Leaving Neverland - heehee

[Andrei Tarkovsky]

I actually hear they’re going to extract the DNA evidence from Wade Robson and James Safechuck's buttholes, so they could get it tested on-camera.

Neither of them have taken a dump in 20 years because they were waiting for the DNA technology to be able to perform butt extractions.

 

[glass_houses]

MJ used love bombing tactics, groomed families, smoothly insinuated himself into daily family lives, physically separated children from their parents, shared his bed with the separated children, targeted naive and starstruck and arguably culpable mothers that were easily overwhelmed, owned pornography that was perfect paedophile grooming material, had a preferred age range for his 'friends', had employees speak out against him, settled court cases for tens of millions of dollars instead of fighting for his reputation...

If it walks like a paedophile, swims like a paedophile, and quacks like a paedophile, I think it's more likely than not to be a paedophile. Even dismissing 'Leaving Neverland' completely out of hand, there's still a fuckton of documented evidence that's damning. At this stage, defending Jackson is like trying to defend someone found covered in blood and holding a knife damaged against bone, on the grounds that no one actually saw the knife pierce flesh. Here's the body covered in wounds and the suspect covered in blood, but since there are no witnesses, there's no murder.

 

[AnAspieWithAVengeance]

Perfect time to ressurect this little nugget from my high school years
I don't molest little kids now baby. Hee!

 

[Kulee Baba]

MJ used love bombing tactics, groomed families, smoothly insinuated himself into daily family lives, physically separated children from their parents, shared his bed with the separated children, targeted naive and starstruck and arguably culpable mothers that were easily overwhelmed, owned pornography that was perfect paedophile grooming material, had a preferred age range for his 'friends', had employees speak out against him, settled court cases for tens of millions of dollars instead of fighting for his reputation...

Jesus Christ yes the mother of the American child disturbed me more than any other person in the documentary besides Michael himself.

To give benefit of the doubt I've only seen Part 1 and for sure a documentary of this scale has dozens of hours of cut interviews. But she just comes off as incredibly emotionally cold in all this. Talking about how nice Neverland was and the good wines, her voice doesn't even break knowing after the disturbing abuse at hand.

As for the Jackson Internet Defense Force, the level of denial is insane. I would argue on par with that of Holocaust Deniers. Indeed where there's smoke there's fire, and to believe Jackson at his word you have to believe the guy just wanted to keep hanging around little boys in his spare time.

 

[Pickle Dick]

Jimmy Savile 2.0(?)

 

[Super-Chevy454]

Perfect time to ressurect this little nugget from my high school years
I don't molest little kids now baby. Hee!

I guess we could resurrect that old Mad-TV parody clip about Neverland as well.

 

[Pickle Dick]

Michael Jackson Statue Taken Down at British Museum After 'Leaving Neverland'

A statue of Michael Jackson was removed from the National Football Museum in Manchester, England, on Thursday (March 7) following the release of Leaving Neverland.

www.billboard.com

meh, can't tell what a MJ statue was doing in a football stadium anyway

 

[glass_houses]

Jimmy Savile 2.0(?)

Jackson's target group was significantly smaller. Saville wasn't picky about where his victims came from, it was helplessness that turned him on.

 

[Kulee Baba]

I feel the same about serial adulterer and wife beater John Lennon. He talked a big game about peace when he wasn't roughing up women.

The more I learned about Lennon the more I loathe him. He was a man filled with such hypocrisies.

Here's a man who extolled far left values, especially by the time of Imagine with his droning of "no possessions." But way back he and Paul had absolutely no problem screwing George Harrison out of millions of dollars with their Lennon-McCartney partnership. Ultimately he was a masterful marketer and commercial artist, and as you noted far away a paragon of humanity.

The wikipedia article on "Hey Jude" is one of the funniest Beatles articles. If you didn't know Paul wrote the damn song for Julian Lennon to console him after his parents divorce. Guess what, John thought Hey, Jude was a song about himself. This and the woman beating makes me conclude that John was a 1st Class Narcissist.

 

[Saffronette]

MJ used love bombing tactics, groomed families, smoothly insinuated himself into daily family lives, physically separated children from their parents, shared his bed with the separated children, targeted naive and starstruck and arguably culpable mothers that were easily overwhelmed, owned pornography that was perfect paedophile grooming material, had a preferred age range for his 'friends', had employees speak out against him, settled court cases for tens of millions of dollars instead of fighting for his reputation...

If it walks like a paedophile, swims like a paedophile, and quacks like a paedophile, I think it's more likely than not to be a paedophile. Even dismissing 'Leaving Neverland' completely out of hand, there's still a fuckton of documented evidence that's damning. At this stage, defending Jackson is like trying to defend someone found covered in blood and holding a knife damaged against bone, on the grounds that no one actually saw the knife pierce flesh. Here's the body covered in wounds and the suspect covered in blood, but since there are no witnesses, there's no murder.

