where you sorta get "spikes" from seeing yourself in the mirror, feeling your own body, showering. For them, hearing their own voice. If you could compare the two, I'm not sure someone with body dysmorphia would stop hating their scrawny body if they just stopped conceptualizing words like "bodybuilder". That could help, sure, idk. But I don't think "that's it".
Forcing themselves to live a different type of lifestyle would help immensely. If you're a shut-in you're basically just paralyzing yourself with all your issues and malingering. Basically just dooming constantly.
I think the idea is due to these thoughts you don't want to go outside, again, similar to how those with body dysmorphia will shut themselves indoors. You can force them out but from what I've seen it's really not gonna do much since they don't even want to go outside.
They basically just need to snap the fuck out of it and get a grip. It's as silly as someone saying "I'm depressed because I constantly fantasize about being a dog but I know I'll never be a dog so I just sleep around all the time in my room."
That's what you have to do with every problem, the question is how does one commence said snapping out of it and getting a grip. Especially with the example you provided, it's not easy to snap out of practical schizophrenia. We'd be in a lot better places if we could.
If something can't be helped the best thing to do isn't to lick your wounds with other whiney bastards but to just move the fuck on and focus on the stuff that you can control and otherwise just live your life. Such basic things are beyond them and it's pathetic, not sad.
The problem is that the current mental illness impedes on their ability to focus on other stuff and live their life, that is the number one trait that classifies a mental illness. Such basic things are beyond them because they are mentally ill, it's like how such basic things like walking are beyond a paraplegic. And I don't think paraplegics are pathetic.
It's worse than that. In some jurisdictions, 'conversion therapy' is against the law, so anything a therapist could do to help someone cope with feelings without transitioning would be labelled 'conversion therapy' and they'd be in trouble.

The more deeply the trans delusion is affirmed by society, the worse it will get for these people. I say that because this forum has shown me trans people genuinely seem to believe completely retarded things. There are men (self-styled 'transbians') who believe lesbians are rejecting them because lesbians are bigoted against trans people, and not because they're men. They genuinely believe they're women, and they genuinely believe that lesbians are 'gender identity' attracted.

I have to repeat this: public affirmation has led trans people to genuinely believe completely retarded things. For year I thought they were only pretending to believe.
The conversion therapy thing I'm split on, cause a lot of conversion therapy used to be "Manifest good thoughts, now give me 2,000." or "Maybe if we like attach your cock to your ear then you'll be good." but if there is a legitimate way that is proven to help people, it's stupid for it to be outlawed. Imagine outlawing help.

I've seen some trans people believe in some really retarded shit, like he/him lesbians. What a fucking oxymoron. It's why I feel bad for these reppers, society dosen't have their back, literally no one does. And society's just shooting off straight to Jupiter, getting stupider.
One of the most underreported aspects of troon mentality are the psychotic aspects of gender jealousy that runs rampant through the so called “Mtf” community.

It is surprisingly common for troons to fantasize about killing and dismembering women in a fit of rage. It usually involves killing them with their hands and or using a blade followed by removal of the womb, ovaries, vagina, breasts and face. Pure Jack the Ripper/ Buffalo Bill shit. These sort of insane fantasies typically manifest when they see a pretty woman in public who they would love to skinwalk as themselves.

There’s something incredibly ironic about the fact that many liberal women who support this shit are completely clueless, to the extent just how much pure psychotic hatred a lot of these guys have for women. It shouldn’t even be surprising giving that a significant portion of the gay community also despise women.

I think that if the mainstream was ever exposed to the level of psychotic shit that is described and openly admitted to by these people in troon spaces, we would see a shrinking of support for it. At least that’s a hope I have.
For some reason, violence has been normalized as an understandable way to vent. Ever hear of TERF breaking? Strange worrying shit.
A site doesn't get to be as big as 4chan without being compromised. Still, some gems have come from that board that shows the truth can't be fully controlled.
I've always just seen that as an inevitability, yeah. All empires fall eventually.
 
