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I think it's this event he's critiquing. What I find extremely ironic is that holocaust didn't happen in TNO and the focus makes little sense because they've implemented Madagascar Plan and kicked them to Africa instead, but bad writing is not their critique, rather it's nazi apologism which I can only interpret as slander since nazism is a dead 20th century ideology that no one genuinely believes in anymore.
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But wasn't that also the lore from back in the Panzer era?
 
It doesn't say it in the video but he elaborated it on the discord. I initially thought that he didn't like the quality of the mod which is understandable since I'm also picky about what I consume but his main criticism is that it's nazi propaganda.

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Give me a top hat and call me MATI. Have any of these clowns ever read a novel. Do they not understand that a scene can be written from either a character's perspective or a omniscient narrator's? Most of that event is Heydrich's internal monologue (after the player decides he doesn't kill himself). READ MORE BOOKS FOR GOODNESS SAKE.

BOOKS > movies/serials/comics. You can do so much with BOOKS. Sci fi pulp blows any Hollywood production out of the water.

The End And The Death by Dan Abnett. It has it's critics. Fine, but I like it. One of my favorite parts of the book is Horus' and Malcador's scenes. The entire book is narrated in 3rd person expect for those two.

Malcador is written in first person. He is the most rational, and calculating character, but tragically can do very little to change the events unfold around him.

Horus is written in 2nd person. He is deranged, delusional, and high on primordial power. The narration is almost a voice in his head, telling him what he should think.

Both these characters have scene that intersect with the Emperor, and have radically different viewpoints of him. The Emperor is also very interesting as we never are really told what he is thinking or planning. He's a force of nature, and we're just there for the show.

You could never write something like this in a movie, tv show, or even a game really. I LOVE BOOKS.
But wasn't that also the lore from back in the Panzer era?
Many were killed but a substantial amount were enslaved instead. Hence, why they play a significant role in both the Slave Revolt (Speer) and the Nuclear Struggle (Heydrich).
 
This focus description is factually correct.
It says that "some jews survived the final solution" which makes little sense in the context of TNO where the final solution didn't happen. That's why Jews can run three countries at the same time because there are more of them than in OTL
But wasn't that also the lore from back in the Panzer era?
Yes it is but RA uses Panzer lore afaik. I think it could be retconned in nutno where they removed jews from madagascar but I don't follow it since they rewrite their lore every week.
 
LoreDad on his latest video, relevant for @GoodWinSon
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Cumguzzler didn't even play the mod :story:
 
@GoodWinSon It's time to add an event where you make it that clear that you denounce Heydrich.
And also an event where he eats babies, so you know he is evil.
GoodWinSon wins again.
RA is too whacky and fantastical, I propose we make TNO:RA more realistic and accurate to real life, by that I mean that Goodwinson should give Israel content and give them a minigame that you have to check every week in-game about falsifying/fabricating a genocide that happened against them in the 40's by Germany in order to win sympathy from the OFN and CPS, perhaps even imply that it did actually happen but that at most only 271,000 Jews died.
 
RA is too whacky and fantastical, I propose we make TNO:RA more realistic and accurate to real life, by that I mean that Goodwinson should give Israel content and give them a minigame about falsifying/fabricating a genocide that happened against them in the 40's by Germany in order to win sympathy from the OFN and CPS, perhaps even imply that it did actually happen but that at most only 271,000 Jews died.
That does sound like something Panzer would write. Especially these days.
 
LoreDad on his latest video, relevant for @GoodWinSon
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Cumguzzler didn't even play the mod :story:
I am honestly surprised he apologized. I appreciate it, frankly.

Honestly, this situation has been funny more then anything - thankfully no children are being groomed this round (I hope). Regardless, once again my contempt of discord is justified.
@GoodWinSon It's time to add an event where you make it that clear that you denounce Heydrich.
And also an event where he eats babies, so you know he is evil.
Maybe I should add a baby mode which, when enabled, flashes a popup every in-game day reminding the player murder is bad. It will also automatically alert your parents if you do anything bad in-game. I imagine most players are intelligent, but some might actually need the help. :stress:
RA is too whacky and fantastical, I propose we make TNO:RA more realistic and accurate to real life, by that I mean that Goodwinson should give Israel content and give them a minigame about falsifying/fabricating a genocide that happened against them in the 40's by Germany in order to win sympathy from the OFN and CPS, perhaps even imply that it did actually happen but that at most only 271,000 Jews died.
That does sound like something Panzer would write. Especially these days.
Burgundian System Benjamin Netanyahu coming soon in TNORA version 13.5 alongside Stalinist Finland led by Linus Torvalds.
 
RA is too whacky and fantastical, I propose we make TNO:RA more realistic and accurate to real life, by that I mean that Goodwinson should give Israel content and give them a minigame that you have to check every week in-game about falsifying/fabricating a genocide that happened against them in the 40's by Germany in order to win sympathy from the OFN and CPS, perhaps even imply that it did actually happen but that at most only 271,000 Jews died.
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Yeah it needs event like this /sneed
 
I gotta say I did kinda enjoy the visual novel aspects of TNO. Obviously, forcing Niggers to read when they want to play a video game is stupid, but TNO's legacy being so atrocious it killed off the trend of narrative events for the most part was disappointing. I enjoyed the ESL writing
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Dead Nigger Storage Republic achieved
 
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It says that "some jews survived the final solution" which makes little sense in the context of TNO where the final solution didn't happen. That's why Jews can run three countries at the same time because there are more of them than in OTL

Yes it is but RA uses Panzer lore afaik. I think it could be retconned in nutno where they removed jews from madagascar but I don't follow it since they rewrite their lore every week.
they should just do it like how they did it in Chainsaw Man lore where the main shounen hero eats the Holocaust Devil and therefore the Holocaust never happened
 
holocaust didn't happen in TNO
Managed to find an ancient post about Panzer era Hololore. Basically, the Holocaust did happen, but was "ended" after the German economic crisis of the 1950s with the remaining Jews being enslaved. I think part of the confusion is that NuTNO updated the lore so that the Final Solution was completed.

