Marvel Cinematic Universe

[gobbogobb]

I don't think he ever said 2016 Ghostbusters wasn't a failure.

The point is someone in a high enough position thinks the franchise still has legs.

 

[CamelCursive]

I don't think he ever said 2016 Ghostbusters wasn't a failure.

His point seems to be "if it's still out there, and it makes any money whatsoever, 'get woke go broke' is not a thing". Because apparently it has to be a literal thing to have any merit.

The point is someone in a high enough position thinks the franchise still has legs.

"Someone in a high enough position" has been wrong before, time and time again. Remember- "Someone in a high enough position" thought the Mario Brothers movie had a solid script and thought it'd be a hit.

Didn't they already do that with the Netflix show? I didn't watch it.

I didn't watch the second, so I don't know.

But also, you know in Black Panther, how they could fight over who would be king or whatever?

If the gorilla tribe would have won a duel, we could have a new superhero from Wakanda: Gorilla Groid.

 

[gobbogobb]

Because if you make movies that are net profitable you're not going broke? How is this even a thing to debate?

 

[Basil II]

Because if you make movies that are net profitable you're not going broke? How is this even a thing to debate?

let him cope

 

[KillThemCrackasBabies]

If "Get woke go broke!" was such a solid rule there wouldn't need to be 90 excuses explaining why something "woke" ended up succeeding. The last Mortal Kombat was widely touted as a woke and therefore broke game, until the actual sales figures came out and people realized it did incredibly well. So what happened? Did it just end up not being "woke" then?

 

[gobbogobb]

If "Get woke go broke!" was such a solid rule there wouldn't need to be 90 excuses explaining why something "woke" ended up succeeding. The last Mortal Kombat was widely touted as a woke and therefore broke game, until the actual sales figures came out and people realized it did incredibly well. So what happened? Did it just end up not being "woke" then?

Just like every year will be the year call of duty finally dies.

I really don't get cancel culture at all. It's perfectly okay not to like something, but it's perfectly okay for other people to like it as well.

Insert npc meme bullshit here

 

[ShittyRecolor]

P.H. Bennet on Twitter

“BLADE UPDATE: Producers are proposing turning Blade into the first Muslim superhero. The conversations are being held due to Kevin Feige’s huge push for MCU diversity plan. More to come. #Blade #mcuphase4 #MarvelStudios”

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Lol. Sorry. Jesus. Holy shit.

Wow, a muslim vampire? Make Blade a lesbian as well and Dobbo's tiny bike pump will explode!

 

[Basil II]

Just like every year will be the year call of duty finally dies.

I really don't get cancel culture at all. It's perfectly okay not to like something, but it's perfectly okay for other people to like it as well.

Insert npc meme bullshit here

Is Call of Duty not dead tbh? The last one people seemed to actually care about was like Blops 2 or Ghosts, and it's peak years of MW2 and Blops 1 are long behind it. Fortnite is the nu autistic shooter.

 

[gobbogobb]

Is Call of Duty not dead tbh? The last one people seemed to actually care about was like Blops 2 or Ghosts, and it's peak years of MW2 and Blops 1 are long behind it. Fortnite is the nu autistic shooter.

It's still making enough money for them to release the game pretty much every year.

is it still the billion dollar franchise that it used to be? I don't know probably not. As long as it keeps activation executives in Lamborghinis and Russian hookers they don't care.

 

[CheezzyMach]

The thing is the MCU is going woke because that's what's marketers say Millennials like.

In a decade when Zoomers become the target demo the movies will change to suit their tastes.

That's my take anyway.

 

[Basil II]

The thing is the MCU is going woke because that's what's marketers say Millennials like.

In a decade when Zoomers become the target demo the movies will change to suit their tastes.

That's my take anyway.