You can force them out but from what I've seen it's really not gonna do much since they don't even want to go outside.
That's why they have to do it themselves.

I think you overly identify and sympathize with these people. They're losers and they malinger and feed into each others' neurosis because they want to. At a certain point you have to recognize lost causes and just focus on your own life.

Everyone who gets into a better place in life more or less chooses to do so themselves and they're ultimately the ones who begin the work to get through things. Which is why you shouldn't lose too much sleep over it.

If someone does need help it's usually basic stuff, just being a person to them. Socialize, talk about fun things, etc. But never be an enabler, coddler, or try to play being some sort of therapist or other psychological help. It's not your place and it's unfair of anyone to ask it of you.

My biggest advice would be to stop worrying about trannies.
 
It's worse than that. In some jurisdictions, 'conversion therapy' is against the law, so anything a therapist could do to help someone cope with feelings without transitioning would be labelled 'conversion therapy' and they'd be in trouble.

That's not how that works. That's way too subjective to be under any meaningful scrutiny. I know these trannies will argue for it, but it wouldn't stand in court the way they think it will. However, in the court of public opinion, that's another story. A lot of the laws in place are focused on the more fucked up side of conversion camps. Particularly, it's more centered around the abuse children (and some adults) experience while within those camps. Also, the fact that religious institutions were misappropriating their congregants' donations to further profit from the exploitation of vulnerable families and individuals.

You would have to prove that this therapist is actively focusing on inhibiting the progression of or correcting the individual's "gender identity." Actually, treating the patients' mental afflictions that are connected to their gender won't actually put them in danger of legal repercussions. A lot of therapy isn't, and shouldn't be the therapist talking at you and giving their constant opinion. To even broach the conversation of gender identity, it would have to be why they're there or a topic they choose to touch on that session. Going after someone's license without actual, concrete evidence is going to immediately crumble. Even a civil lawsuit would be dismissed with prejudice. Look at the chic that kept suing her parents and losing every time.

The real concern is the therapy practice. At the end of the day, they are a business, and any bad PR can fuck their bottom line. Having a bunch of trannies and their handmaidens rate bombing your shit into the ground is more dangerous than the court system. They're more likely to let their therapist go over these types of bullshit complaints than an individual complaint. That type of shit can get their contract with insurance companies suspended. That's why a lot of therapists who work with gender affirming medical practice tend to nod and smile. It's not that they don't want to treat the patient individually for their issues. Too many complaints and denials for HRT therapy will cause a lot of trannies to chimp the fuck out. And when trannies chimp the fuck out, the whole place shuts down. You see that aggressively with places like Planned Parenthood that provide other services. That's why you thank troons for these women's shelters shutting down or tightening their criteria for admission.
 
That's why they have to do it themselves.
I mean. Ya, the goal is to go outside, the question is how do you build up the desire to do so. I think what's confused here is you're identifying the solution, but we all already know what the solution is. The question is how do you get to said solution.
I think you overly identify and sympathize with these people. They're losers and they malinger and feed into each others' neurosis because they want to. At a certain point you have to recognize lost causes and just focus on your own life.
I'm against complaining about a lifestyle yet not offering a path out of said lifestyle. It's like telling someone in a cult "Just stop being in a cult". If they truly want to then they can do what they want, I'm talking about people who don't want this. The problem is that you seem to be of the idea that any oddity in the brain is a choice, and that you live in a world where for some reason people just choose to stab themselves in the foot 37 times cause it's fun or something.
Everyone who gets into a better place in life more or less chooses to do so themselves and they're ultimately the ones who begin the work to get through things. Which is why you shouldn't lose too much sleep over it.
Of course, it's a choice to heal, healing isn't easy though and it can often be confusing. There's many people who want to heal, they just don't know where to start, and their brain is actively working against them. It's not a switch that can be flicked on and off. Hmmm, feeling like healing today. *Click!* Actually, nah, lemme just be mentally ill *Click!*
If someone does need help it's usually basic stuff, just being a person to them. Socialize, talk about fun things, etc. But never be an enabler, coddler, or try to play being some sort of therapist or other psychological help. It's not your place and it's unfair of anyone to ask it of you.
It can be, but remember, you're on the internet. Where not only can anyone use it, but it's so cramped that every oddity of the world is in close proximity. The internet is the one place where the exceptions become the rule, it's why in real life your friend may just struggle with time management and anxiety whilst on Tiktok you can come across some schizophrenic coke addict talking about why there's microchips in our shampoo that turn us gay. The "usual" is not here, the internet is where you find out there's A LOT more than the "usual".
My biggest advice would be to stop worrying about trannies.
Sir, you are in the "Random Trans Thoughts, Musings, and Questions - For all your armchair psych and general sperging" thread.