During the 50s, the Holocaust became less of a mass murder spree and more of a slavery system, which has backfired pretty hard and destroyed the German economy. There are a lot of Jewish people still in Eastern Europe.

In the new lore the devs stated that the holocaust was completed. It wasn’t cancelled or remained on pause, it completed its goals e.g. the devs stated there are no Jews in the UK or Romania just as an example.

Their first teaser:
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Just looking at the political pie chart is cause for concern for Requiem. I've read that part of the reason for TNO's molasses pace is that reworking any of the three superpowers means reworking the rest of the world. For example, having Bormann as Führer means native-led RKs are impossible as Bormann hated anything short of complete German domination of Eastern Europe. Even though OnlyThePie mentioned that the split was caused by overambition from AMPU, this still doesn't bode well for updates about the three superpowers beyond minor revisions.
 
@GoodWinSon Your comments about perspective and reading and Dan Abnett got me thinking. If you really want to own Panzer and the TNOtroons, once RA is in a solid state, write an alt-history novel around it. Make your version of TNO the indisputably definitive version that people think of. There's an audience for it; TNO would never have been revived if there wasn't, and demand for alt-history is at an all time high with the barrier for entry in publishing at an all-time low. Make a refutation of Turtledove and Dick while fully usurping and redeeming Panzer's life work. The novel could feed into the mod and vice-versa.
 
The Deep Space 9 school of character development.
Gul Dukat did nothing wrong. He was Cardassia's #1 patriot. Rest in power king. :semperfidelis:
Managed to find an ancient post about Panzer era Hololore. Basically, the Holocaust did happen, but was "ended" after the German economic crisis of the 1950s with the remaining Jews being enslaved.
So I did remember correctly then.
@GoodWinSon Your comments about perspective and reading and Dan Abnett got me thinking. If you really want to own Panzer and the TNOtroons, once RA is in a solid state, write an alt-history novel around it. Make your version of TNO the indisputably definitive version that people think of. There's an audience for it; TNO would never have been revived if there wasn't, and demand for alt-history is at an all time high with the barrier for entry in publishing at an all-time low. Make a refutation of Turtledove and Dick while fully usurping and redeeming Panzer's life work. The novel could feed into the mod and vice-versa.
I've kicked around the idea of writing a novel in my spare time, along with modding. I did have a TNO specific idea. Basically it would be centered around Josias appointment as Reichskommissar of Kaukasien and his subsequent capture and torture at the hands of Beria. A part of the novel would be set in Germania and would center around Hitler, as well as Speer, Bormann, Heydrich, and Goering working to resolve the crisis. The relationship between the four successors would be shown off, as well as the Reich's dysfunction in the later years of Hitler's Fuhrership. I'd also introduce my lore idea for Hitler; he always intended Goebbels to succeed him. Without Goebbels, there's no one left he really trusts, and his mistrust is compounded by Himmler's betrayal. Even when he's not lucid, he refuses to show favor to anyone.

I imagine some comedy would arise from the Germania section, and the Caucasus section would lead into my plans for RK Kaukasien, where Beria is still alive and leading a brutal insurgency.
 
LoreDad on his latest video, relevant for @GoodWinSon
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Cumguzzler didn't even play the mod :story:
"This thing is a bad Nazi chud mod."
"What gave you that impression when playing it?"
"Oh I didn't play it, I just read some focus descriptions posted on Discord."
Every single time.

Do they not understand that a scene can be written from either a character's perspective or a omniscient narrator's?
These are the same people that are mad at TFR because they don't explicitly tell you that you shouldn't like Atomwaffen.

Just looking at the political pie chart is cause for concern for Requiem. I've read that part of the reason for TNO's molasses pace is that reworking any of the three superpowers means reworking the rest of the world. For example, having Bormann as Führer means native-led RKs are impossible as Bormann hated anything short of complete German domination of Eastern Europe. Even though OnlyThePie mentioned that the split was caused by overambition from AMPU, this still doesn't bode well for updates about the three superpowers beyond minor revisions.
The reason why they're reworking the entire world is because the point of TNO's reworks was always to rework the entire world. The current leads didn't like what Panzer and Pacifica made and and that's why Germany's rework alters the entire premise by replacing catalyst for change in the world. This could've been easily avoided if they wanted to, but they didn't. Over the years they even crept further with this. Remember when the RKs wouldn't need to be reworked thanks to Germany's instability being compatible with the MCW? That sure went out of the window when the last Moskowien lead left and they had the opportunity to start the tag over from scratch.

Reworking a major doesn't require you to rework the whole world and we know this from other, more successful mods. KR - the largest and longest running alt history mod for HOI4 - managed to rework most of their majors over the years without needing to create a whole new world from scratch. Changes to tone, elements of the lore and more can happen and be substantial without going to TNO's extremes. I'm sure we can list many more examples here, but TNO is the black sheep by deliberate design and other devs shouldn't let their failures set some kind of precedent for the entire community.

As for Requiem I think it's better that they work within their abilities than try to rework the major so soon. That's how a lot of projects die. The US rework of theirs doesn't really seem to fit their style either so not doubling down on it is the right call.
 
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