Pluribus - The new show from Breaking Bad creator Vince Gilligan

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I have a feeling she's gonna come to terms with killing and start using it as leverage, but I'm really curious about where they're gonna take her character. She seems like she's trying to be a good person, but has a jaded undercurrent.
 
Its kind of offputting how
all of the known survivors but ms protagonist seem as alien as the hivemind and are hunky dory with the entire human race being enslaved thing and are two steps away from jumping into a pod themselves. I would have expected the survivors to be introduced more piecemeal and be more 'normal'. I guess this might be some dramatic misdirection.

If not and these really are true survivors and the hivemind is really as benevolent as it claims that would certainly be a subversion of expectations but I'm not sure how even a talented writer could work a whole series with literally one person against the entire world with no allies at all. With the added difficulty that the hivemind has no hidden skeletons whatsoever and the other survivors are just plain dumb and uninteresting piled on top..
 
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I remember everyone (including myself) being super pessimistic about BCS when it was announced, saying it was a dumb idea, a cash grab, couldn't live up to BB but it ended up having an argument that it's better. Gilligan has earned giving it a try. And Rhea Seahorn is so cute even in her 50s.
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It WAS a dumb idea! Amazing they pulled it off so well. Great show, somehow.
 
Judging by the rest of the unaffected from the 2nd episode I can conclude that Vince Gillian is crypto-racist. And I'm 100% agree with him.
Btw were those almost 900 million people dead during the conversion Indians (hivemind detoxed itself by nuking the pajeets)?
 
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>Carol literally takes a redpill
>Pajeeta says that Carol resisting killed one of her family members
>only the american to really "oppose" the collective in any way
how did a show so based make it through the producers
 
The show reminds me of Apple's See: interesting premise, tons of misplaced non-whites, tons of artsy-fartsy shots, confused messaging and worst of all: glacial pacing.
The first two episodes alone could have been condensed to half an episode. Apple TV has a pre-2010 Netflix mandate where they drag a good story endlessly. I really like the premise, but I have no faith in the suits who run this production.
 
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interesting premise, tons of misplaced non-whites, tons of artsy-fartsy shots, confused messaging and worst of all: glacial pacing.
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This could describe Better Call Saul's first couple seasons, but it's now one of my favorite shows, so I'm willing to give Bravo Vince a chance to flesh this one out. I'd be hard pressed to name a show that didn't struggle to find its footing initially. Also, so far the white woman is the only one acting in any way rationally in the face of a potentially world ending disaster. The character you're supposed to hate is Indian, in denial, and literally screams BENCHOD when confronted with her folly.
 
I've heard mostly really good about this, but I don't know if I'll watch it. The plot to me looks very much like Invasion of the Body Snatchers but maybe that's just the trailer.
 
Miller dijo:
I hate Psycho-Pass for that shitty morale.
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I was thinking of Eureka 7 for it. Not that it's really rare in anime having a threat turn out to be the good guys after all despite having a massive body count or being dependent on murder.

With what people are talking about it, I would bet the villains in the show are groups of normal humans wanting to kill the collective.
 
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>Carol literally takes a redpill
>Pajeeta says that Carol resisting killed one of her family members
>only the american to really "oppose" the collective in any way
how did a show so based make it through the producers
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Yeah, it's hilarious how all of them are 100% down with it and only the white American sees anything wrong with it. And of course the black guy starts fucking all the women lmfao.

I hope this Indian woman isn't a main cast member. She's insufferable.
 
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>Carol literally takes a redpill
>Pajeeta says that Carol resisting killed one of her family members
>only the american to really "oppose" the collective in any way
how did a show so based make it through the producers
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Keep in mind how good Gilligan is at making villains into sympathetic main characters (ie Walter White and Saul Goodman).

If it seems based, I'm sure it's unintentional. There'll be a twist at some point where she turns out to be the bad guy or something, which will make you look at her earlier actions in a different light.

This isn't limited to Gilligan either. American History X comes to mind, where every good point Derek would raise was undercut by him then acting like a complete psychopath (see the infamous dinner scene). Hollywood is still Hollywood in 2025.
 
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If it seems based, I'm sure it's unintentional. There'll be a twist at some point where she turns out to be the bad guy or something, which will make you look at her earlier actions in a different light.
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Nah, he's stated in several interviews that this isn't another anti-hero story. Carol's a bit of a grumpy dick so far, but it's justified given what's happened and how the last people she thought she could count on are idiots. From a Variety interview:
After spending a decade and a half in the brains of a meth kingpin and a slimeball attorney, Gilligan wanted his next protagonist to be a force for good. “I wrote on ‘The X Files’ for seven years, and I started to take for granted the idea of heroes. Mulder and Scully were heroic. They were trying to save the world. At a certain point, you do umpteen million episodes of that, and you think, ‘I’m ready for an antihero or a bad guy,’” Gilligan says. (He famously pitched “Breaking Bad” as the story of a man who transforms himself from Mr. Chips to Scarface.) “But at this point in humanity and in world history, I think we need more good guys again. We need more heroes.”
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I'd say the yet unseen guy from Paraguay who's doing some sketchy things in the trailer is probably the villain.
 
My biggest issue is "hey, this alien device is broadcasting us directions to make amvirus. We should totally make it"

Which is incredibly fucking stupid.

Although I'm interested now because I dont know how the hell they're going to make a whole show around this premise.
 
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My biggest issue is "hey, this alien device is broadcasting us directions to make amvirus. We should totally make it"

Which is incredibly fucking stupid.
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Yup, but also totally believable. It only takes one dickhead to make it, and there is always one or more dickheads.
From what we've seen so far, the signal is very obviously the cause of the Fermi paradox. The new gestalt entity made from humanity has already been shown as completely unable to defend itself in any way and is therefore no longer viable as a species.
 
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