Oppenheimer (2023) - Dude helps to build a bomb, is shocked when said bomb is used

[pururun]

It's a cultural difference. Joking about tragedies the way Americans do is just not a thing in Japan.

I wish that more people would try to explain/understand the difference instead of doing endless shitflinging about which war crime was the worst, who is the more uneducated nation, who deserved what etc. I've always really disliked it when people get outraged from cultural differences and try to go after it. I don't like it when Americans do it with Japanese media and I don't like Japanese people doing it either, especially since the tweet that sparked this wasn't even directed at Japanese accounts.

 

[Car Won't Crank]

but those people were also laughing and reacting on cue to every retarded moment in the movie trailers like a fucking studio audience

That's indicative of a larger problem and doesn't only apply to media as I'm sure we all know here as members of the farms.

 

[I'm Retarded?]

That's indicative of a larger problem and doesn't only apply to media as I'm sure we all know here as members of the farms.

it's uncanny. it wasn't like that ten years ago. what happened? as I was watching the crowd flow in, I saw dangerhairs with pastel sweater vests, guys with the Skrillex haircut, soy beards, boomer wine moms, basically all the people I've ever made fun of on the internet. nobody looks like a normal person anymore. idk when everybody started getting their fashion cues from Cyberpunk 2077 NPCs. and even more offputting than that - counterpoint to their supposedly heckin' individualistic styles - were their reactions in almost choreographed unison, to the most basic, obvious cues imaginable. a character mugs at the screen and the whole theater bursts into uproarious laughter like they're getting paid for it. why am I stuck in this nightmarish simulation? why can't I wake up? what god punishes me?

 

[Odd Opossum]

there are other scenes that stand out in my mind as well, like Truman physically recoiling in shock and disgust when Oppenheimer says he feels he has blood on his hands, and then yelling "don't let that CRYBABY back in here!!!" to the guy in the room with him, loud enough for Oppenheimer to hear it outside in the hall

That supposedly happened in real life, so that's why that scene exists.

 

[I'm Retarded?]

That supposedly happened in real life, so that's why that scene exists.

idk, it's not like I have cosmic knowledge of this event or anything but the way it's depicted really smells like shit that didn't happen. for what it's worth, here's a write-up referencing the book the movie is based on:

Oppenheimer’s biographers in “American Prometheus” recounted how Truman would later retell the incident: “Over the years, Truman embellished the story. By one account, he replied, 'Never mind, it’ll all come out in the wash.' In yet another version, he pulled his handkerchief from his breast pocket and offered it to Oppenheimer, saying, 'Well, here, would you like to wipe your hands?'”

Ultimately, “American Prometheus” posits the most likely response Truman gave to Oppenheimer was a bit less dramatic. “I told him the blood was on my hands — to let me worry about that,” Truman allegedly said to a colleague.

However it went down, the exchange destroyed any collegiality the men might have formed. Truman stood up to signal the meeting was over, and Oppie walked out defeated. “Blood on his hands, dammit, he hasn’t half as much blood on his hands as I have,” Truman was overheard saying afterward. “You just don’t go around bellyaching about it.”

“I don’t want to see that son of a bitch in this office ever again,” Truman reportedly told Secretary of State Dean Acheson. In a letter to Acheson the next year, Truman referred to Oppenheimer as a “cry-baby scientist.”

so relative to its source material, the movie's depiction took some elements of truth and mashed them up into a whiny drama salad

 

[Fuck It We'll Do It Live]

idk, it's not like I have cosmic knowledge of this event or anything but the way it's depicted really smells like shit that didn't happen. for what it's worth, here's a write-up referencing the book the movie is based on:


so relative to its source material, the movie's depiction took some elements of truth and mashed them up into a whiny drama salad

The letter Truman wrote to Acheson is the most solid primary source of the encounter between him and Oppenheimer, as it exists as a physical manuscript written by the President himself on May 7, 1946, half a year later after that meeting (October 25, 1945).

Spoiler: The manuscript

Truman to Dean Acheson, memo, 5/7/46, box 201 PSF, William Clayton (HSTL) collection.

The full description given by Kai Bird and Martin J. Sherwin in
American Prometheus: the triumph and tragedy of J. Robert Oppenheimer:

Even in May 1946, the encounter still vivid in his mind, he wrote Acheson and
described Oppenheimer as a “cry-baby scientist” who had come to “my office some five or six months ago and spent most of his time wringing his hands and telling me they had blood on them because of the discovery of atomic energy.”

 

[Foltest]

The movie was fucking awesome.
You faggots who don't like are gay.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

it's uncanny. it wasn't like that ten years ago. what happened? as I was watching the crowd flow in, I saw dangerhairs with pastel sweater vests, guys with the Skrillex haircut, soy beards, boomer wine moms, basically all the people I've ever made fun of on the internet. nobody looks like a normal person anymore. idk when everybody started getting their fashion cues from Cyberpunk 2077 NPCs. and even more offputting than that - counterpoint to their supposedly heckin' individualistic styles - were their reactions in almost choreographed unison, to the most basic, obvious cues imaginable. a character mugs at the screen and the whole theater bursts into uproarious laughter like they're getting paid for it. why am I stuck in this nightmarish simulation? why can't I wake up? what god punishes me?

I've been last year in California and I thought it was bad specifically because I was in a high tech zone, disturbing to know we are already in the gayest cyberpunk imaginable.

