Marvel Cinematic Universe

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It goes both ways.

Franchises that go full sex drugs and rock and roll will have the same issues.

You can't hide bad content with culture war shit.

By your logic, Uwe Boll should be the richest filmmaker in history.
Evidence that making the content more toned down helps this?
And what has Uwe Boll got to do with this? Because it's got violence and sex that makes it automatically better? No.

Just means if you try to be PC it won't last much longer. And by grittiness I mean look at the Sam Raimi movies compared to Homecoming/Far From Home.
 
I also think that "wokeness" in media is just a phase, too. It's clear that "wokeness" and "diversity" are being used to pander to the Milennial generation ... And they are also being used as a shield for corporations when the product is shitty.

Look at how quickly Disney dropped it's "wokeness" when it decided to appeal to the Chinese market for the Mulan remake. Right after they patted themselves on the back for casting a black person as Ariel, they went right along and dropped that tone for Mulan because the Chinese market HATES woke shit. The entire character of Shang has been dropped from the film because of the potential bisexual undertones that the original Mulan had.

If Disney were TRULY "woke," they would reconfigure Epcot altogether, too. That park is a land that is ENTIRELY FULL of "cultural appropriation." But they don't dare touch it because it makes them a shitton of money.

These corporations don't mean shit when they try to be woke. They're after the money. Always.
I've also noticed that too with Marvel Comics the comics they are making to appeal to the Chinese like Aero are suspiciously missing the woke shit they're pandering in their main books.
 
I've also noticed that too with Marvel Comics the comics they are making to appeal to the Chinese like Aero are suspiciously missing the woke shit they're pandering in their main books.

Is that a joke? Marvel's Asian line is basically the Burger King Kid's Club of Asia. Aero (Chinese) is teamed up with a Filipino, and Marvel's Asian Avengers has a Mongolian, a Korean and a Jap on it. Its obviously pandering to a Chinese market, but also fundamentally misunderstanding how nationalistic and xenophobic the Chinese (and other Asians) actually are. These books are going to go down about as well as Rose Tico, because Marvel made the mistake of hiring a bunch of woke Americans from California to write them instead of people who are actually familiar with the Chinese market.
 
I've enjoyed the MCU Spidey movies a lot ... But they don't hold a candle to the (first two) Raimi movies.

I don't think we'll ever get superhero movies like the Raimi Spider-Man ever again. Don't get me wrong; I've loved most of the MCU up until this point, and they managed to stick the landing with Endgame (which is the thing I cared about most). However, in terms of film making ... The MCU movies contain no director's vision; no "style," if you will.

Raimi's Spider-Man 1 & 2 were not only great Spider-Man movies ... But they're great Sam Raimi movies. His personality is all over those movies. For example:

This is still one of the best goddamn things I've ever seen in a superhero movie. Fight me.
 
Henry Golding might be playing Namor. If he gets to wear the speedo I would be hft.

Also they aren't doing anything about Ant Man yet. Michelle Pfeiffer deserves better.

 
I've enjoyed the MCU Spidey movies a lot ... But they don't hold a candle to the (first two) Raimi movies.

Since they're starting to explore the multi-verse in Spider-Man: FFH, I am seriously hoping that we see Tobey Maguire in the MCU at one point, and that he winds up being the version of Spider-Man that accidentally killed Mary Jane by pumping her full of his radioactive jizz.
 
I haven't seen it yet, but in the trailers Nick Fury is talking about the multiverse. Is that not correct? I thought Mysterio came from an alternate reality.

It's

a lie, Mysterio is a former Stark employee using the BARF projection from Civil War to use fake the monsters, and Nick Fury doesn't know otherwise because it's actually the skrull Talos from Captain Marvel pretending to be Fury, implied in the post-credits scene to be there attempting to do an offworld Fury a favor that got way out of hand and he wasn't equipped to handle.
 
Yeah there's a reason the "edgy" 90s are derided.