It's not worrying, it's just refining ideology. If someone is experiencing thoughts of becoming the opposite gender, that is wrong. So how do they stop experiencing those thoughts? The idea is incomplete and cannot be presented.

It seems you try to patchwork that problem by making the answer "They won't want to stop experiencing those thoughts", which then leads to the conclusion that "They're believing they're the opposite gender willingly" which becomes a problem for the idea since now the idea no longer can be proven. You can prove someone has transitioned willingly, you cannot prove that someone experiences a thought willingly. Sorta like how lefties insist all righties tooootally think like nazis like I have no proof cause I can't get inside their head but I BET THEY DO.

It's all about asking yourself the question, "Why should society listen to me?"
That's not how that works. That's way too subjective to be under any meaningful scrutiny. I know these trannies will argue for it, but it wouldn't stand in court the way they think it will.
Y'know I never actually thought of that, the words "conversion therapy" are vague and subjective. What would objectively count as "conversion therapy", is it the violence or the desire to change behavior. Does it have to be the desire to change behavior related to sexual or gender identity? Interesting stuff. Not sure how you would outlaw such a subjective thing.
 
Y'know I never actually thought of that, the words "conversion therapy" are vague and subjective. What would objectively count as "conversion therapy", is it the violence or the desire to change behavior. Does it have to be the desire to change behavior related to sexual or gender identity? Interesting stuff. Not sure how you would outlaw such a subjective thing.

That's why a lot of those programs have so drastically changed their methods to be more "therapeutic." You can't get in trouble if the participant is fully willing and of age. They're no longer perpetrating the actions, but giving the patients the tools to implement the actions. They no longer need fasting and prayer to create those negative associations. One of their method was making them physically ill through watching violent pornography. They're using more psychological conditioning to have these people police themselves as opposed to brute forcing it.

They banned the camps, not the conversion therapy itself. All you need to do is change the name and methods, and you get away scot-free.
 
That's not how that works. That's way too subjective to be under any meaningful scrutiny. I know these trannies will argue for it, but it wouldn't stand in court the way they think it will. However, in the court of public opinion, that's another story. A lot of the laws in place are focused on the more fucked up side of conversion camps. Particularly, it's more centered around the abuse children (and some adults) experience while within those camps. Also, the fact that religious institutions were misappropriating their congregants' donations to further profit from the exploitation of vulnerable families and individuals.

The 2024 'conversion therapy' laws in NSW:

The Conversion Practices Ban Act 2024 makes conversion practices, which can include 'conversion therapy' and suppression practices, a crime punishable by up to five years’ imprisonment.

It also creates a scheme allowing civil complaints about conversion practices to be made to Anti-Discrimination NSW.

Conversion practices are based on the false ideology that LGBTQ+ people have a ‘disorder’ or require treatment.

This can include psychological or medical interventions, counselling, or subtle and repeated messages that LGBTQ+ people can change or suppress their sexual orientation or gender identity with faith or effort.


