Leaving Neverland - heehee

[Truthspeaker]

You didn't really prove anything in your posts. All you do is give conspiracy theories on why MJ is supposedly a gay pedophile. When people actually provided sources about Wade lying about what happened him, you called them a shill. It's incredibly difficult to take what you say seriously.

Being a gay pedophile's not what I occused him of; being a gay pedophile is what Jordie Chandler, Jason Francia, Gavin Arvizo, Wade Robson, Jimmy Safechuck, and Terry George occused him of. They have names, you cunt.

Five of them were raped by a creepy old man, all of them were on public record as being treated like said creepy old man's girlfriends exactly for as long as they were young enough for the pathetic queen to be able to fuck without his faggity ass feeling guilty about being a damned homo, like his cunt father and cunt mother never lost their hold of him after all their lovelessness and abuse.

Those accusations exist. They are not a product of Kiwi Farms, nor the Internet. They are not hearsay, they are not gossip, they are on record, and there are dozens of other relationships that look exactly like it which never deserved the benefit of their doubt.

I'll spoiler the gossip:

Spoiler

The gossip's far worse: Aaron Carter was already under Lou Pearlman's fatness before he spent '01 thru '04 in Jacko's Special-friendship Club, what the Hell are people supposed to think about the chances NAMBLA's Sexiest Boy Alive Himself stood against the two most notorious [alleged] sexual predators of the '90s music scene being central to his life over that length of time.

Sean Lennon's father was murdered by a nutcase, and his mother's the least-pleasant bitch in all of Rock. Then, like magic, the biggest music star on Earth -- Just like Daddy! -- not only comes into his life, but wants to be his best friend! Not just any best friend, but the best friend who wants to take you to the most beautiful places on Earth so you can play videogames and experiment with alcohol! The best part? HE HAS MAGAZINES WITH NAKED GIRLS! That'd be more than enough to make him love Jacko more than he ever loved anyone in his life.

Donny June and Eric grew up in a loveless home with parents who hated each other nearly as much as they hated spending time with kids, but not quite as much as they hated things that interested kids. But even their life had its perks: they lived in the coolest tower on Earth, and the Koolest Celebrity Alive's their neighbor! He's really nice, and not into boring stuff at all. Best part? He likes VIDEOGAMES! Dad no showed when we asked to play together on Christmas, and Mom no-showed on a different Christmas, but not Michael Jackson! He's a better friend than Santa Claus, and he's real!

Macaulay Culkin and Manny Lewis eon't even discuss him in interviews. Sure, they testified in his defense, but why aren't they doing it again now that their special friend's being accused of rape by two of his old defenders.

It's the worst bit of the whole thing: He was their friend, and they loved him; but he was their rapist, and he ruined 'em.

But I'm not the main guy doing the accusing. I'm barely even a minor guy doing the occusing. Six of Jackson's own close friends are doing the occusing.

More than the number of women who occused Chris Brown of rape. More than the number of boys who've occused Lou Pearlman of molestation. More than the number of women who've occused Bill Clinton of sexual harrassment, assault, or rape.

Not Jackies. Not nobodies off the street. Not acquaintences. His intimate friends. Boys he slept in the same room with for years and spent as much of his free time as he could with.

Two of these boys perjured themselves for him, meaning they were already in contact with the Jacko Camp, meaning they easily could've contacted them again to make money rather than attempt to kill the profitability of the richest dead celebrity in the world. If the Jacko Camp so much as kept a record of this, they could've killed Leaving Neverland before it could breathe, but that hasn't happened; because this isn't about money, this is about a pederast.

You're still welcome to actually attack the mountains.

 

[glass_houses]

Here we go round the mulberry bush, the mulberry bush, the mulberry bush, here we go round the mulberry bush so early in the morning...

I'm out.

 

[tyjc]

Has anyone tried to refute this yet? I don't see how Wade or James can be seen as credible.

For five years, these men have been suing Michael Jackson’s estate for hundreds of millions of dollars. This lawsuit has generated thousands of pages of court records: witness statements, motions, depositions and disclosure. These public documents PROVE beyond any reasonable doubt that the men are lying. The whole media knows about these documents, but is refusing to report on their contents. I’ve tried not to fill my Facebook feed with posts about this, but you are all being lied to from every direction. So this is my contribution to the debate on Facebook – a list of just some of the public record information the media is refusing to tell you.

