Marvel Cinematic Universe

[Cubanodun]

Did they talk about this "Absolute Points" thing in Loki at all? I don't remember it. I thought the way it worked was that Kang devised the best possible timeline that would never lead to any other Kang showing up and had the TVA going around melting ppl whenever anything that didnt go according to Kangs plan happened, this apparently includes melting randos who work avarage jobs and even some ppl that are late to work.

They did not call it by name but they mention events that "have to happen", the plan of Kang apparently was to just not deviate the timelines to much that can create others like him, instead like someone in discord told me this new timelines that were created post loki is what we are seeing in the What if...? series

To resume what i can get is that there were multiple timelines but they were not to different between them and that went to the shit after Kang death

I thought that was the entire point of the Loki series, that there is only one timeline, the one Kang is manipulating in the "Place Beyond Time" or whatever, and that the multiverse only became a thing after he was killed. With that in mind, I don't understand how there could be spells and stuff out there about "Absolute Points" written by a wizard however milennia ago, or even Dr. Strange's "We know very little about the multiverse" line in the No Way Home trailer.

No, the multiverse thing was mentioned first in the Doctor Strange movie wayyy before the death of Kang, the ancient one also mention the dangers of altering the timeline and existence of other realities, the sorcerer supreme is suppose to protect it

 

[Mary the Goldsmith]

Its because americans as a whole are incredibly ignorant of other cultures and tend to group all of them into a single term, i.e grouping japs, chinks, koreans, vietnamese, as asians and thinking they are the same thing, you can see them do the same thing with latinos, grouping mexicans, brazilians, argentinians in the "latinx" category and assuming they are the same thing. I'll give you an example I used to hang out with a mexican guy back in college and once we watched some Mel Gibson movie where he is in a prison in mexico, and my friend starts sperging because the "mexicans" in the film where speaking with Argentine accents while listening to spanish music that the main character identifies as being "mariachi music", they do the same thing with chinks they assume the japs and the koreans will love Shang-chi without knowing that although they look similar they have different cultures and actually don't like each other very much.

EDIT: @Screamer I was replying to you but for some reason I can't quote your post.

 

[SteelPlatedHeart]

Is the site breaking? I can’t quote random posts and the images keep failing to load.

 

[Dr. Pasquale]

@Cubanodun​

then what is the deal with the single line representation of time shit we see in the end of Loki?

Shouldnt the Ancient One have said then: "There is a multiverse, but dont worry about it, because there is only a single sacred timeline kept in check by this Kang dude and every variation of it allowed to exist will result in the same shit"?

Also the "things in time that are supposed to happen" mentioned by Renslayer feel different to what the Absolute Points that were shown in this episode play out. In Loki they fix that shit by sending a team of dudes with time sticks to melt everything and report back to HQ, while in What If the universe plays out some sort of Final Destination scenenario where she'll die in infinite different ways.

If this Absolute Point thing was programmed by Kang in some way, wouldn't it just be better to programm all the major points in time to play out this way so you don't have to deal with kidnapping ppl to turn em into Time Cops and have them do your bidding? It's not like this nigga doesnt have enough power to do it, Loki seems to imply that his existence by itself is whats keeping the "sacred timeline" whole.

 

[Cubanodun]

then what is the deal with the single line representation of time shit we see in the end of Loki?

I wondered the same and consulted with my Cabal of nerds, the most asspull consensus we could get is that the different colors in the line represent different timelines but they dont deviate to much between them, one of my guys explained it using the Attractor fields of Steins Gate, practically is a bunch of timelines that are tied between them in the same universe every timeline is slightly different but not by much and all unite in single points aka our Absolute points on Marvel , Variants on marvel appear when someone do something wildly different and cross the attractor field of that timeline and create a complete new timeline (like Kid Loki bringing Ragnarok and killing Thor), to prevent that timeline creating another Kang the TVA pruned the thing/person that created the entirely new timeline and reset it of what Kang want its to be

To make it more weeb he explained it to me like this, lets just call the Attractor field of the MCU, field 1, the field goes from 0.000001 to 0.9999999 in those values there is only 1 Kang, but if someone break the 0.9999999 barrier to get to 1.00000 and get Field 2 then another timeline with another Kang appears, the TVA just prune anyone that cross the 0.9999999 value (aka Variants) of that field so the events keep going with only 1 Kang, he also used this to explain why the TVA just did not appear when the Avengers when back in time, because they did not cross the 0.999999 value and did not create a new timeline because they going back just change the values a little

What if....? in the other hand pass in totally different fields now that the TVA and He who remains are unable to stop the surge of totally different new timelines

/end of autism

Edit: he showed me the wikia picture to prove his point, the red lines is the 0.999999 value, beyond that is a new field and haram

If this Absolute Point thing was programmed by Kang in some way, wouldn't it just be better to programm all the major points in time to play out this way so you don't have to deal with kidnapping ppl to turn em into Time Cops and have them do your bidding? It's not like this nigga doesnt have enough power to do it, Loki seems to imply that his existence by itself is whats keeping the "sacred timeline" whole.