You would have to prove that this therapist is actively focusing on inhibiting the progression of or correcting the individual's "gender identity."
But that's the point--I was responding to the post about whether there is any help for people who feel 'trans' but don't want to feel trans. There isn't, because that would be attempting to 'change' their gender identity.

Actually, treating the patients' mental afflictions that are connected to their gender won't actually put them in danger of legal repercussions. A lot of therapy isn't, and shouldn't be the therapist talking at you and giving their constant opinion. To even broach the conversation of gender identity, it would have to be why they're there or a topic they choose to touch on that session. Going after someone's license without actual, concrete evidence is going to immediately crumble. Even a civil lawsuit would be dismissed with prejudice. Look at the chic that kept suing her parents and losing every time.
I'm sorry, but I think your faith is misplaced. In places like Australia, it is illegal to pray to convert a particular congregant's gender identity or sexual orientation. This was debated around the time of the NSW law above.

The real concern is the therapy practice. At the end of the day, they are a business, and any bad PR can fuck their bottom line. Having a bunch of trannies and their handmaidens rate bombing your shit into the ground is more dangerous than the court system. They're more likely to let their therapist go over these types of bullshit complaints than an individual complaint. That type of shit can get their contract with insurance companies suspended. That's why a lot of therapists who work with gender affirming medical practice tend to nod and smile. It's not that they don't want to treat the patient individually for their issues. Too many complaints and denials for HRT therapy will cause a lot of trannies to chimp the fuck out. And when trannies chimp the fuck out, the whole place shuts down. You see that aggressively with places like Planned Parenthood that provide other services. That's why you thank troons for these women's shelters shutting down or tightening their criteria for admission.
But you are making my point! If both the law (as I contend) and public pressure (as you contend) is enough to stop therapists from helping somebody who no longer wants to feel 'trans', then there is no help for those people.

Hell, can you imagine someone starting a subreddit called 'StopBeingTrans', a self-help group dedicated to feeling comfortable in the sex you are? I doubt it would last a day.
 
It made me think, how would a repper get genuine help? Is there a way to stop wanting to be trans? I feel like the average therapist would tell you "Just transition, bro".
"Repper" here. They have to stop identifying with this crap. Yeah you might struggle with what's clinically considered "gender dsyphoria" and yeah you might be one of the few types of tranny-esc people who actually doesn't fit the typical mold when it comes to people of your gender, but that doesn't matter. None of this matters. All of this is an obsession with labels to mask underlying addictions and trauma.
If you get over most of the vices that rule you and stop picking at the wound by browsing sites that will trigger your obsessive thought patterns, you will feel better. Always.
Trying out stuff you wouldn't ordinary try is good. It's great, actually, because it forces you to confront your sense of self and pushes you out of your comfort zone. Even if you find out you don't like it, it doesn't make a difference. These people obsess over all their actions and thoughts and see all of it as an extension of themself. You have to stop identifying with your own thoughts. It isn't that serious. Everything that is external is an illusion built on collective assumptions by people who secretly share the same universal worries you do.
Nobody cares about you. It's harsh but it's true. Nobody cares! The only reason you feel like you are wrong is because you were made to feel like you were wrong, and the only reason you were made to feel wrong is because those people felt wrong personally so they subconsciously and consciously try to find the same faults in others that they see within themselves.
That and again, addiction. GD is just an excuse to fixate on something that can never be truly solved in order to avoid confronting ones own emotions. They will conflate addict behavior being related to their gender even when it isn't.

Not to mention some people just wanna wallow in their own self pity and self victimization. As long as these people keep posting on repper threads or whatever, they will never get better. The solution isn't to merely "go outside" or even to get therapy, it's one of those situations where geniune social isolation is beneficial. Sitting with your own thoughts, feeling your emotions without identifying with them, away from environments that enable your vices. A lot of people never get better because they think socializing is the way to go first and foremost, only to end up with enablers who reaffirm their bad choices and make it harder to stay grounded. I'm not saying these people shouldn't go outside, but it's less about being outside than it is getting away from places that make your vices easily accessible, so depending on the addiction, not going outside much can be more beneficial than constantly planning outings.
 
