Knives Out - The new film by Rian "subverted expectations" Johnson

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FernandoPooTragedy dijo:
So Rian Johnson made a solid film. What a surprise! ...to all the people who have only ever seen The Last Jedi.
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After watching watching this I am begining to feel like THE LAST JEDI was too much of an anomoly

Like Rian Johnson was playing a game "If I do what Disney and Lucasfilm wants I can finance the kind of movies I want to make" and he did the bare minimum effort.
 
Manwithn0n0men dijo:
After watching watching this I am begining to feel like THE LAST JEDI was too much of an anomoly

Like Rian Johnson was playing a game "If I do what Disney and Lucasfilm wants I can finance the kind of movies I want to make" and he did the bare minimum effort.
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That and I get the feeling the script was rushed thanks to Disney wanting to crank out these things every other year and the pressures of pre-production on a movie like that. And, you know, not apparently having a solid plan for the franchise. Brick is a masterpiece, The Brothers Bloom is ADORABLE and Looper is great. My boyfriend and I were talking about it last night how the shitty writing is the only really huge problem with that movie. It looks fantastic and the acting is good. And he haaaaaates The Last Jedi. I got him to agree to see Knives Out this weekend and I am so happy!
 
Kacho dijo:
I think he's an ok director. His work on Breaking Bad was some of the best the series had. I just think he's much better at the technical side than storytelling.
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Like Knives Out, Ozymandias, Brick, Brothers Bloom, Looper, The Fly, The Last Jedi

The Last Jedi really doesnt FEEL like a Rian Johnson story

FernandoPooTragedy dijo:
That and I get the feeling the script was rushed thanks to Disney wanting to crank out these things every other year and the pressures of pre-production on a movie like that. And, you know, not apparently having a solid plan for the franchise. Brick is a masterpiece, The Brothers Bloom is ADORABLE and Looper is great. My boyfriend and I were talking about it last night how the shitty writing is the only really huge problem with that movie. It looks fantastic and the acting is good. And he haaaaaates The Last Jedi. I got him to agree to see Knives Out this weekend and I am so happy!
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I think the most consistent knock I have on Rian is he always does the wrong ending
 
Rian Johnson thought he was making the best Star Wars he could.

He really thought we'd all be amazed by his additions to the universe - the mary poppins flying princess powers and the long distance force ghost thing. All stuff he probably invented playing with his figures at home as a child.

But it was just meh.
 
COMMI3 MARK dijo:
Rian Johnson thought he was making the best Star Wars he could.

He really thought we'd all be amazed by his additions to the universe - the mary poppins flying princess powers and the long distance force ghost thing. All stuff he probably invented playing with his figures at home as a child.

But it was just meh.
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Mary Poppings was added at the request of the Story Group [as was Luke's force teleport and force skype]
 
It was alright. Definitely not 9/10 like some people are giving it, but I didn't hate it. Rian Johnson really needs to give the screenplay to someone else, though.
 
The one thing I will say is that Rian Johnson has apparently no self-awareness. This dude is rich as fuck, too, he's not apart from the douche-canoes in the movie. He may not be conservative blue blood rich, but he's certainly smarmy west coast liberal rich, and how he writes "down to earth working class people" isn't really any less stereotypical than other rich writers. It's just that the down to earth working class person in this movie is a sweet latina woman, so it's all good.
 
HeyYou dijo:
The one thing I will say is that Rian Johnson has apparently no self-awareness. This dude is rich as fuck, too, he's not apart from the douche-canoes in the movie. He may not be conservative blue blood rich, but he's certainly smarmy west coast liberal rich, and how he writes "down to earth working class people" isn't really any less stereotypical than other rich writers. It's just that the down to earth working class person in this movie is a sweet latina woman, so it's all good.
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He writes working class people like he's never met one
 
Manwithn0n0men dijo:
He writes working class people like he's never met one
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To be honest, I was really digging the movie at first. I thought that Rian was going to reveal that the latina woman was manipulating them by pretending to be a typical working class unassuming maid because they're rich dipshits and was more gray than she first appeared and I thought some of the family would be revealed to be more complicated than they appear, with maybe some of them not even being that bad. That ended up not being the case, but I wish it had. That would have made for a more interesting twist on the whodunnit genre.
 
HeyYou dijo:
To be honest, I was really digging the movie at first. I thought that Rian was going to reveal that the latina woman was manipulating them by pretending to be a typical working class unassuming maid because they're rich dipshits and was more gray than she first appeared and I thought some of the family would be revealed to be more complicated than they appear, with maybe some of them not even being that bad. That ended up not being the case, but I wish it had. That would have made for a more interesting twist on the whodunnit genre.
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But fundementally this wasnt a Whodunnit but a Howdunnit
 
Manwithn0n0men dijo:
She actually DIDNT do it
At best Chris Evans did was attempted Murder

And the story was more about how she and Daniel Craig figured it all out and lead justice to its proper natural course
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That's what I'm saying, everyone watching this movie knew full well that she didn't do it, while the movie was trying to make you think that she might be lying or otherwise not telling the truth, and were instead wondering which dipshit in the family was the one who did it (and I think quite a few people even guessed who it actually was). So it's a "howdunnit" in the sense that literally everyone guessed she didn't do it and who actually might have done it, but the movie was trying to make it a whodunnit in certain aspects and kind of failed at that. It would have been better served as a whodunnit that reveals she's not telling the entire truth and may actually have done it while complicating the family and making them all equally likely to have done it.
 
I watched Knives Out yesterday. It was pretty good - I would give it an 8/10 - but I feel like the political overtones were too overt and it's really going to date this movie. I imagine a future where no one knows what an SJW is, what Hamilton is, and don't understand the whole debate about anchor babies, and I feel if I rewatch this movie in ten years, it'll bring me back to a political climate I don't want to remember because modern politics is fucking stupid and shouldn't be remembered.
 
HeyYou dijo:
That's what I'm saying, everyone watching this movie knew full well that she didn't do it, while the movie was trying to make you think that she might be lying or otherwise not telling the truth, and were instead wondering which dipshit in the family was the one who did it (and I think quite a few people even guessed who it actually was). So it's a "howdunnit" in the sense that literally everyone guessed she didn't do it and who actually might have done it, but the movie was trying to make it a whodunnit in certain aspects and kind of failed at that. It would have been better served as a whodunnit that reveals she's not telling the entire truth and may actually have done it while complicating the family and making them all equally likely to have done it.
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But
I thought her Lie-Puking thing was actually neat[/quote] the way they set up what makes HER think she did it was (IMO) overly telegraphed. Which made the ending less satisfying to me. The way they telegraphed it gave me a much more interesting mystery
What if Christopher Plumber set the whole thing up. Including the medication error as part of an elaborate suicide plan to screw with his family one way.
 
I'll be honest, it looks good based on what I've seen in the trailers. Plus I love Toni Collette and anything with her is typically solid.

I just don't want to give that smugfuck Ruin money after what he did to Star Wars. I'll wait till I can pirate it somewhere.
 
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