Nope, he doesnt control that, is a natural phenomena and he is not a god, just a very smart guy

 

[SteelPlatedHeart]

To go super hardcore reach devils advocate, maybe the whole point is no one really knows how the multiverse actually works and anyone who claims otherwise or acts as if they can have some sort of authority over it is just bullshiting out their ass. It’s a multiverse, the rules could literally change depending on what universe you’re in.

 

[The Valeyard]

Spoiler: Shang-Chi post-credits

At the end of the film Wong opens a portal to Shang-Chi and Katy having dinner with their friends saying that he needs to talk to them and they follow him into the portal.

The first post-credits scene is him analysing the Ten Rings with Bruce Banner and Captain Marvel on a holographic Skype call as seen in Endgame, they are unable to determine what material the rings are made from and say that they are much older than 1,000 years old. Wong says that when Shang-Chi used the rings they were able to sense it, and the rings are sending out a beacon.

The second post-credit scene shows that Shang-Chi's sister has taken control of The Ten Rings organisation and has made it more inclusive, allowing women to train as assassins. The final shot is a card saying that "The Ten Rings will return".

 

[Michael Wade]

Please bring back James Spader. If they do that and make him the overall bad guy of what if I will give this shit a 10 out of 10.

 

[Dr. Pasquale]

Please bring back James Spader. If they do that and make him the overall bad guy of what if I will give this shit a 10 out of 10.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=J9Mk_UDWDg0

I think the most we'll see of him is maybe him coming back to voice Ultron again in What If...? and perhaps some cameos, otherwise Id say hes done.

Ppl dont like Joss Whedon anymore and Age of Ultron wasnt even that beloved to begin with. When they call back to it in new movies they do it very lowkey style, like a line of dialogue.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

Spoiler: Shang-Chi post-credits

At the end of the film Wong opens a portal to Shang-Chi and Katy having dinner with their friends saying that he needs to talk to them and they follow him into the portal.

The first post-credits scene is him analysing the Ten Rings with Bruce Banner and Captain Marvel on a holographic Skype call as seen in Endgame, they are unable to determine what material the rings are made from and say that they are much older than 1,000 years old. Wong says that when Shang-Chi used the rings they were able to sense it, and the rings are sending out a beacon.

The second post-credit scene shows that Shang-Chi's sister has taken control of The Ten Rings organisation and has made it more inclusive, allowing women to train as assassins. The final shot is a card saying that "The Ten Rings will return".

Is the ten rings a "good assassin" club where they only kill people who 100% deserve it and because it's inclusive it's extra righteous?

 

[Secret Asshole]

I'm pretty much tired of Marvel's sanitized, emotionless, "TUNE IN NEXT WEEK", gruel that is ultimately meaningless and forgettable, having to constantly replace characters who are even less memorable than the characters that came before. They think they seem to have this magic money making formula when they don't.

The only movies I'm looking forward to are Carnage because of Woody Harrelson which I will pirate because its PG-13 and it deserves no money and the Spiderman because of nostalgia purposes. Doctor Strange 2 was supposed to be a horror film and then they changed it to fit the 'formula' was the instant I lost interest. I expect more dumb quips and some YAAASS KWEEN SLAY moments in it that I don't give a shit about.

Like the only movies I care about are the Sony ones. And lol at Marvel who thought people would be interested in generic Asian film.

 

[Dr. Pasquale]

And lol at Marvel who thought people would be interested in generic Asian film.

But dont you get it? Abomination™ is in it!

Remember Abomination from the Hulk movie nobody gives a fuck about? 10+ years later and he's in Shang-Chi, isnt that amazing!? And he's got fish ears now, just like muh comics!

 

[The Valeyard]

@wtfNeedSignUp They weren’t a “good assassin” club, but Shang-Chi’s sister was mad about not being given training like Shang-Chi and taught herself how to fight.

