Joaquin Phoenix as the Joker - Won an Oscar

What will the combined score of shootings blamed on "Joker" be after opening weekend?

  • 0

    Votos: 13 11.7%
  • 1-10

    Votos: 23 20.7%
  • 11-20

    Votos: 3 2.7%
  • 21-39

    Votos: 5 4.5%
  • 40+

    Votos: 67 60.4%

  • Total de votantes
    111
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I don't know when Leslie Fish wrote This Game Is Real (certainly not 2009), but the references in it are about as ancient as the based fujoshi queen herself:

"I'm a live-roleplaying gamer,
I used to play out in the wood
Twilight 2000 and Shadowrun
I played whenever I could.
I'd put on my costume and shoot tin cans
And make firecrackers fly
Then my front door got kicked down again -
This time it was the FBI.

They stole my guns, my video tapes,
Every book I'd ever read,
And a couple of bags of fertilizer
Out of the garden shed.
They told the press I was a terrorist
And planned to blow up half the town,
They called me a raving militia nut
And a neo-nazi clown."

The 2000 of Twilight 2000 was a post-apocalyptic future. 2020, as in Cyberpunk 2020, is in three months.
I quoted Gamers for a reason Homeland security since 2002 has been predicting an american insurrection. Gamers/Incels are the latest thing to fear

lol ok. Also Walter White was already a piece of shit, so it wasn't a decent into nothing. It was just him being unleashed by being a criminal instead of chained by rules and civilization.

Yeah Walter White just needed a push. But the show wanted you to think otherwise as a misdirection
 
Saw the movie.
Holy shit it was very fucking good.
Its one of those movies you can only see once because if you know what happens it will kinda ruin the true feeling of suprise.
 
Saw the movie.
Holy shit it was very fucking good.
Its one of those movies you can only see once because if you know what happens it will kinda ruin the true feeling of suprise.
Really? I've always been one to believe spoilers don't do much to a story, in fact found myself enjoying stories the second time around more often. A plot twist is great and all, but nothing beats knowing it's coming and seeing the hints that get dropped and how they manage to fool you through the whole thing. I compare it to like a jump scare versus slow build up horror. Is it a "surprise" that would get ruined by spoilers, or just one from the feeling of the movie?
 
Having a look at the hashtag. A lot of people are raving about this movie, and then you also get shit like this:

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All in all, it's hard to find actual people angry about the film on Twitter, though. Granted, I'm not looking specifically for blue checkmarks.
 
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I just......am in awe at what I am reading. Spoilers for The Joker btw because this douchebag saw fit to happily spoil that inferior and pro alt right movie

This weekend, a film about an unstable loner pushed to the edge by an uncaring society comes to theaters. This figure, a virginal loser whose only female contact comes from tenderly sponge-bathing his elderly shut-in mother, feels like he’s been cheated by a world out of order. He exudes rage outward in every direction: to the girl next door failing to reciprocate his crush, to the absentee father leaving him without a role model, to the celebrity idol he worships until he ends up the butt of their joke. With nothing to lose and a heart full of hatred, the angry white man finally snaps, smearing on some face paint and going on a shocking rampage of gunfire. For all its extreme subject matter, this film has captured one particularly toxic dimension of the national attitude, a vitally relevant work of popular art for better and for worse.

I am referring, of course, to Rob Lambert’s new motion picture Cuck. What’s that? They made another Joker movie?!

The similarities between Lambert’s vision of alt-right virulence and Todd Phillips’ much-discussed take on the famed foe of Batman are so numerous and specific that one would almost certainly seem like a rip-off of the other if the films hadn’t been produced concurrently. They’re joined in an objective to burrow into the pathologies of an extremist, to take a close look and discover what drives a seemingly ordinary person to extraordinary violence. Many critics have deemed Phillips’ film a failure in its chosen creative mission, generally on charges of inadvertently glorifying the character it’s supposed to be critiquing. What luck, then, that this week’s cinematic offerings would also yield an illustrative counterexample to Joker’s crucial missteps. Lambert’s film makes its point by delving deeper into toxicity and committing to the most unattractive parts of itself. He’s willing to put his money where mouth is, and the result is more repellent, honest and astute than this week’s odds-on box office champion.

Our man is Ronnie (Zachary Ray Sherman), a self-described “patriot” disseminating racist invective from the computer room of his home in the California suburbs. Though he likes to wear his father’s fatigues around town, he failed the military’s psych exam and wouldn’t get far with his doughy physique even if he passed. He subsists on a daily diet of vlog rants stoking the fires of misogyny, xenophobia, homophobia and every other strain of bigotry one could think up. Ronnie’s taken to recording some of his own, going on awkward and inarticulate tirades laced with buzzwords native to his adopted peer group. Everyone’s either a “cuck”, a “libtard” or worse.

