KR Japanese Manga are being eclipsed by Korean webtoons - The industry’s business model has hardly changed since the 1960s

https://www.economist.com/asia/2022/12/08/japanese-manga-are-being-eclipsed-by-korean-webtoons (https://archive.vn/aesfl)

Lee hyun-seok grew up in South Korea addicted to Japanese manga series such as “Dragon Ball” and “Slam Dunk”. As soon as he could, he emigrated to Tokyo to build a successful career as a manga artist and editor. Then in the early 2000s came “webtoons”, a South Korean cartoon innovation optimised for smartphones. Mr Lee was at first unimpressed. Compared with manga’s inventive graphic styles and sophisticated plots, he found webtoons crude and superficial. “I thought: ‘Anybody can make this’.”

Yet Japanese manga are being eclipsed by Korean webtoons. Last year the manga print market shrank by 2.3% to ¥265bn ($1.9bn). The size of the global webtoons market was meanwhile valued at $3.7bn—and projected to reach $56bn by 2030. Manga are gravitating to digital slowly, in part because they are still designed for print, so awkward to read on smartphones. The letters tend to be too small and the way the panels are laid out requires constant zooming in and out. Seeing which way the wind was blowing, Mr Lee abandoned manga for the webtoon industry in 2014.

Though webtoons such as “Itaewon Class” and “Solo Levelling” have become popular among Japanese consumers, most Japanese publishers have stuck doggedly to manga. “The Japanese industry is very conservative,” sighs Mr Lee. “There’s a strong belief that it’s better to stick with precedent.” The manga industry’s business model, in which stories are first published in weekly magazines and then in books, has hardly changed since the 1960s.

Their format is also sacrosanct. Japanese manga hew to unique templates which require special knowledge of readers, such as the order in which panels must be read. “The only people who know how to read manga are Japanese, Koreans and geeks across the world,” says Iwamoto Keita, who runs a cartoon studio. Webtoons have grown so fast, in part, because they can be read more easily and intuitively.

It is tempting to see the way manga traditionalists are ceding the global cartoon market to South Korean innovators as symbolic of a broader malaise: the sluggishness and introspection of too many Japanese firms. Other recent South Korean exports, such as the Netflix sensation “Squid Game” and bts, a boy band, have taken the world by storm thanks to the same combination of innovation and smart marketing behind webtoons. Meanwhile, the “Cool Japan” strategy of the government in Tokyo, intended to emulate that Korean success, has been a flop. Having run up huge losses, it may soon be abandoned.

And yet, by sticking to what it does best, the manga industry has at least maintained its strengths. Its complicated layouts can convey sophisticated narratives. And many manga are artistic wonders, with designs manipulated at the millimetre level. Witness the intricate ink drawings in “Vagabond”, an epic martial-arts series, or the surrealist illustrations of “Berserk”, a medieval fantasy. By contrast, complex plots with dramatic twists are hard to convey in webtoons, which can display only a limited number of words. “I doubt webtoons would ever trump manga in terms of quality,” says Mr Iwamoto.

With their strong stories and craftsmanship, manga maintain a loyal domestic audience, which gives publishers little motivation to innovate or change. Growth in their core business may be flagging; yet they can still find opportunities to boost revenues through anime adaptations, or by collaborating with businesses that create manga-themed merchandise. Shueisha, the publisher that produced “Demon Slayer”, a recent hit manga and anime, had record sales in 2021. “There’s not much of a sense of crisis among Japanese publishers,” observes Nakayama Atsuo, an entertainment-industry expert.

Some still fret about the future. Japan’s manga fans are, like all its population, ageing. The average reader of the Weekly Shonen Magazine, a manga anthology for children (shonen means “young boy”) launched in 1959, is now over 30. “Manga could end up as old people’s culture,” warns Mr Lee. “Children these days are scrolling through webtoons on their smartphones. Why not make something that suits their taste?”




Is this a nothingburger? Weebs on suicide watch?
 