• Both men strenuously defended Jackson, including under oath, for decades, and only decided they’d been molested years after his death, when they were both in financial trouble and filed a lawsuit seeking hundreds of millions of dollars. That lawsuit was thrown out of court – twice – but the men are in the middle of an appeal, giving them a gigantic financial motive to lie.
• Since filing their lawsuit, both men have repeatedly changed their stories, frequently telling directly contradictory versions of the same supposed events. For example, Wade Robson has told at least four directly contradictory stories about the first time Jackson supposedly abused him.
• In the lawsuit, Robson was caught lying under oath so brazenly that the judge threw out his entire witness statement and said no rational juror could ever believe his account. SOURCE
• Between 2012 and 2014, Robson wrote two drafts of an abuse memoir and tried unsuccessfully to sell them to publishers. Meanwhile, he lied under oath and said he’d never discussed his allegations with anyone except his lawyers. When the Jackson estate discovered he’d actually been shopping books, the court ordered him to produce the drafts as evidence. They revealed the story of his abuse had changed significantly from one draft to the next. SOURCE
• Robson was also ordered to release his emails as evidence. He breached the order repeatedly, first by claiming they didn’t exist, then by simply refusing to hand them over. Then he redacted all the emails between himself and his family members and cited ‘attorney-client’ privilege, even though none of his family are attorneys.
• When he eventually complied with the court order and released the emails, they revealed that at the time he was constructing his lawsuit and abuse memoir, he was researching and emailing himself links to old tabloid newspaper stories about abuse allegations against Michael Jackson.
• The emails showed Robson found one particular story from the early 1990s which specifically named he and his mother. He emailed it to his mother and asked whether it was true. She replied, ‘Wow, none of that is true’. He then included it in his story anyway. SOURCE
• Emails also revealed that throughout 2011/12, Robson was lobbying Jackson’s estate for a job directing and choreographing an official Michael Jackson tribute show in Las Vegas. His campaign to secure this role had included sending emails explaining that his amazing friendship with Jackson meant nobody was better qualified for the role than he was, and he was devoted to doing the best job he possibly could ‘for Michael’. After being told someone else had got the job, he suddenly claimed he’d been abused and filed a creditor’s claim against the estate for millions of dollars. SOURCE
• Months later, according to Jimmy Safechuck, he flipped on the TV and saw Wade Robson being interviewed about his lawsuit. In that moment, Safechuck suddenly remembered that he had been abused by Jackson as well, so decided to join the lawsuit. He didn’t mention that this epiphany coincided exactly with his inheritance circling the drain after a relative died and the surviving siblings started suing each other – including him – for control of the family business.
• Robson was also ordered to produce his diaries as evidence. In them, he’d written about how these allegations might rescue his failing career by making him ‘relatable and relevant’. He also wrote, ‘It’s time for me to get mine.’ When questioned under oath about what he’d meant when he wrote that, he refused to answer. SOURCE [p. 250-252]
• Both men tell stories in the TV show which directly contradict stories told under oath in their lawsuit. In fact, they have continued to change their stories as recently as within the last week.
• For example, Jimmy Safechuck claims under oath in the lawsuit that he only remembered Jackson had abused him in 2013 when he turned on the TV and saw Robson. Yet in tonight’s TV show and interviews promoting it, he claims he knew he’d been abused in 2005 and thus, when asked to testify for Jackson’s defence ‘towards the end of the trial’, he refused to do so.
• But that’s a provable lie. Safechuck was never asked to testify for Jackson’s defence. The judge ruled long before the trial began that testimony could only be heard about certain children, and Safechuck was not one of them. All testimony about Safechuck was literally banned from the courtroom. So Jackson’s defence cannot have asked him to testify – and certainly not after the trial was already underway. SOURCE
• Robson claimed in a BBC interview last week that Jackson had abused him ‘hundreds of times’. Yet his mother’s sworn testimony is that they went to Neverland roughly 14 times but Jackson was almost never there. She estimates the number of times they visited the ranch and he was actually there was four. SOURCE
• [Robson’s claim that he was abused in the recording studio while Jackson was working on his Dangerous album is completely refuted by Brad Sundberg who was present in the studio every single time Jackson was and witnessed absolutely no suspicious behaviour ever.] SOURCE
• Questioned about their financial motive, the men now say they don’t care about money and are only suing to embolden other abuse victims by holding the Jackson estate accountable. This is a provable lie. The lawsuit was originally filed under seal and Robson tried to extract a settlement from the estate with zero publicity. Only when the estate refused to pay a bean did he go public. SOURCE

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[Saffronette]

How am I supposed to take what you say seriously when you go out of your way to insult people who don't agree with you.

