Marvel Cinematic Universe

[Done]

It explains why the MCU has gotten more toothless and generic in recent years, and no having half of the characters TEMPORARILY KILLED OFF doesn't count.

As opposed to how toothful Iron Man was?

The MCU was always a PG13 affair dude.

 

[Slimy Time]

Oh, wait until they finally decide that the Punisher needs to go woke.

Shooting up GOP rallies and then going home to his friend "Microagression", who is wearing Frank's wife's bridal dress and the two have gay sex. Then they go on about how Barracuda isn't evil, he was just the product of a racist society.

I thought they kinda tried to do that with season 2. They had their Mennonite expy, some former alt right/neo Nazi come devout Christian hitman hunting down a teenager because she has film of an devout Christian politician's son doing the big gay. Now it's up to the big bad Punisher to save her and hunt down the evil alt right Christian politician. BTW, ""Jigsaw"" is there.

 

[gobbogobb]

Black Panther was racist against blacls because it reinforces the Magical Negro trope. Leave it to the magic black people to solve your problems.

Very unwoke.

Captain Marvel is unwoke because Danvers doesn't respect men or other women. She should have more empathy for her fellow humanoid.

Very unwoke

You can make up all sorts of shit when you want to like/dislike a film based on political bullshit. The above examples are just that.

 

[Stab You in the Back]

Get Woke, Go Broke is based on some pretty sound business concepts, but its often misused and misinterpreted by people on both sides who think the success or failure of a particular product absolutely proves it to be true/false. Its like those idiots who claim every hurricane is proof that global warming is real. When a company/brand has enough inertia, it might takes years for Get Woke, Go Broke to become noticable, if it ever becomes noticable (because, let's be honest here, the opportunity cost of getting woke isn't something we're really able to calculate).

Also Rouge will be black.

Fuck you for even suggesting this.

 

[CamelCursive]

Black Panther was racist against blacls because it reinforces the Magical Negro trope. Leave it to the magic black people to solve your problems.

All I took from that movie was this:

Give niggers the key to becoming the most advanced people on the planet, and they'll use it to make shiny vehicles and outfits, they'll still chimp out and fight over which nigger is in charge, they will never use any of it to become anything that matters to the rest of the civilized world- all while let an entire continent of niggers starve, murder each other, and die in disease and squalor- and they still blame honkies for all of their problems.

 

[gobbogobb]

Because the magical black man wasn't king yet. The fact audiences sympathized with killmonger is irrelevant.

Did you watch the movie? BP opened Wakanda and it's Star trek toys up to the world, saving all the white and brownish people.

Black panther was jar jar Binks and wakandans are gungans.

 

[CamelCursive]

Feeling like it'll probably be shitty? Fair enough. But as evidence of a grander conspiracy? No.

It's not complicated enough to be a conspiracy at all, my dude.

When they announce shit like this, most of the fans take a deep breath and say, "Okay, we don't know enough to jump to any conclusions, maybe they can make it work".

But long before that, coordinated entertainment media starts in on how a bunch of bigots are doing bigot things to sabotage the movie, and that you should give this movie your money because it's activism and makes you a good person.

This isn't a conspiracy, the parent companies of the entertainment usually own the media as well, and the whole "activism marketing" thing is fairly dependable because people are lazy and don't want to actually be activists, so they'll take anything that almost seems like activism so they can feel good about themselves.

To call it a "conspiracy" gives it too much credit. It's a simple marketing trick that idiots keep falling for, and other idiots keep failing to see.

The best way to beat "woke" bullshit is: do not give them your money. If you pay for a ticket to go and see the movie and then you decide you hate it, and talk shit about how fucking awful it is and how the studio is woke and feminist and SJW and Communist or whatever, you still gave them your fucking money and they win. So do not go and see any movies by these studios or within these franchises if they do things you dislike.

Personally, I refuse to give any of my money to anything related to comics. Movies, merch, comics, none of it. I won't even go to local conventions, and if I go to a nerd store and they hand me a free comic book, I decline it or throw it in the trash when I get home (my bird died, so I can't even use it to line his cage).

Did you watch the movie? BP opened Wakanda and it's Star trek toys up to the world, saving all the white and brownish people.

Yeah, I noticed it only took an impending apocalypse, death, and what appeared to be potential exposure to the world to get them to do this. I can suspend disbelief to some degree, but you'd think all those angry niggers around Wakanda would be rushing the place to loot, rape, and burn.

 

[gobbogobb]

Not completely accurate, but close enough. I'd argue that real world societal change also requires some kind of major upheaval to stick.

However, you're absolutely right in that the only way anything changes is if it stops making money. A hatewatch is still a watch.

There aren't enough redpilled poltards on earth to move the needle, and the average moviegoer just doesn't care one way or the other as long as they had an enjoyable experience.

Movie franchises are like casinos. Sure the whales who spend tons of money get lots of attention, but it's the housewives and salesmen who keep the lights on. Until they keep their money in their pockets nothing is going to change.

 

[CamelCursive]

Movie franchises are like casinos. Sure the whales who spend tons of money get lots of attention, but it's the housewives and salesmen who keep the lights on. Until they keep their money in their pockets nothing is going to change.

It doesn't even require people to be redpilled.

If you think average normies aren't sick and disgusted by all of this, you need to hide your power level and spend some time with them and talk about movies. Most of them are just sick of everything trying to be politicized and some kind of ideological message- because they're really sick of ORANGE MAN BAD being the only thought behind too much entertainment for the last few years.

 

[gobbogobb]

Yet they still buy tickets.