Basically, Corporations (for the most part) don't give a shit about any sort of ideology (Unless that ideology specifically benefits them) and will shill what they think the demographic wants. The exception to this is companies where Millennial tards have substantial influence like the Silicon Valley Orwellian shitholes. Disney (or really, Marvel. Disney is pretty hands off with their vassals) doesn't give a shit about how woke they are as long as they make money.

 

[Done]

By your logic, "Get Woke Go Broke" isn't real unless it renders a company financially destitute, with a zero or negative balance.

Your mother was in her early 60's when she got pregnant with you, wasn't she?

So broke means making $1b instead of $1.2b?

I don't like Star Wars period, and I didn't like Captain Marvel when I went to see it (Sam Jackson totally saved that movie from being a boring 2-hour long blur), but I don't pretend those movies didn't rake in "fuck you" money just to placate my ego. Facts didn't care about my feelings and I'm fine with that.

If you have to reboot something again in less than 5 years, that usually means the first one was a fucking failure. Otherwise what you'd get would be called a sequel.

But it didn't die. Ghostbusters is a franchise that literally has only one great movie and a comparatively miniscule fanbase compared to the Star Wars or Marvel fanbases, and even then it was seen as viable enough to reboot following what by all means should have been a franchise-ending bomb.

The way Sony is trying to promote the movie as some form of "apology" to the fans is equally as blatant of a marketing tactic as when they tried to promote the one before it as some paragon of feminism. Just because you're falling for it this time doesn't mean that it ain't so.

If "Get woke go broke!" was such a solid rule there wouldn't need to be 90 excuses explaining why something "woke" ended up succeeding. The last Mortal Kombat was widely touted as a woke and therefore broke game, until the actual sales figures came out and people realized it did incredibly well. So what happened? Did it just end up not being "woke" then?

It didn't just sell well, it was the best game launch in WB Games history and the bestselling game of the year so far. Meanwhile the crown jewel of Japanese fighting properties, Street Fighter is doing a week-long free trial many years after it launched, which is honestly a sign that they still need an audience after all this time.

This goes to tell you that you absolutely should bet against basement dweller lolcows like OneAngryGamer and KiA spergs. Strong marketing, gameplay, graphics and good design decisions are what sells games, not dumb shit like wokeness or anti-wokeness.

 

[KillThemCrackasBabies]

So broke means making $1b instead of $1.2b?

I don't like Star Wars period, and I didn't like Captain Marvel when I went to see it (Sam Jackson totally saved that movie from being a boring 2-hour long blur), but I don't pretend those movies didn't rake in "fuck you" money just to placate my ego. Facts didn't care about my feelings and I'm fine with that.

But it didn't die. Ghostbusters is a franchise that literally has only one great movie and a comparatively miniscule fanbase compared to the Star Wars or Marvel fanbases, and even then it was seen as viable enough to reboot following what by all means should have been a franchise-ending bomb.

The way Sony is trying to promote the movie as some form of "apology" to the fans is equally as blatant of a marketing tactic as when they tried to promote the one before it as some paragon of feminism. Just because you're falling for it this time doesn't mean that it ain't so.

It didn't just sell well, it was the best game launch in WB Games history and the bestselling game of the year so far. Meanwhile the crown jewel of Japanese fighting properties, Street Fighter is doing a week-long free trial many years after it launched, which is honestly a sign that they still need an audience after all this time.

This goes to tell you that you absolutely should bet against basement dweller lolcows like OneAngryGamer and KiA spergs. Strong marketing, gameplay, graphics and good design decisions are what sells games, not dumb shit like wokeness or anti-wokeness.

Like I can agree that sometimes studios try to use it as a marketing gimmick and flop anyway (Ghostbusters 2016, the last couple of Cliff Blazinski games), but I don't think I've ever seen anything tank specifically because of "wokeness".

Shit like comics is a little different because they tend to attempt to use it in lieu of writing (America Chavez, Hellcat), but to sit there and try and argue that the majority of the paying population is actively on the lookout for "wokeness" and will boycott it out of principal is retardery of the highest order.