Being a gay pedophile's not what I occused him of; being a gay pedophile is what Jordie Chandler, Jason Francia, Gavin Arvizo, Wade Robson, Jimmy Safechuck, and Terry George occused him of. They have names, you cunt.

If you actually read my earlier posts I talked about the accusations from over the years. If Wade said that nothing happened then and went to court defending his supposed abuser, maybe he shouldn't have been involved with the documentary. Him lying under oath is going to get him into trouble and it's already hurt his credibility.

Keep in mind, usually the parents of the kids did the accusing and the media ran with it. It was never about justice, it was about money. And what baffles me is that people don't think anyone would lie about horrifying abuse. The problem that I have with people like Wade and Safechuck is that they're trivializing abuse.

They had every opportunity to say this while MJ was alive, but now since we have slacktivism shit like #metoo so they can do this without opposition. We have to believe them now without questioning their motives. Dan Reed has actively been dodging the question whether if they're doing it for money or not.

 

[GS 281]

I was a kid when Jackson's popularity was at its highest in the 80's to mid-90s, so I probably have a different view on all this than most other people here, considering my age. Jackson was a fantastic musician, probably the best since Elvis and the Beatles.

I also remember the accusations when they came out and the reaction they were met with. People wanted to attack Jackson, wanted to attack the family of the first accusers, it was a mess.

We can never know what happened, whether he forced himself on those boys, whether it was just a complicated situation, or if everything was innocent, but reflecting on his music and what we do know of the life he lived up to that point, its clear that there was more going on and that there should be compassion for what he had to go through as a child before we go forward with judging him so harshly.

Jackson was a fabulous musician and his impact was significant and positive. Attacking people who have such an impact is what we do as humans. We want to tear people down. LOOK AT WHERE WE ARE. A site based on tearing people down.

I have to be honest and tell you, not as staff, but as a person, that the amount of hate and anger being piled on MJ's head here is kinda over the line. I make that distinction because I don't want to make people feel that I am trying to regulate their reactions here.

We don't know what happened. All and all, no one ever accused him of a violent rape, so if all that he did was get a little frisky, I can't hold it against him.

He was a good man.

 

[MirnaMinkoff]

We don't know what happened. All and all, no one ever accused him of a violent rape, so if all that he did was get a little frisky, I can't hold it against him.

A “little frisky” with ten year olds is still rape you know. Most pedophiles don’t violently rape their victims, they seduce them and become their friend, just like Jackson did. Jackson being abused as a kid doesn’t mean he’s allowed to rape little boys to make up for his lost childhood. His brothers are nasty but they aren’t raping kids, just beat up their adult wives and girlfriends.

Jackson’s dead and buried, so none of this matters to him. This is about corporation that controls his estate and music protecting a valuable asset by defending a man who molested lots of little boys because they stand to lose a lot of money.

For a forum that calls people pedos for liking questionable art it’s amazing to see a guy who admitted to sleeping with dozens of prepubescent boys for twenty years be defended as just misunderstood.

 

[GS 281]

A “little frisky” with ten year olds is still rape you know.

I wouldn't call it rape unless there was some penetration going on. A sizeable number of people get a funny touch from someone older or in a position of authority and it isn't right, but with most things in life, the way we react should be more sliding-scale.

If he was rubbing up on them or teaching them to jerk off then I don't think I can hold the same level of disdain for him that I would if I found out he had them tied to a sling with a ball-gag in their mouth.

I think you need to get some perspective here, you don't even know what happened, just that some people said something happened.

 

[Sinner's Sandwich]

Ah man who was constantly surrounded by little boys and slept with them in one bed is totally innocent.

Nothing to see here! Nope that's what mentally sane adults do!

Jackson is an innocent childlike angel. uwu

 

[BILLY MAYS]

sane people accept mj's story as just one of those things that happens with musicians. they have been making their own decisions since they were young and was more mature then than any of you will ever be.