Stick with the casino analogy: the people playing penny slots know that they're getting ripped off.
They still put their pennies in because in the end it's still enjoyable. Note I'm not considering degenerate gamblers. They fall into either the whale demographic or they're too poor to really matter.

 

[Jetpack Himmler]

Yeah but see you keep saying this shit, and when people respond to it in any way you just sperg. Like just throw away the (((critic response))) for a second, the Black Panther comic is literally about an African King superhero in a magical African country. What would have been the way to put him in without "ideology"? Just don't do it at all?

Dave Cullen just put out a 15 minute temper tantrum about "woke franchises" where he bitches about Scarlet Witch being in the Doctor Strange sequel. By all accounts, nobody had a problem with Scarlet Witch before. Nobody really even cared about her doing what everyone was so terrified about Danvers doing and nearly killed Thanos single handedly, with some even arguing they thought she deserved being portrayed as a stronger character both because of the history of the character in the comic, and the arc in the films.

Nobody had a problem with Scarlet Witch until now, but now all of a sudden faggot is citing it as sign of a "woke franchise". To be fair to him, he does give the standard "Well, it could also not be shit too, I guess...", but that's not the point. He introduced a problem and a controversy where there not only wasn't one before, but that character had generally been cited as the proper way to handle Muh Stronk Female. So what happened?

exceptional individuals wanted to invent a problem to be mad at, that's what.

Yeah, that was a weird reason to go after the MCU's supposed "wokeness." I mean, character crossovers are likely going to be the standard operating procedure for the MCU going forward an giving the Scarlet Witch a co-starring role in the next Doctor Strange movie makes sense given her own powerset. I will say this about SW giving Thanos a beatdown: at least she had a legitimate beef with ol' scrotum-chin whereas Captain Marvel's role in Endgame and the MCU as a whole has been inconsequential at best.

 

[MI 814]

Yet they still buy tickets.

Stick with the casino analogy: the people playing penny slots know that they're getting ripped off.
They still put their pennies in because in the end it's still enjoyable. Note I'm not considering degenerate gamblers. They fall into either the whale demographic or they're too poor to really matter.

As a counter argument I have observed that franchises that go down this direction lose their "hype" and people start to slowly loose interest.
Seriously I have seen this quite often. Happened with Doctor Who before the female Doctor was a thing.

 

[gobbogobb]

Absolutely true. Sequel/spinoff fatigue is a very real thing in any franchise. Dr. Who is a great example.

NuWars has this problem (along with other issues).

The Arrowverse has this problem in the TV realm.

Disney+ is gonna take a huge blow because of it.

There are only so many people with so many hours of free time to consume media.

 

[MI 814]

Absolutely true. Sequel/spinoff fatigue is a very real thing in any franchise. Dr. Who is a great example.

NuWars has this problem (along with other issues).

The Arrowverse has this problem in the TV realm.

Disney+ is gonna take a huge blow because of it.

There are only so many people with so many hours of free time to consume media.

The issue is because of the wokeness, which results in usually less violence, less sexuality (which a lot of people like even on a subliminal level) and less excitement and fun, causes people to just sorta grow less interested in the IP and they will probably move onto something else.

This happened with The Real Ghostbusters back in the 80s when they toned down the content due to a weird group that thought kids wanted the show to be toned down.

 

[gobbogobb]

It goes both ways.

Franchises that go full sex drugs and rock and roll will have the same issues.

You can't hide bad content with culture war shit.

By your logic, Uwe Boll should be the richest filmmaker in history.

 

[That Chris Guy]

Yet they still buy tickets.

Sadly, pretty much this:

 

[CheezzyMach]

It goes both ways.

Franchises that go full sex drugs and rock and roll will have the same issues.

You can't hide bad content with culture war shit.

By your logic, Uwe Boll should be the richest filmmaker in history.

Yeah there's a reason the "edgy" 90s are derided.

I mean maybe I'm an autist but I think wokeness is just a shitty fad/trend that will pass on it's own in the next decade.

 

[Maamtis]

Absolutely true. Sequel/spinoff fatigue is a very real thing in any franchise. Dr. Who is a great example.

NuWars has this problem (along with other issues).

The Arrowverse has this problem in the TV realm.

Disney+ is gonna take a huge blow because of it.

There are only so many people with so many hours of free time to consume media.

It's actually nice of Disney to make their post Infinity Saga movies crap. Means more time for other things. Thanks Disney!

 

[StarkRavingMad]

Yeah there's a reason the "edgy" 90s are derided.

I mean maybe I'm an autist but I think wokeness is just a shitty fad/trend that will pass on it's own in the next decade.

I also think that "wokeness" in media is just a phase, too. It's clear that "wokeness" and "diversity" are being used to pander to the Milennial generation ... And they are also being used as a shield for corporations when the product is shitty.

Look at how quickly Disney dropped it's "wokeness" when it decided to appeal to the Chinese market for the Mulan remake. Right after they patted themselves on the back for casting a black person as Ariel, they went right along and dropped that tone for Mulan because the Chinese market HATES woke shit. The entire character of Shang has been dropped from the film because of the potential bisexual undertones that the original Mulan had.

If Disney were TRULY "woke," they would reconfigure Epcot altogether, too. That park is a land that is ENTIRELY FULL of "cultural appropriation." But they don't dare touch it because it makes them a shitton of money.

These corporations don't mean shit when they try to be woke. They're after the money. Always.

 

[Hatoful Dandy]

Wow, a muslim vampire? Make Blade a lesbian as well and Dobbo's tiny bike pump will explode!

If anything, Werewolf By Night should be a muslim.

...because they operate on a lunar calender, after all.