Their moms shouldn't have been in the documentary. They claim they "knew" but coincidentally both of them didn't find out until 2013 when their sons told them (which was mentioned in part 2). On top of that, their stories are copied from the 2005 allegations and a book (Michael Jackson Was My Lover) and can easily be disproven.

The fact that the moms are smiling should tip you off. It's almost like they're trying desperately to convince you with their bad acting that Michael totally did all this stuff. Wade wasn't a scared little boy at 22 when he begged to be a witness during the 2005 trial and defended him in court. At that time, he was desperate for the spotlight because the boybands he worked with weren't popular anymore.

Wade also implies that he abused his 3 kids which is weird, because his kids don't show signs of abuse or talk badly about him.

No doubt Michael was weird but that was due to him pretty much being a social autist. He didn't understand certain things like hanging around kids all the time as an adult would look very questionable to the public. But when I did look at the evidence, I didn't end up seeing this manipulative pedophile, just someone who's kindness was taken advantage of for monetary gain.

 

[BrunoMattei]

I think Movie Night played the docu last night but I bailed because I'm sick (again) and couldn't stomach a Madea movie. So without watching the subject in question causing this (highly amusing) slap fight, here's my rundown:

I think Jackson was a pedophile but he didn't act on it or he attempted to test the waters at the most. I was never a fan of the music so I consider myself to be as un-biased as possible.

 

[Andrei Tarkovsky]

I'm gonna get in a lot of hot water for this. And I have to preface by stating I'm not really in either camp of "HE DID IT" or "dindu nuffin he waz good boy das rite" (I don't think we'll never really know for sure).

But, can someone explain to me the reasoning behind watching a documentary and making up your mind to match exactly what that documentary was telling you without looking further into the matter?

All because he just seemed creepy and hung out with kids? Really?

 

[BrunoMattei]

I'm gonna get in a lot of hot water for this. And I have to preface by stating I'm not really in either camp of "HE DID IT" or "dindu nuffin he waz good boy das rite" (I don't think we'll never really know for sure).

But, can someone explain to me the reasoning behind watching a documentary and making up your mind to match exactly what that documentary was telling you without looking further into the matter?

All because he just seemed creepy and hung out with kids? Really?

Like I said, I don't know if he actually fucked kids or not, not enough evidence and all that. But there's certainly enough evidence to show he had feelings. Up to and including the "arty" nude photos of boys that he collected and having sleepovers with the latest tween heartthrob. I don't care who you are or what you know but there is definitely something fucked up with a grown ass man having sleep overs and constantly hanging out with children. The only time that might be acceptable is if the guy is mentally reatarded (mind of a child and all that) but that's literally it.

 

[Dysnomia]

Corey Feldman sure loves to make it seem like him and Corey Haim were close even though Haim stopped talking to Feldman before he died.
That's just another thing I'm noticing from these Feldman articles.

I don't really believe much of anything the Feld Man says anymore. He is a conman who was horrible to his so-called best friend and was abusive towards his Angels. Note that Feldman said that the Angels were vulnerable and from broken homes. He took at risk young women into his home just to play Hugh Hefner while simultaniously acting out his piss poor Michael Jackson 2.0 fantasy. And he couldn't even bother to pay the Angels and starved them. He sure made sure he had enough drugs though.

Corey Haim's actual friends have said that he and Feldman had not been close in a very long time because of Feldman's jealousy fueled shenanigans. The friendship was toxic. The wrong Corey was taken from us.

Anyway, I haven't seen the documentary yet as I am still stuck on a stupid mobile device (PC died) so I don't think torrents are an option. Unlike Surviving R Kelly, which I found easily enough this is HBO and they don't mess around. But I watched some of the Oprah interview although not enough to judge anything yet.

When I was a kid MJ was huge. But even then a lot of people thought he was a weirdo and had too much plastic surgery. My mom had said it was because he was obsessed with Diana Ross and wanted to look like a woman. Back then I kind of believed it. We just sorta watched him morph through the years and after awhile you didn't think of it anymore. I mean you knew it was weird and he was turning white. But it was something you expected so after awhile you'd see those "Michael Jackson's nose is falling off" headlines, glance at the scary melting clown face and just shrug and go back to whatever you were doing.

It was a weird time. I don't think we will ever live through such bizarreness on that level again with a celebrity. If you missed it then you missed out on a very strange chunk of music and celebrity history. Much stranger than the idiotic stuff that goes on today with social media slapfights and which former Disney/Nickelodeon starlet turned pop star is in rehab this week.

