Null should take the fucking money and run gambling ads.

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1. It's money and Null and this site need money.
2. An ad is not an endorsement.
a. Even if it was, lots of people gamble like non-addictive niggers and can handle their money.
b. People that can't are going to lose their money anyway, so Null not getting money from the people taking it is dumb.
3. There are second and third order effects from both advertising and entering into a business involvement with industries.
a. When people fuck with the site, they will be fucking with ANOTHER entity's advertising. And that entity has money and connections and may not want their advertising fucked with.
b. Just like a goykipedia article, getting the foot in the door with one advertiser, even one that many consider unsavory, opens the way for OTHER advertisers. It gives legitimacy as a business to kiwifarms.
c. It also provides another avenue of communication to OTHER businesses that advertise that same entity, especially those that unduly/illegally antagonize the farms.
4. It is a voluntary and temporary entanglement - if one of those contracting advertising does something egregious or makes retarded demands on the farms and/or Null, he can just quit and be back to the current status quo. If you think advertising anything from dick pills to gacha to gambling sites would put some kind of stain on the perceived integrity of the farms, then I'm sorry to tell you, there's no cure for Down's syndrome.
5. Null is already indirectly associated via MATI to these sites via Youtube, Rumble and Kick. Anyone who wants to make aspersions or accusations based on that already can.


Take the fucking money, Null - even if it's not enough to make a huge difference financially, like I said, the second and third order effects are worth it.

Plus I have it on good authority that Null is 1/12th Cherokee, so money from gambling is his God damned birthright.
 
Just go tor-only and run Slav darknet black market ads. Imagine you're scrolling a thread about some fat hoe and there's an ad for FRESH CHINK FENT at the bottom of the page, right under the little kiwis and eggs.
 
I get Null's point about not wanting to actively promote degeneracy, however it's not like the Farms isn't full of degenerates as it is. Only said degeneracy (a) isn't gambling-related and (b) is usually kept in DM chains and/or Discord.

Given a choice between taking easy money from Evil Eddie or letting alleged rapist Liz Fong-Jones win his one-man jihad against the Farms, I'd take Ed's filthy lucre in a heartbeat on account of it being the least worst option by an order of magnitude.
 
if one of those contracting advertising does something egregious or makes retarded demands on the farms and/or Null, he can just quit and be back to the current status quo.
I think that's too optimistic. In reality, unwinding a commercial relationship can carry its own (strategic) costs. Like, once a revenue stream exists, once users and outsiders associate KF with a certain advertising category, and once counterparties begin to treat that category as part of KF's business model, then "just quitting it later" won't get you back to a clean slate.

The way I see it, assuming Null was telling the truth, he made a deliberate tradeoff. That is, someone who's fully aware of KF's finances, liabilities, and attack surface chose to not take a profitable deal. From that I can infer that Null weighted other variables (reputation, independence, operational simplicity to name a few), not just the money. I'm not saying that gambling ads are inherently illegitimate or that accepting them is an automatic mistake, rather I think Null made the choice based on the kind of relationships he wants KF to depend on.
 
Running gambling or porn ads on the site would be tantamount to admitting something about the site and the community that he's not willing to concede yet.
 
You know. When I don't think about it feels like there is lot of prediction market opportunities related to lolcows. Do they go to prison or when they go to prison for example. So many opportunities, so many bets would be possible...
 
Might as well go all in and start advertising porn to like all the sketchy piracy sites do.

Dumb nigger logic. Speeding is the same as murder. Having titty ads is the same as having an ad with a roulette table on it. People talk about gambling at normal work places.

Running gambling or porn ads on the site would be tantamount to admitting something about the site and the community that he's not willing to concede yet.

That's true and possible. But it's also why they pay for it. But he's already said he's willing to run other ads. I mean is a gambling site really worse than running a Monster or bullshit VPS ad, from a moral standpoint?

It also doesn't account for building business connections which make sites stronger, not more vulnerable.

Just because we follow the Bossman doesn't mean we gotta be like the Bossman

More dumb nigger logic. Taking money from gambling sites for advertising is not the same as being a crackhead indentured servant addicted to trying to make a digital chicken cross a road.
 
Please don’t piss off doggo in chief regarding money. He knows exactly what the situation is like, and he has to hold his cards close to his dog-chest. Would you post your bank account amount? I don’t think so.

Studies have shown people would sooner open up to poll-takers about sex before they would money. You may as well ask Null what position he likes (doggy of course :null: )
 
Nigga just donate

I mean I don't think Null would or should show the financials, but I do wonder how many monthlies the ad revenue would cover.

Please don’t piss off doggo in chief regarding money. He knows exactly what the situation is like, and he has to hold his cards close to his dog-chest. Would you post your bank account amount? I don’t think so.

I only bring it up because of what he said in the latest MATI.
 
4Chan style self-serve ads would be better and make more money for Josh IMO

Have they been offered? Does he even have a way to collect the money from them if they were?

The gambling site is the only one that I know for a fact has solicited and has a way to pay him.
 
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