There’s nothing even faintly sympathetic about Ronnie. Every time it looks like the film might be showing some compassion toward his loneliness, he turns around and does something vile to remind us that his plight is almost entirely of his own creation. He’s most likely diagnosable, and yet Lambert recognizes that mental illness isn’t the real culprit here, but rather one element of a volatile combination. However Ronnie may be mixed-up in the head, his decisions and surroundings exacerbate and amplify his dark lines of thinking, creating a feedback loop in which his alienation from the world compounds itself every time he tries to make a connection. Lambert plays up the “incel” angle, first when Ronnie’s attempt to chat up a stranger spirals out into calling her a bitch, and again when he falls in with his neighbors. They make cuckold pornography, and in Ronnie, they think they’ve found the perfect guy to play the husband watching helplessly as a superior man goes to town on his “wife”.

During these scenes, in which the couple seems needlessly cruel and antagonistic enough to justify Ronnie’s eventual animosity towards them, Lambert overplays his hand. It seems for a moment like the world really is conspiring against Ronnie, when in actuality, he’s merely cast himself as a tragic hero while playing the fool. The director and co-writer Joe Varkle are sharp about the black comedy that necessarily, uncomfortably coexists with this strain of dim-witted terrorism; a meeting to restore white supremacist values in America takes place at a TGI Friday’s-style family restaurant, and ends with its leader musing that he’s been eyeing the chilli fries.

That much proves essential during the chilling finale, in which Ronnie takes up arms against the many enemies existing largely within his fevered imagination. He turns out to be a pretty bad shooter, between his piss-poor aim and lack of a tactical plan. He clumsily picks off the few people he has anything personal against, then realizes he has nothing left to do with all of his anger, so he kills himself by pulling a gun on the police cornering him. It’s a coward’s way out of facing the consequences, and a surprisingly potent corrective to the end of Joker, which finds Joaquin Phoenix’s maniacal antihero having essentially gotten away with it as he continues to outrun the authorities chasing him.

The most indelible shots of each film speak volumes about their true belief in the content of their protagonists’ souls. The definitive image of Joker finds Phoenix in full clown get-up, power-striding down the street in slow motion as he revels in all the chaos he’s created, like a deranged perversion of the classic sequence from The Right Stuff. The most memorable bit of Cuck comes when Ronnie’s at his lowest, peer-pressured into letting a performer ejaculate on his face as the camera keeps rolling. The former can’t help but admire the character it claims to interrogate and dissect, and the latter ensures that that will never be possible. Lambert’s film pulls no punches in its efforts the show who Ronnie really is – neither hero, nor martyr, nor object of pity. He’s just loud, and small.

Out of all this....astonishing text, this paragraph astounded me the most
There’s nothing even faintly sympathetic about Ronnie. Every time it looks like the film might be showing some compassion toward his loneliness, he turns around and does something vile to remind us that his plight is almost entirely of his own creation. He’s most likely diagnosable, and yet Lambert recognizes that mental illness isn’t the real culprit here, but rather one element of a volatile combination. However Ronnie may be mixed-up in the head, his decisions and surroundings exacerbate and amplify his dark lines of thinking, creating a feedback loop in which his alienation from the world compounds itself every time he tries to make a connection. Lambert plays up the “incel” angle, first when Ronnie’s attempt to chat up a stranger spirals out into calling her a bitch, and again when he falls in with his neighbors. They make cuckold pornography, and in Ronnie, they think they’ve found the perfect guy to play the husband watching helplessly as a superior man goes to town on his “wife”.

A double hit of "this film portrays demographics I hate as iredeemable subhuman scum AND THIS IS AWESOME!" and sub-boomer tier notions of what drives such pesky subhumans to call enlightened and superior men like him cucks

Oh yeah and if you wondering what the writer looks like...yeah take a guess
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If I don't see one black cock fucking his wife during the entire screening, I would ask for a refund

Oh and if you like that article, you'll love these.
https://www.theguardian.com/film/20...d-how-joker-is-too-juvenile-to-be-provocative
https://www.theguardian.com/film/sh...ultural-moment-smug-and-banal-joaquin-phoenix

No wonder, then, that since its premiere at the Venice international film festival in August, Phoenix’s anarchic, ultraviolent Joker has been understood as a kind of stand-in for basement-dwelling incels-turned-mass shooters, and the film itself a timely evocation of a tense, Trumpian cultural moment.
Fleck is bemused by the kerfuffle, insisting that he is “not political”, and there’s something in the idea that public figures are easily co-opted by the violent far right. Still, the film isn’t daring enough to pass as truly nihilistic. Writers Todd Phillips and Scott Silver buffer Fleck from identification with white supremacy by giving him a crush on his African American neighbour (Zazie Beetz). It is a sign, perhaps, that there is a concern about alienating certain ticket-buying audiences.
 
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If I don't see one black cock fucking his wife during the entire screening, I would ask for a refund

Oh and if you like that article, you'll love these.
https://www.theguardian.com/film/20...d-how-joker-is-too-juvenile-to-be-provocative
https://www.theguardian.com/film/sh...ultural-moment-smug-and-banal-joaquin-phoenix
I am just in awe at this specimen triumphantly declaring the Cuck film to be better solely because it alone portrays the boomer caricature of his internet enemies as sufficiently untermensch and worthless for his liking.
 