Yet it was 90's comics that got most people into comics in the first place. A lot of that was derided- but the Infinity Wars, and quite a chunk of the more popular things incorporated into the cinematic universe were plucked right out of the Iron Age of comics. Sure, there was a lot of absurd shit in the 90's... and looking back at it, it's easy for us to roll our eyes. But I think back then, they found that EXTREEEEEEEEME sold fairly well and they were desperately trying to find something that would stick during the crash.

And the crash is what gets a lot of extra hate thrown on 90's comics- which, it had nothing to do with the theme and more to do with Marvel buying into speculator bullshit and fans not being as stupid as they thought.

And let's not sit here and pretentiously act like the Silver Age gave us anything other than some names and costumes, especially after Wertham convinced comic companies to neuter themselves.

I also think that "wokeness" in media is just a phase, too. It's clear that "wokeness" and "diversity" are being used to pander to the Milennial generation ... And they are also being used as a shield for corporations when the product is shitty.
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These corporations don't mean shit when they try to be woke. They're after the money. Always.

You're correct. And I'll put it this way, I know someone who works in the industry- he's not a big name, he's not that important, but he's been around since I was a kid in high school. So, my disclaimer is that you can feel free to write this off as "some bullshit I made up on the internet" if you like.

Basically, the comics industry- just like many other entertainment industries- when they make products, they're reaching out to social media to do research. They watch Youtube, sure... but Facebook and Twitter provide an easier market research landscape. So when one of the Avengers cast members tweets something that gets a zillion thumbsy-uppies, or it causes a stir and gets a shitload of responses... the people in the comics industry zero in on it and pay attention. Things that get responses from people seem like money-makers.

Now, I could write a whole fucking page on why using Twitter as a baseline demographic is like using /pol/ as a resource on a Holocaust research paper, but let's just say that it's a bad idea. It's not like conservatives or even regular normal people generate a buzz on Twitter, if they're not getting banned for silliness.

When some boomer up at the top of some entertainment company just wants to know what's "trending"- he's got about five minutes for someone to present a general trend analysis to him, and he's going to make a decision on where the creativity needs to go.

You also have to understand that this is the era of "dragging". It doesn't take much for someone to decide that a brand or company is somehow racist/sexist/homophobic and start a massive controversy. In the era of fake news where every self-absorbed Twitter blue-check is desperate for validation- they'll put their own hot take on a bullshit opinion, some actor/actress desperately trying to stay relevant will add their own spin and retweet...and it'll become a goddamned wildfire.

Suddenly your company is being boycotted, people are refusing to carry your products, and you're having to make an apology for bigotry and hire a bunch of useless and untalented niggers and women to prove you're not a bigot. And then you lose more money.

So in a nutshell: "Woke" is an entertainment company looking at trends in a bad demographic sample, and then trying to figure out whether or not their next decision is going to get them smeared online and cost them more money in the future. In the end, it just seems safer to appease the rabid woke outrage mob until the rest of civilization figures out how to tard-wrangle them into compliance.
 
You also have to understand that this is the era of "dragging". It doesn't take much for someone to decide that a brand or company is somehow racist/sexist/homophobic and start a massive controversy. In the era of fake news where every self-absorbed Twitter blue-check is desperate for validation- they'll put their own hot take on a bullshit opinion, some actor/actress desperately trying to stay relevant will add their own spin and retweet...and it'll become a goddamned wildfire.

Suddenly your company is being boycotted, people are refusing to carry your products, and you're having to make an apology for bigotry and hire a bunch of useless and untalented niggers and women to prove you're not a bigot. And then you lose more money.

So in a nutshell: "Woke" is an entertainment company looking at trends in a bad demographic sample, and then trying to figure out whether or not their next decision is going to get them smeared online and cost them more money in the future. In the end, it just seems safer to appease the rabid woke outrage mob until the rest of civilization figures out how to tard-wrangle them into compliance.


I agree with what you are saying except for the fact these boycotts by leftists usually don't work (unless the product is already shit and unappealing on it's own).
 
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