 

[Truthspeaker]

I was a kid when Jackson's popularity was at its highest in the 80's to mid-90s, so I probably have a different view on all this than most other people here, considering my age. Jackson was a fantastic musician, probably the best since Elvis and the Beatles.

Who gives a shit?

Know who else is a fantastic musician? R. Kelly! Man brought himself out of worse poverty and circumstances than any of the Jacksons (although to my knowledge he wasn't raped nor pimped out by his family). Shouldn't he get a pass for al those statutory rapes and abuses?

Why aren't you cutting him slack, too?

I also remember the accusations when they came out and the reaction they were met with. People wanted to attack Jackson, wanted to attack the family of the first accusers, it was a mess.

As they usually like to do with someone who, in retrospect, was the most obvious homosexusl pedophile who ever lived.

We can never know what happened, whether he forced himself on those boys, whether it was just a complicated situation, or if everything was innocent, but reflecting on his music and what we do know of the life he lived up to that point, its clear that there was more going on and that there should be compassion for what he had to go through as a child before we go forward with judging him so harshly.

Nobody's accusing Jacko of forcing himself on anyone, so far. He spent months grooming his victims and bribing them with his almost unlimited resources. He brought himself half-a-billion dollars of debt so he could keep taking young boys to The Bahamas.

And most pedophiles have terrible upbringings. L. Ron Hubbard and Kevin Spacey were both raped as young boys themselves. Spacey was raped by his own father. I don't know if Jacko was as well, or merely pimped out; but it doesn't excuse raping dozens of boys over the course of his life, nor raping one.

[STRIKE]Jackson[/STRIKE] Benoit was a fabulous [STRIKE]musician[/STRIKE] wrestler and his impact was significant and positive. Attacking people who have such an impact is what we do as humans. We want to tear people down. LOOK AT WHERE WE ARE. A site based on tearing people down.

FIFY.

Except Benoit's colleagues actually liked him. Ask Pauls McCartney and Anka about just how little friendship with Jacko means.

I have to be honest and tell you, not as staff, but as a person, that the amount of hate and anger being piled on MJ's head here is kinda over the line. I make that distinction because I don't want to make people feel that I am trying to regulate their reactions here.

Was the anger Nickalaus Stouzenberger received also over the line?

He was only ever occused of having a suspicious relationship with one relative. That's chump change to Jacko's three!

Sure, he was convicted, but maybe he just had a crappy defense lawyer. Maybe what he needed was a man like Tom Mesereau or Alan Dershowitz in his corner.

We don't know what happened. All and all, no one ever accused him of a violent rape, so if all that he did was get a little frisky, I can't hold it against him.

In the doc alone, both former "special friends" occuse him of performing fellatio and anal penetration. One of his pedo books, legal to own, was a sex manual that explicitly detailed how to sodomize a young boy.

I take it that you're just fine with a grown man performing or receiving oral from a child of any age, though, as long as they seduce first.

But what if you're a pedo who doesn't have tens of millions of dollars to throw around? What if you just have candy for a five second kiss on the lips?

Is that also okay? Clearly it is in your book!

He was a good man.

Like that one innocent widower and Holocaust survivor.

Oh wait, he was convicted, but he was probably railroaded. It'd explain why he ran away.

I wouldn't call it rape unless there was some penetration going on. A sizeable number of people get a funny touch from someone older or in a position of authority and it isn't right, but with most things in life, the way we react should be more sliding-scale.

@yawning sneasel: Implicitly fine with giving or receiving oral from eight-year-olds!

If he was rubbing up on them or teaching them to jerk off then I don't think I can hold the same level of disdain for him that I would if I found out he had them tied to a sling with a ball-gag in their mouth.

@yawning sneasel: Explicitly fine with mutually-masturbating eight-year-olds!

I think you need to get some perspective here, you don't even know what happened, just that some people said something happened.

I know you're a troll, but you're still sticking up for a guy who admitted to sleeping alone with dozens of boys between eight and sixteen.

There should be a cartoon:

"Jokes on them! I was only pretending to defend kiddy-diddling!"

 

[Done]

I know you're a troll, but you're still sticking up for a guy who admitted to sleeping alone with dozens of boys between eight and sixteen.

How do you write a long-ass reply, get to the red part, and not just delete your draft, but your life entirely?

You have autism.