As @Iwasamwillbe said, manhwa are positioned to refine themselves. Maybe one of them can make a story where there's a good reason why you would still want to hang out with your repeat rapist. Maybe that'll be their Go Nagai-tier contribution to the industry.
Methinks you don't have a high opinion of Go Nagai.

And manhwa aren't the same as webtoons, although there's been a heavy overlap between them as of late. Manhwa (Korean comics), just like manhua (Chinese comics), have existed for decades before the World Wide Web even was a thing to begin with. There are several Korean comics (such as "Blade of the Phantom Master") that have even become popular in Japan, with art that could rival even the greatest Japanese masters. During the post-Toonami wave of anime infatuation in the US (itself built on the surge of interest in Japanese popular culture after the release of the NES), there were many manhwas being sold to Americans by Tokyopop, blithely (or perhaps deliberately) mixed in with mangas and manhuas, presumably because Tokyopop either considered them to be "all the same shit", (rather intelligently) presumed their audience couldn't tell the difference, or both.

There have also been manhua that can more than match anything out of Japan, at least in terms of art. And don't think there hasn't been any cross-pollination between Korea, China (specifically, Hong Kong), and Japan throughout the decades. Koreans have helped work on anime (on the cheap) for decades, while Hong Kongers and Japanese regularly took ideas from each other. It also doesn't hurt that many older Koreans and Hong Kongers' introductions to the world of manga and anime were mainly through pirated (and heavily localized*) comics and dubbed animes.

In terms of established paper publishing houses, Korean and Chinese comics have been sufficiently well-developed for decades. Now, if you're talking about webcomics, it's an entirely different story.

The reason most Korean and Chinese webcomics suck is the same reason most Japanese webcomics are increasingly gimmicky isekai/JRPG power fantasy refuse, or most English-language webcomics suck donkey dick: they have an incredibly low barrier to entry (which is both a blessing and a curse), and most of the people writing them have cultural reference frames that don't extend much further beyond "whatever was mainstream/popular in my country when I was ages 5-21". The reason webtoon and Chinese webcomic art is often so flat is because they don't shade their colors in a "detailed" fashion, preferring instead to just shade a corner of an object with a single tone that's slightly darker than the rest. There's something about their linework too, but I can't really put it to words right now.

*and not in the gay way that modern English "localizers" currently do things to shove in ideological biases or insert shitty memes, I'm talking more like turning "Son Goku" into the Korean equivalent "Son Oh-Gong" to fit Korean cultural import laws, or into "Syun Ng-Hung" to fit similar laws in China.

One of the bigger animes of the year was an adaption of a Polish videogame set in a universe written by an American.
Besides, Japan has a long history of outsourcing animation work to cheaper Korean studios. So it's not like Anime being an international effort is a new thing
You're right there. However, anime was never as much an "international effort" as it is now. Right now, you can see and interact with the Twitter accounts of American freelancers (like Henry Thurlow) working on Japanese products such as One Piece, My Hero Academia, Chainsaw Man, and Bleach. This wouldn't be possible even ten years ago. The only thing I could really compare to the current day of anime production was Robotech and how the American distributors of MD Geist actually commissioned new scenes specifically for a "director's cut" version of a frankly dogshit anime.
 
Methinks you don't have a high opinion of Go Nagai.
On the contrary, the point of invoking him was to imply that the discovery would be a monumental contribution that would drastically influence the manhwa* industry at its very foundations.

I don't exactly have a particularly charged opinion on the guy, but he's dipped into several genres and it's been said with credibility that he was a major influence in all of those (I think it was also said he created the magical girl and super robot genres).

*Manhwa doesn't necessarily equal Korean webtoon, despite the overlap-- noted
 
The Lazy Lord Masters the Sword is pretty good, and Kim Carnby's stuff is enjoyable to read. Hell, there are a few that are complete trash but enjoyable to read like Cultivation Chat Group.
You also get the other end of the spectrum with stuff like Pervert Club, where the author resigned after getting drunk as shit and sexually harassing a bunch of his coworkers. That was funny.
 
The weebs on HN have shared a few of these.