I am just in awe at this specimen triumphantly declaring the Cuck film to be better solely because it alone portrays the boomer caricature of his internet enemies as sufficiently untermensch and worthless for his liking.

"The only acceptable and woke films are those that portray people I disagree with as irredeemably evil and pathetic"
 
Hahahaha. These faggots are going to have their assholes blown out in box office returns. They were trying to make something happen. It only made the hysteria cause the movie theaters to have protection and make people safe. The hysteria and 'danger' caused more people to see it.

Now they think that their opinion is more influential than human fear. Fucking lol. Oh and these people are going to pay to see the movie anyway because you can easily virtue signal on Twitter and lie about it.

I'm only sad because I promised I'd see it with someone on Sunday so I have to wait to see it.
 
Lol didnt see that somebody beat me to the punch.

But yeah, this is straight up unironic "I DONT WANT NUANCE OR ART! I WANT PROPAGANDA AGAINST MY ENEMIES!" shit from these self declared media critics. This mentality would have been considered obscenely miserable and upitight in the goddamn 1950s red scare. Fucking hell even the Nazi's propaganda department was more chill than this shit.

Ya know....given recent events I really hate to say this but at this point in time This Man right here is legitimately a better movie critic than all of these fucking people.
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Just got back from watching it and I truly enjoyed it and this take of Joker. Helps get rid of that pathetic Hot Topic version from Suicide Squad. What happened to Joker in the movie and what he does won't even fit the standard of the incels we mock on this site.
 
Just got back from watching it and I truly enjoyed it and this take of Joker. Helps get rid of that pathetic Hot Topic version from Suicide Squad. What happened to Joker in the movie and what he does won't even fit the standard of the incels we mock on this site.
Because the Incels we mock on this site, I.e the ACTUAL incels that actually exist in the actual world, will never be anything other than a tiny subculture fringe of bitter autistic douchebags bound to the internet.

The media boogieman group "THE INCELS" however is a vast shadow army, tens of millions strong, of armed ISIS tier fanatics drawn from the disgusting manbaby virgin loner loser ranks of 4chan/gamergate/trump supporters/meme users/people who dont like media approved pop culture/people who disagree with smart and right people on twitter/people who vote for the wrong kind of democrat, who seek nothing more than the extermination of every ethnic person and the legalisation of the rape and enslavement of all women, girls, and enlightened male feminists, and are just waiting for the covert signal to start their genocide from their secret leaders.... who just so happen to be the people who the media most despises at any given time.

The latter definition allows any villain/antihero of any piece of media deemed problematic to become an "Incel Icon" solely because a journalist decides it would be really convinient to the narrative if it were so. Thus the Joker becomes king of the Incels until the next mildly "edgy" property pisses off the wrong balding bearded creepy media man and has its main character declared the Incel messiah
 
Imagine being so offended by the insult "cuck" that you make an entire movie dedicated to saying "no u!"
Say what you like about Jack Chick but atleast his "EVERYONE WHO MAKES FUN OF ME AND EVERYONE I HATE IS A SUBHUMAN SATAN LOVING MONSTER WHO IS GOING TO HELL UNLESS THEY GROVEL FOR FORGIVENESS!" schtick was limited to crappy little comic books
 
Just watched this, reminds me of a rawer Mullholland drive, or the machinist, and yes I know people compare it to taxidriver, but I havent seen it..

And I enjoyed it very much, though a bit heavy at times.
 
I've seen no less than five new critic reviews shit all over this movie in the past hour. Meanwhile, if you check twitter, the word "masterpiece" has been used more times than I can count on all fingers and toes. If a place as left-leaning as twitter says the movie is great, it's a good sign the critics need to stop and admit defeat. This monster is going to break records.
 
Oh my god... That was amazing...
Honestly it was so good I couldn't believe it was real. No "save the cat" here folks!

It's hammy, goofy and a little predictable in parts but none of those harm the film. The silliness only enhanced the experience honestly. My favourite scene was probably when Arthur accidentally shoots a hole in his mother's wall and has to cover it up.

I did guess the twist immediately when I saw the mayor's name in the newspaper in the train scene. It was a cool guess though as the hints were handled well. I felt clever for figuring it out myself rather than disappointed in the director's lowballing of the audience's intelligence. I do wish they hadn't directly named Bruce though, just a little too on the nose.

I felt really happy when Arthur let the midget live. I was expecting that to be the part of the film when his justification slips but was pleasantly surprised to see that old trope subverted.

I really enjoyed the unreliable narrator bits. The ending I managed to guess but it happened in a way I totally didn't expect. The whole show scene was a complete surprise so props to the moviemakers. What a fucking ending too. I was sitting there with a giant expression of shock and wonder, my mouth was agape.
The final shot was perfect, the warm lighting and Arthur's scooby doo chase brought a playful end to the film.
 
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