 

[I'm Retarded?]

The movie was fucking awesome.
You faggots who don't like are gay.

 

[Tsukasa Kadoya]

Not Nolan's WORST movie (that would be Tenet) but It was flawed.
I loved the acting and writing, but the music was mixed in a wonky way.
I get it Nolan, you have precise mixtures you envision for the optimal viewing experience, but maybe DON'T be an autist and mix it so that the sound is fucked outside of IMAX. Most movie technicians are retards.
Unironically Pough's tits were fine. She sucked in the role as a whole though, the only sore spot in the cast

 

[mlanguishi]

Alright, took me a bit of time to see this. Saw it 70 standard layout, not imax.

If Cillian and Downey don't get best actor/support I'll be upset, and lately I don't care much about Oscars. Nolan as director may be, cause I'm not sure a post 90's or 2008 post Cohen Old Country for Old Men style can be directed much better.

Never seen a 3 hour movie flow this well. There was a time shortly after the test that I felt the time, but towards the end it builds to a great crescendo. Everyone I saw it with was pretty amazed, and I think it's easily the best movie I saw in a theater since No Country.

 

[Ughubughughughughughghlug]

Does the movie include the scene of Oppenheimer trying to rape a woman and then having to beg her to drop the charges?

I like frying Japanese cities with nukes because it was their just desserts after terrorizing half of Asia. Even more would have been nice.
What do you say,

@capitalBBustard?​

 

[TVB]

Does the movie include the scene of Oppenheimer trying to rape a woman and then having to beg her to drop the charges?

Yes

 

[Myrtle the Turtle]

Never seen a 3 hour movie flow this well.

Def did not feel like 3 hours. I loved the 'trial' scenes where they interviewed Oppenheimer, however I felt like at times the music was too loud for the dialogue (still loved the score). My guess is Nolan did this to avoid the movie from getting too dry however the acting is so good I wish it wasn't there for some scenes. The Trueman and Einstein scenes were short but impactful. Almost like passing the torch to a new era.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

So how did the film do in China and Vietnam?

 

[Geddy Lee's Fee and See]

I thought it was actually pretty good (even great at moments) until the ending. The whole political appointment drama subplot dragged on too long and really didn't add much to the movie. But the actual story behind the development and deployment of the atomic bomb and the interpersonal drama that occurred between the scientific and military members of Los Almos was pure kino. It kinda demythologizes what actually happened and makes every one there from Oppenheimer, Bethe, Teller, etc. seem more human rather than just a physics god. Also, the Feynman cameo was very nice. Didn't even realize that was him until he held his bongos up after the A-bomb test. Overall, a very good movie with too much political drama filler in between.

 

[Uranus Pink]

So how did the film do in China and Vietnam?

Interesting question as Vietnam and the rest of Indochina was still under Japanese control and China had about a third to half of their Republic under Japanese occupation when Japan surrendered. No atomic bombs and it would be how many months to years and how many lives lost to stamped out all Japanese resistance there and the rest of East Asia.

 

[millais]

Interesting question as Vietnam and the rest of Indochina was still under Japanese control and China had about a third to half of their Republic under Japanese occupation when Japan surrendered. No atomic bombs and it would be how many months to years and how many lives lost to stamped out all Japanese resistance there and the rest of East Asia.

Nolan could make billions if he released a special version of the film for the Chinese market, which is just 3hr 30min of Japs in Hiroshima and Nagasaki getting nuked in 3D, viewed from different angles and in dramatic slow motion. It would absolutely dethrone James Cameron's Avatar in the collective psyche of the Chinese moviegoers as the pinnacle of the cinematic spectacle.

 

[Fuck It We'll Do It Live]

Alright, took me a bit of time to see this. Saw it 70 standard layout, not imax.

Def did not feel like 3 hours. I loved the 'trial' scenes where they interviewed Oppenheimer, however I felt like at times the music was too loud for the dialogue (still loved the score).

I've seen the film three times; in IMAX shitty digital Xenon, non-IMAX 70mm and 35mm. The IMAX speakers blasted my eardrums and I couldn't hear half of the dialogue, especially the kangaroo court and Strauss conspiracy scenes. I found the IMAX Xenon's aspect ratio of 1:9:1 only really impactful with a few scenes, such as the opening Prometheus quote and the detonation of the Trinity test bomb, otherwise non-IMAX 70mm won every time, with its superior resolution (comparatively 12K/13K pixels) and colors, compared to Xenon's woeful 2K. That being said, the film is perfectly enjoyable at 35mm (with its own cropped aspect ratio of 2:40:1) and I actually preferred when it came to the drama scenes, particularly the court scenes (I felt "closer" to the conversations).

It's definitely the best film I have seen since at least 2015, Joker (2019) being a decent flick in that period. I feel that it's an excellenet example of how Hollywood should return to celluloid, but IMAX is largely unnecessary and even 70mm isn't really a major upgrade from 35mm.

Here's the film's format guide for reference:

 

[PumpkinSpiceBitchMeringue]

The thing that bugs me the most about #nobarbenheimer is that a lot of Japanese twitter users just do not understand the way Americans make fun of tragedy. They've been posting edits of 9/11 and Pearl Harbor as if we don't do that on a daily basis already.

I do wonder if eventually they'll realize they're late to the party.

Spoiler: Images