I agree that they're basically built for endless scrolling, and the art and colors are comfy enough.



Interesting, so this format has been around for quite a while.
Twenty-five years ago this type of page formatting would've made users think the website was broken.
My inner autist can't let it go...
 
Hatsukoi Zombie is a series that confounds me. How can everyone involved in the production know the main love story sucks yet refuse to fix it whilst still using the actual popular female lead to shill covers?
That's the actual behind-the-scenes? Wasn't aware.

...but, um, you'll have to be more a bit more specific when you say "actual popular female lead", since I read this well after it ended and without being involved with anybody else on the internet who had opinions about it.
 
That's the actual behind-the-scenes? Wasn't aware.

...but, um, you'll have to be more a bit more specific when you say "actual popular female lead", since I read this well after it ended and without being involved with anybody else on the internet who had opinions about it.
I don't know for certain who they're referring to, all I know is that Ebino was best girl.
 
I don't know for certain who they're referring to, all I know is that Ebino was best girl.
I don't do well with blunt sex appeal, but reverse traps are cool.

I don't wanna say that a character can't be busty and have thick eyebrows... but there's something palpably aggravating and distracting to me about characters that look like they were the product of an aggressive attempt to create a design that would be sexually appealing to the reader.

That, and I don't like slogging through obviously fated-to-lose rivals processing and accepting their loss in the protag-bowl. It's not just a downer-- I already knew that was going to happen. There was no mystery, no competition, and I think the point of the rival in the first place is to create one means of readership retention by encouraging readers to engage in "best girl" debates.
 
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I don't do well with blunt sex appeal, but reverse traps are cool.

I don't wanna say that a character can't be busty and have thick eyebrows... but there's something palpably aggravating and distracting to me about characters that look like they were the product of an aggressive attempt to create a design that would be sexually appealing to the reader.

That, and I don't like slogging through obviously fated-to-lose rivals processing and accepting their loss in the protag-bowl. It's not just a downer-- I already knew that was going to happen. There was no mystery, no competition, and I think the point of the rival in the first place is to create one means of readership retention by encouraging readers to engage in "best girl" debates.
I don't know for certain who they're referring to, all I know is that Ebino was best girl.
That was the point. The author and editors knew everyone liked Ebino best so they used her in all the advertising. But they refused to modify the script so she's still just a fated to lose rival.
 
That was the point. The author and editors knew everyone liked Ebino best so they used her in all the advertising. But they refused to modify the script so she's still just a fated to lose rival.
Again, I was completely out of the hype loop for this manga when it was still in serialization, so I don't have a complete idea about what you might be referring to beyond tankoubon covers and color pages for the magazine releases.

That said, what was the mangaka supposed to do? Have Tarou cuck his little brother while unraveling whatever knitting already done for intended story beats/character arcs/theme exploration? It's not "just" going to be modifying that beat, after all-- the consequences of that change would have invariably cascaded throughout the entire work backwards and forwards, likely impairing it.

Nay-- the second best option was to capitalize on her popularity to maintain and gain readership, especially since she was a major character either way (so it's not deceptive advertising).

...the best option would have been to not stack her that hard in the first place when she clearly wasn't the heroine, and wasn't ever going to win the Tarou-bowl. Stacking rivals like that should be illegal... unless you do something morbidly amusing like putting the offending rival in a coma so the heroine can train in a Hyperbolic Waifu Chamber.
 
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Again, I was completely out of the hype loop for this manga when it was still in serialization, so I don't have a complete idea about what you might be referring to beyond tankoubon covers and color pages for the magazine releases.

That said, what was the mangaka supposed to do? Have Tarou cuck his little brother while unraveling whatever knitting already done for intended story beats/character arcs/theme exploration? It's not "just" going to be modifying that beat, after all-- the consequences of that change would have invariably cascaded throughout the entire work backwards and forwards, likely impairing it.

Nay-- the second best option was to capitalize on her popularity to maintain and gain readership, especially since she was a major character either way (so it's not deceptive advertising).