But that's the point--I was responding to the post about whether there is any help for people who feel 'trans' but don't want to feel trans. There isn't, because that would be attempting to 'change' their gender identity.
But you are making my point! If both the law (as I contend) and public pressure (as you contend) is enough to stop therapists from helping somebody who no longer wants to feel 'trans', then there is no help for those people.

Please forgive, I was working from the perspective of within the states. Here, these people are fully within their rights to be treated for their mental affliction, and patient-doctor confidentiality protects their privacy as well. Our courts don't function solely based on the implications and content of our law, but by arguing for the best interpretation of it. Ultimately, setting a precedent for that law within that state or on a federal level. The results of those will now be an

For example, pretend I'm a lawyer:
Trannies are already getting therapy due to the trauma centered around their gender identity. These individuals, by circumstance, are seeking help for their gender identity. No matter the results, the therapist and practice are fully protected due to their therapeutic approach--patient-guided. If the patient ended up detransitioning, that is not the result of the method of the therapy itself but a byproduct of the patient's mental progression/improvement. Under that logic, once again, a person wanting to detrans is seeking help due to a trauma that is linked to their gender identity. In therapy, you can't fix a concern without exploring the circumstances surrounding it. If the person's identity is shaped by SA or childhood abuse, under tranny conversion logic, treating that would have to fall under conversion therapy as well. In and of itself creating a slippery slope.

Hell, can you imagine someone starting a subreddit called 'StopBeingTrans', a self-help group dedicated to feeling comfortable in the sex you are? I doubt it would last a day.

So funny thing, r/detrans exists and is exactly doing that thing. Tranny faggots have been going after it for years, and even the actual Reddit mods can't even touch it. I believe, don't quote me on it, the ones currently running Reddit itself are troons. Either way, based on their rules and their own interpretation of them, no ones breaking any rules.

Edit: browsing the subreddit, a lot of the users are also getting therapy prior to and post-detransitioning. They are actively being treated for their gender identity.
 
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"Repper" here. They have to stop identifying with this crap. Yeah you might struggle with what's clinically considered "gender dsyphoria" and yeah you might be one of the few types of tranny-esc people who actually doesn't fit the typical mold when it comes to people of your gender, but that doesn't matter. None of this matters. All of this is an obsession with labels to mask underlying addictions and trauma.
If you get over most of the vices that rule you and stop picking at the wound by browsing sites that will trigger your obsessive thought patterns, you will feel better. Always.
Trying out stuff you wouldn't ordinary try is good. It's great, actually, because it forces you to confront your sense of self and pushes you out of your comfort zone. Even if you find out you don't like it, it doesn't make a difference. These people obsess over all their actions and thoughts and see all of it as an extension of themself. You have to stop identifying with your own thoughts. It isn't that serious. Everything that is external is an illusion built on collective assumptions by people who secretly share the same universal worries you do.
Nobody cares about you. It's harsh but it's true. Nobody cares! The only reason you feel like you are wrong is because you were made to feel like you were wrong, and the only reason you were made to feel wrong is because those people felt wrong personally so they subconsciously and consciously try to find the same faults in others that they see within themselves.
That and again, addiction. GD is just an excuse to fixate on something that can never be truly solved in order to avoid confronting ones own emotions. They will conflate addict behavior being related to their gender even when it isn't.

Not to mention some people just wanna wallow in their own self pity and self victimization. As long as these people keep posting on repper threads or whatever, they will never get better. The solution isn't to merely "go outside" or even to get therapy, it's one of those situations where geniune social isolation is beneficial. Sitting with your own thoughts, feeling your emotions without identifying with them, away from environments that enable your vices. A lot of people never get better because they think socializing is the way to go first and foremost, only to end up with enablers who reaffirm their bad choices and make it harder to stay grounded. I'm not saying these people shouldn't go outside, but it's less about being outside than it is getting away from places that make your vices easily accessible, so depending on the addiction, not going outside much can be more beneficial than constantly planning outings.
Interesting perspective, I agree in some parts and disagree in some.