 

[LD 3187]

Not about Leaving Neverland specifically but when will Michael Jackson stop living rent free on your minds and leave?

 

[GS 281]

Know who else is a fantastic musician? R. Kelly! Man brought himself out of worse poverty and circumstances than any of the Jacksons (although to my knowledge he wasn't raped nor pimped out by his family). Shouldn't he get a pass for al those statutory rapes and abuses?

Why aren't you cutting him slack, too?

I'd rather not clog this thread with a belabored discussion, but I didn't mention R. Kelly so you really have no place stating how I feel about him.

The fact of the matter is that while I acknowledge a fondness for his music, I feel I can put that aside and conclude that while we do not know what happened, accusations are accusations, and even if they are true, then what happened doesn't reach a level that is all that bad. Not every instance of adult-child contact is exploitation. It is weird and gross, but worse happens. People have done worse and if I was in the shoes of these people I wouldn't be on a jihad to ruin the legacy of MJ.

 

[Truthspeaker]

How do you write a long-ass reply, get to the red part, and not just delete your draft, but your life entirely?

You have autism.

Less autistic than a guy who defends mutually masturbating eight-year-olds?

Presumably to OWN THE LIBS or whatever?

Not about Leaving Neverland specifically but when will Michael Jackson stop living rent free on your minds and leave?

Probably after his enablers in life stop making hundreds of millions of dollars off a homosexual pedophile.

Aren't there several threads on this site about pedophiles? Most of 'em haven't admitted to, nor been accused of, anywhere close to what Jacko did.

Maybe all those threads should be deleted. Who are we to judge on a site founded to make fun of an autistic manchild's fanfiction?

 

[Done]

Less autistic than a guy who defends mutually masturbating eight-year-olds?

Presumably to OWN THE LIBS or whatever?

You literally recognized that he was trolling you, then proceeded to go on anyways.

If that isn't autism, then I don't know what is.

 

[Truthspeaker]

You literally recognized that he was trolling you, then proceeded to go on anyways.

If that isn't autism, then I don't know what is.

Before, I was thinking he was trolling, then he posted this:

I'd rather not clog this thread with a belabored discussion, but I didn't mention R. Kelly so you really have no place stating how I feel about him.

The fact of the matter is that while I acknowledge a fondness for his music, I feel I can put that aside and conclude that while we do not know what happened, accusations are accusations, and even if they are true, then what happened doesn't reach a level that is all that bad.

Wouldn't a true troll start defending R. Kelly too?

Either way, I could post fanfiction of Sinic the Hedgehog meeting Michael Jackson on this site without coming close to being this pathetic.

Not every instance of adult-child contact is exploitation. It is weird and gross, but worse happens. People have done worse and if I was in the shoes of these people I wouldn't be on a jihad to ruin the legacy of MJ.

Robson accused Jacko of sodomizing him bloody.

 

[LD 3187]

Probably after his enablers in life stop making hundreds of millions of dollars off a homosexual pedophile.

Gotcha, so he will never leave your mind. Nice life choice!

 

[Truthspeaker]

Gotcha, so he will never leave your mind. Nice life choice!

Anything's possible. Pill Cosby was brought down by a single 2014 stand-up routine.

Jacko won't receive such justice in this life, but there's no reason his enablers deserve to make money off their rapist cash cow. That's an evil that's happening right now, and this documentary stands a good chance at tanking it.

 

[Done]

Anything's possible. Pill Cosby was brought down by a single 2014 stand-up routine.

Jacko won't receive such justice in this life, but there's no reason his enablers deserve to make money off their rapist cash cow. That's an evil that's happening right now, and this documentary stands a good chance at tanking it.

Yes, clearly justice will be made in a super-niche forum. People will be burning their copies of Thriller for sure!

 

[Truthspeaker]

Yes, clearly justice will be made in a super-niche forum. People will be burning their copies of Thriller for sure!

Y'know, I never thought about it like this.

Clearly I'm way outta line to post about a homosexual pedophile being a homosexual pedophile in a thread about the documentary where two of his yearslong friends occuse him of raping them on account of his homosexual pedophilia where a dozen stans also say said creepy old man was TOTALLY NOT a homosexual pedophile.

After all, it's not like there's any other thread anywhere on the board where anyone else is attacked for pedophilia, homosexual or otherwise.

And it's not like any of the non-existent pedos not covered on this site ever faced justice.