MJ was huge. I had MJ merchandise and I remember going to parades and faires and vendors would sell stuff like whistles with his face on them. Whistles. Obviously bootlegs but anything to cash in on the phenomena. Gossip was spread through tabloids and TV shows like Evening Magazine and Entertainment Tonight. There was no social media. It was very different. No blue check marks trying to police people's opinions and condemning anyone based on feels. You wanted diversity? Go watch Donahue interview transexual midgets who struggle with diabetes or any of the other freakshows of the era. MJ's weirdness was actualy right at home back then. Before Oprah had the book club and the celebrity exclusives she was doing the same trash TV.

I think that is part of the reason why, at least for awhile, MJ's weirdness wasn't really seen as being as weird as it really was. When you look at it from a modern lens, yeah Wacko Jacko seems twenty times more wacko.

I don't think we will ever know the whole story. The Jackson clan will never spill anything they might know. No one is gonna risk being cut off from legacybux since most of them don't do anything anyway. Latoya was rather vocal about a few things for awhile. And she even claimed in her book that Joe at one point choked her. He got really mad about that.

MJ was a child star with no childhood. It's no wonder he grew up to be Wacko Jacko.

I feel like MJ was definitly inappropriate with some of these boys. Maybe he just wasn't going to risk doing anything to Macauley because at the time he was the biggest child star in America and his father was an abusive nut job. Or maybe it was because it mirrored his own chilhood situation a little too much.

Feldman was really big too for awhile. Maybe it was because of that and the fact that his career picked up when he was already a teen and might have been a little too old for MJ. I find the whole thing more creepy on Feldman's side actually. Dude is obsessed with being an MJ mini me despite having absolutely no singing or dancing talent.

 

[Stab You in the Back]

I don't care who you are or what you know but there is definitely something fucked up with a grown ass man having sleep overs and constantly hanging out with children. The only time that might be acceptable is if the guy is mentally reatarded (mind of a child and all that) but that's literally it.

What if Michael was 100% on the level and just living out some weird, asexual peter pan fantasy?

Everybody agrees that its fucked up, but Michael was fucked up, both physically and mentally. This is the one situation where maybe the obvious pedophile wasn't a pedophile at all.

 

[Sinner's Sandwich]

This skit is still funny even with the horrible revelations about MJ

 

[Kulee Baba]

Their moms shouldn't have been in the documentary. They claim they "knew" but coincidentally both of them didn't find out until 2013 when their sons told them (which was mentioned in part 2). On top of that, their stories are copied from the 2005 allegations and a book (Michael Jackson Was My Lover) and can easily be disproven.

The fact that the moms are smiling should tip you off. It's almost like they're trying desperately to convince you with their bad acting that Michael totally did all this stuff. Wade wasn't a scared little boy at 22 when he begged to be a witness during the 2005 trial and defended him in court. At that time, he was desperate for the spotlight because the boybands he worked with weren't popular anymore.

Wade also implies that he abused his 3 kids which is weird, because his kids don't show signs of abuse or talk badly about him.

No doubt Michael was weird but that was due to him pretty much being a social autist. He didn't understand certain things like hanging around kids all the time as an adult would look very questionable to the public. But when I did look at the evidence, I didn't end up seeing this manipulative pedophile, just someone who's kindness was taken advantage of for monetary gain.

So you're suggesting these two men are in it for what? Fame? Money? Or just some malicious fun to spite burn down the legacy of the most famous musical peformer?

Because if it's the first two I just don't buy it. Who wants to be known for getting molested? Secondly I don't think there is much money to be made. I'd only reconsider if Indiegogo's start popping up.

We only know for certain that these two men had a tight knit relationship with Michael at his most famous. And I think it's incredulous to believe two men would say similarly disgusting stories with such conviction. This isn't Jussie Smollet going on daytime tv and implying he's a hero who "fought back."

 

[Orkeosaurus]

Who wants to be known for getting molested?

Where have you been for the last 5 years?

Secondly I don't think there is much money to be made. I'd only reconsider if Indiegogo's start popping up.

The very first thing Wade did was sue the Jackson estate in 2013. It's pretty disingenuous to say there was no financial incentive. There might not be now that his lolsuit got swatted down, but he's back into the limelight so there's that.

 

[XYZpdq]

It's odd that people focus on those books alone and not the mountains of heterosexual porn that ended up being found along with that. I mentioned the books in an earlier post and how people used them as "evidence" of child porn in the case. If he really was this pedo they would have found more things. They went through his computer and didn't find any child porn on them either; something that would have been more relevant to the case than some old books.

Yeah, I mean, who DOESN'T have at least one or two books of "artistic" photos of naked kids in their book collections, that's totally normal and everybody does it.

 

[Niggernerd]

I was listening to the radio yesterday and heard some music critic claim that after watching this documentary, he can't bear to listen to Michael jackson's music anymore, it makes him physically ill. He was saying the allegations were so disturbing that he can no longer separate the art from the artist, as it were. This makes me wonder whether that music critic is some kind of overly emotional virtue-signaling pansy, whether the documentary is really that horrifying, or maybe both.

It's horrifyingly bad.