 

[CheezzyMach]

So broke means making $1b instead of $1.2b?

I don't like Star Wars period, and I didn't like Captain Marvel when I went to see it (Sam Jackson totally saved that movie from being a boring 2-hour long blur), but I don't pretend those movies didn't rake in "fuck you" money just to placate my ego. Facts didn't care about my feelings and I'm fine with that.

But it didn't die. Ghostbusters is a franchise that literally has only one great movie and a comparatively miniscule fanbase compared to the Star Wars or Marvel fanbases, and even then it was seen as viable enough to reboot following what by all means should have been a franchise-ending bomb.

The way Sony is trying to promote the movie as some form of "apology" to the fans is equally as blatant of a marketing tactic as when they tried to promote the one before it as some paragon of feminism. Just because you're falling for it this time doesn't mean that it ain't so.

It didn't just sell well, it was the best game launch in WB Games history and the bestselling game of the year so far. Meanwhile the crown jewel of Japanese fighting properties, Street Fighter is doing a week-long free trial many years after it launched, which is honestly a sign that they still need an audience after all this time.

This goes to tell you that you absolutely should bet against basement dweller lolcows like OneAngryGamer and KiA spergs. Strong marketing, gameplay, graphics and good design decisions are what sells games, not dumb shit like wokeness or anti-wokeness.

It isn't wokeness that kills shit it's the creators acting like doucebags and insulting their customers and using wokeness as a shield for a shitty product.

 

[CamelCursive]

For clarification, I've never seen anything go tits-up because of "woke". Nothing has been financially ruined beyond recovery, at least.

But the semantics we're arguing are basically: "AIDs never killed anyone, it's not a deadly disease. It's that pneumonia that's the real threat!" or "No one died from a fall, they just hit the ground really hard!"

"Woke" hasn't destroyed anything, but it's severely crippled a lot of things. And all of those things are kept alive by long-time loyal fans, holding out for this trend to pass (and it will).

Think about this: Nothing "woke" has ever risen and stood on his own. "Woke" only happens to things that are already quite successful, it seems. It never, ever improves them.

Also I generally think that there are quite a few people who scream "SJW!" at literally everything, but I also think that "Going woke" is usually either a publicity stunt (rage bait makes money) or something inserted when a product is destined to perform poorly, so it can be marketed as activism or people can be guilted into buying.

 

[KillThemCrackasBabies]

For clarification, I've never seen anything go tits-up because of "woke". Nothing has been financially ruined beyond recovery, at least.

But the semantics we're arguing are basically: "AIDs never killed anyone, it's not a deadly disease. It's that pneumonia that's the real threat!" or "No one died from a fall, they just hit the ground really hard!"

"Woke" hasn't destroyed anything, but it's severely crippled a lot of things. And all of those things are kept alive by long-time loyal fans, holding out for this trend to pass (and it will).

Think about this: Nothing "woke" has ever risen and stood on his own. "Woke" only happens to things that are already quite successful, it seems. It never, ever improves them.

Also I generally think that there are quite a few people who scream "SJW!" at literally everything, but I also think that "Going woke" is usually either a publicity stunt (rage bait makes money) or something inserted when a product is destined to perform poorly, so it can be marketed as activism or people can be guilted into buying.

Agreed it's semantics, but most of the people shrieking about are quite nitpicky about it. The aforementioned Mortal Kombat literally had one scene out of what, like 25 endings? Where a black guy undoes slavery. he doesn't even in turn redo history to enslave whites as revenge, he just makes it where slavery didn't happen and Europeans saw them as equals. That got these faggots screaming for months on end.

We're all aware of The Dangerhairs and their weird personal projects they try to shoehorn as daring and brave cultural milestones, but that's a small minority of things most people scream about when they cry about "wokeness" in their movies and vidya. Like FemThor; the source material was infamously shitty, nobody's arguing that. But the director has a proven track record, and there's been 0 indication they intend to complete castrate Thor and hand over the reigns of the REAL God of Thunder to Foster, they're just popping in new IP to get more mileage out of their movies. There should be no reason to actually get pissy about that. Feeling like it'll probably be shitty? Fair enough. But as evidence of a grander conspiracy? No.