But dont you get it? Abomination™ is in it!

Remember Abomination from the Hulk movie nobody gives a fuck about? 10+ years later and he's in Shang-Chi, isnt that amazing!? And he's got fish years now, just like muh comics!

It was only for the one scene from the trailer as well. Wong fights Abomination at the underground fighting ring, which is won by making Abomination punch himself in the face with a portal. After the fight Wong says to Abomination that he’d told him to pull his punches, opens a portal and they leave together.

 

[That Chris Guy]

To go super hardcore reach devils advocate, maybe the whole point is no one really knows how the multiverse actually works and anyone who claims otherwise or acts as if they can have some sort of authority over it is just bullshiting out their ass. It’s a multiverse, the rules could literally change depending on what universe you’re in.

Or maybe this is Star Wars Syndrome at work, where people spend an inordinate amount of time pondering every minor detail placed before them and wanting it to have deeper meaning. Things like, "what was that slug creature that attacked Luke in the trash compactor?". Only for Disney to finally give you an answer, and as it turns out, "it's a non-binary alien priestess who was actually embracing Luke as is part of their culture in an act of defiance against the Galactic Empire" is neither the answer you wanted nor needed.

I'd suggest looking into Marvel Comics to get your answer, but they've been a collective trainwreck for a while now.

 

[Dom Cruise]

They want this to be their next black panther but don't realize that asians don't give nearly a fuck about "representation" like blacks do, and that asians don't all identify as one race.

Hope this shit stagnates, but I'm guessing there are enough white soyboys to prop it up. Not to Black Panther levels of course, but enough to give Disney an optics win.

The irony is there was maybe a little room for improvement with regards to Asians, at least as far as Asian actresses go, ie not casting an Asian actress for the Ghost in The Shell movie, I can think of plenty of Hollywood movies starring Asian actors, but only Memoirs of a Geisha* and some Lucy Liu movies.

Still not as lacking as Disney wants you think, in fact that really bothers me as I remember Asian culture was pretty popular in the US in the 2000s, plenty of Jet Li and Jackie Chan movies, it drives home how forgotten my era is today which bums me out.

*I wonder if that movie came out today there would be butthurt over the fact that they cast Chinese actresses to play Japanese Geishas? And to be fair, that was kind of silly, Chinese and Japanese people do not look exactly alike.

 

[Polyboros2]

I need the ugly buck tooth chinese woman wojak meme. I thought it was just Google hiding it, but Bing and Duckduckgo failed me too.

That's what Katy is. 90% of what was bad about that movie.

 

[biscuitscilia]

I really liked the new episode of What if, ignoring the lore stuff. I thought the emotion was handled excellently, with surprisingly good direction and atmosphere. The series up to this point was standard to below standard but this one actually had me invested to the end. I'm kinda sad to see this be followed up because it's a pretty good little tragedy involving Dr. Strange that should be it's own thing. Probably my favorite of the whole season.

 

[UnKillFill]

I need the ugly buck tooth chinese woman wojak meme. I thought it was just Google hiding it, but Bing and Duckduckgo failed me too.

That's what Katy is. 90% of what was bad about that movie.

This is what I don't get. If Disnarvel really is trying to appeal to the chink market as much as they appear to be, then why the fuck do they keep casting ugly chink women in these roles? It isn't like there's a shortage of hot asian women in the US; and *actual* chinks are *significantly* more likely to call an ugly chink an ugly chink than the western world is.

Side note: Awkwafina is a fucking retarded name. I get that it's her stage name, but misspelling a shitty overpriced brand of bottled water isn't cool, it's stupid.

 

[Scarlett Johansson]

Spoiler

so one of the aftercredits scenes is wong, Katy and shang chi talking to Carol and Bruce via hologram

 

[SteelPlatedHeart]

@That Chris Guy

Or maybe this is Star Wars Syndrome at work, where people spend an inordinate amount of time pondering every minor detail placed before them and wanting it to have deeper meaning. Things like, "what was that slug creature that attacked Luke in the trash compactor?". Only for Disney to finally give you an answer, and as it turns out, "it's a non-binary alien priestess who was actually embracing Luke as is part of their culture in an act of defiance against the Galactic Empire" is neither the answer you wanted nor needed.

I'd suggest looking into Marvel Comics to get your answer, but they've been a collective trainwreck for a while now.

I mean probably. I did say I was going super reaching devil’s advocate.