First, I think what should be established is that "repper" is an internet nickname, one that most of these people use in the same way you did. Only identifying with it to easily and quickly explain their situation, I think the use of the threads is less so from identifying as "A repper, I AM a repper" and more so cause they found a place on the internet where they can vent about their shit life. I agree that it can be unhealthy though, but I disagree on how. I feel like it could be unhealthy insofar as you're frequenting a place that almost seems like proof that your life is over due to this ailment, it's not good for hope.

I do kind of get what you're getting at, but I feel like there's holes in it. Assume anything I don't reply to, I either agree with or am neutral.
They have to stop identifying with this crap. Yeah you might struggle with what's clinically considered "gender dsyphoria" and yeah you might be one of the few types of tranny-esc people who actually doesn't fit the typical mold when it comes to people of your gender, but that doesn't matter. None of this matters. All of this is an obsession with labels to mask underlying addictions and trauma.
Although I agree it shouldn't matter, "dosen't matter" is a little bit of a cope imo. It matters to about 87% of society and it always has throughout the ages, many people consider just the mere idea of a feminine man mental illness. I remember conservative youtuber, Brett Cooper, insisting a similar thing as you. Don't transition, just be as unconventional as you want! Then one day she reviewed a video of a cisgender couple where the guy was feminine and the girl was masculine, and spent 15 minutes mocking them for it. Even her own comment section was confused, "Brett... I thought you said you should do this as opposed to transitioning?".

There's a joke I tell myself, the left's approach to mental illness is by blaming everything on everyone else until you go mad. The right's approach to mental illness is by blaming everything on you until you go mad. If you have gd, it's because of an obsession YOU have to mask YOUR addiction, this is all YOUR fault actually. Can't say I agree, and I feel like this is also where the cope comes in again, you didn't make up that fixation on labels. It was instilled in you by other people, just other people who happened to fall under the "right" labels.
If you get over most of the vices that rule you and stop picking at the wound by browsing sites that will trigger your obsessive thought patterns, you will feel better. Always.
Well, of course. That will help, it won't fix you however. Kinda like how a brisk walk will help. You're not really getting to the meat and potatoes of why you feel this way.
Even if you find out you don't like it, it doesn't make a difference. These people obsess over all their actions and thoughts and see all of it as an extension of themself. You have to stop identifying with your own thoughts. It isn't that serious.
To be fair, some of your actions and thoughts are indeed an extension of yourself. If I think "Damn I wanna lick a woman's coochie" then I am gay. I can't say "Well, I don't identify with my thoughts and they aren't an extension of me--" no, that's just gay. I agree that some thoughts are passing or intrusive ergo don't actually apply to you, but if you're repeatedly thinking "Damn I wish I was a woman, I feel like crying cause I'm not a woman" maybe something is actually wrong with you.
That and again, addiction. GD is just an excuse to fixate on something that can never be truly solved in order to avoid confronting ones own emotions. They will conflate addict behavior being related to their gender even when it isn't.
Hard disagree, I've always staunchly disagreed with this idea that some people purposefully ruin their lives just for the heck of it. It's too retarded and imo is a cope people use to avoid the reality that the society they built has irreversibly fucked someone over.

The way I see it, these people often have grown up in a society that says men act like men and women act like women, at least their weird definition of those two. So when you're a man who acts like a woman, that's BAD. So, you conclude, maybe I'm just not a man then? It's trauma from an unfair system, sure you can "get over your addiction" and stop conflating your behavior with that of women. But you still live in said society that told you to do that in the first place.

I'll also say, if you yourself are a repper, this is pretty negative self talk imo. Don't beat yourself up so much, yah knoe?
 
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