 

[That Chris Guy]

Is Call of Duty not dead tbh? The last one people seemed to actually care about was like Blops 2 or Ghosts, and it's peak years of MW2 and Blops 1 are long behind it. Fortnite is the nu autistic shooter.

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It's not dead, but has had its day and is slowly falling out of the limelight that it once dominated. The series has been slowly decaying for years, but Fortnite's the game that so blatantly drove a "Fuck you" nail into its coffin. That game took away all the kiddie players and has presented a different formula of gameplay (originally from PUBG) that everyone is trying to copy to stay cool - something that was responsible for CoD's rise to success.

 

[CheezzyMach]

Agreed it's semantics, but most of the people shrieking about are quite nitpicky about it. The aforementioned Mortal Kombat literally had one scene out of what, like 25 endings? Where a black guy undoes slavery. he doesn't even in turn redo history to enslave whites as revenge, he just makes it where slavery didn't happen and Europeans saw them as equals. That got these faggots screaming for months on end.

We're all aware of The Dangerhairs and their weird personal projects they try to shoehorn as daring and brave cultural milestones, but that's a small minority of things most people scream about when they cry about "wokeness" in their movies and vidya. Like FemThor; the source material was infamously shitty, nobody's arguing that. But the director has a proven track record, and there's been 0 indication they intend to complete castrate Thor and hand over the reigns of the REAL God of Thunder to Foster, they're just popping in new IP to get more mileage out of their movies. There should be no reason to actually get pissy about that. Feeling like it'll probably be shitty? Fair enough. But as evidence of a grander conspiracy? No.

TBF it wasn't just the Jax ending but also the female character designs and the devs virtue signaling about how progressive they were in not sexualizing women in a franchise where you can gruesomely murder them that rubbed fellas raw.

Personally I don't give a shit if they want to make a woman thunder god just don't call her Thor because that's his name and not a title.

 

[MI 814]

It isn't wokeness that kills shit it's the creators acting like doucebags and insulting their customers and using wokeness as a shield for a shitty product.

Wokeness means they get rid of the fun stuff like violence and sexual content and any sense of grittiness or coolness. So yes Wokeness does lead to a shitty product.

It explains why the MCU has gotten more toothless and generic in recent years, and no having half of the characters TEMPORARILY KILLED OFF doesn't count.
Like, do you seriously think having the content be more boring and safe is a good idea in the long run? Especially for ideology sake?
Also Rouge will be black. Is this a bad thing? Yes. Will the people on here defend it? Yes. Should they defend it? No.

 

[KillThemCrackasBabies]

Especially for ideology sake?

Yeah but see you keep saying this shit, and when people respond to it in any way you just sperg. Like just throw away the (((critic response))) for a second, the Black Panther comic is literally about an African King superhero in a magical African country. What would have been the way to put him in without "ideology"? Just don't do it at all?

Dave Cullen just put out a 15 minute temper tantrum about "woke franchises" where he bitches about Scarlet Witch being in the Doctor Strange sequel. By all accounts, nobody had a problem with Scarlet Witch before. Nobody really even cared about her doing what everyone was so terrified about Danvers doing and nearly killed Thanos single handedly, with some even arguing they thought she deserved being portrayed as a stronger character both because of the history of the character in the comic, and the arc in the films.

Nobody had a problem with Scarlet Witch until now, but now all of a sudden faggot is citing it as sign of a "woke franchise". To be fair to him, he does give the standard "Well, it could also not be shit too, I guess...", but that's not the point. He introduced a problem and a controversy where there not only wasn't one before, but that character had generally been cited as the proper way to handle Muh Stronk Female. So what happened?

Retards wanted to invent a problem to be mad at, that's what.