...the best option would have been to not stack her that hard in the first place when she clearly wasn't the heroine, and wasn't ever going to win the Tarou-bowl. Stacking rivals like that should be illegal... unless you do something morbidly amusing like putting the offending rival in a coma so the heroine can train in a Hyperbolic Waifu Chamber.
This is why editors are important in manga. A classic anime example very similar to this? Urusei Yatsura. The author had intended for Ataru and Shinobu to be the main couple and had to be talked into changing it by her editors because it was her very first manga when Lum got insanely popular.

Consequently it serves as a much better love story than if she had just stuck with her original idea.
 
NTR is also popular among South Koreans, I've started to hear? Given the aforementioned rape problem and the popularity of NTR in the adjacent Japan, I can see that... but I couldn't tell you why.
My theory is that NTR is popular because men have grown up jacking off to pictures and videos of women getting fucked by other men instead of fucking the women themselves.
 
I'm a bit of a closet Korean webtoon fan, although I'm not happy with the direction that Lookism took it was a hell of a lot more engaging, at least in the beginning, than any American superhero shit coming out now.

And I used to like superheroes, I dunno what happened *sigh*
 
Webtoons look so fucking cheep and ugly by compression to even the most generic manga (maybe that's why its so popular, its easier to print it out faster). as far as i have seen, the most popular tags of Webtoons are Isekai and and Romance aimed at women and that says ALOT about the state of Korean society.
A lot of them do have that slice of life quality where the nerdy otaku meets up with the punk girl or whatever and they end up having sex or whatever. Pure incel wank fuel. There are some good ones but you really gotta dig.

The first chapter of Lookism is really fucking dark though and the series was actually pretty good before it went in a direction that had little to do with the original point that Taejoon Park was trying to make about the superficiality of Korean society.

 
I wish I could talk a lot Manga/Anime and my professional experience in this but as you know I've already have posted here my comic book back ground. I mention I got completely frozen out of the industry because of the genre of the time that all the major publishers were DEAD SET opposed to me. To the point of their whisper network freezing me out. I have never forgotten what they did to me and because of some of those assholes are still in the industry, I can not post or show my content here. I hate them so much that I will do one more comic/web comic before I die and tell my story on what they did to me.

I have a great many years studying the art of Eastern style of artwork and in detail what differs their approach from telling a story. The heroes Journey is very different in both parts of the world so if you really want to make it big in Asia you must understand the types of art styles and concepts.

First of all this article is full of shit and it is written by someone who did not study the genre of that region.

Next lets forget about the big eyes small mouth syndrome. I'm not going to talk about the lolicons nor the big titty women drawn as it is a cultural thing that goes far far deeper than I want to talk about. I've been reading 40+ titles so I can hone in on my writing/artistic skills as I have stated I'm going to do one more comic before I die and I am going to do it MY WAY... and because I have the money to do it MY WAY...

So... I'm going to focus on

1. Quality of story
2. Quality of artwork

1. Quality of Story. There are 3 different types of Anime and that reflects overall the quality of story.
There is Manga... which is Japanese. Manhwa which is S. Korean and Manhua which is Chinese.

Overall the quality of storyline comes from Japan is superior than the other two formats. I mean they fucking really put time and effort into their stories and I say this with great respect.

S. Korean comes in second, but they are getting better in their storytelling. However I find that their method of storytelling is very very formulated and after awhile it does not matter which Manhwa you pick up. The writing style of the heroes journey will be almost the same

China??? FUKKKKKKKK. Overall LOW QUALITY WRITING.... with the emphasis of a CHINESE SUPERIOURITY over everything through their version of MARTIAL ARTS (GASP). Yes their writing is shit... and it most covers anything and everything of their version of the Han dynasty....

This is my reply with Chinese writing.
do-vou-know-the-furniture-in-kung-fu-movies-breaks-41195060.png


The mantra is still strong here...
CHINA LIES....
CHINA CHEATS....
CHINA EATS ANYTHING...

Chinese writing in the anime genre just plain SUX.


Next lets talk about Artwork. When you do web comics almost all of the artists will fucking cut corners because to be honest THEY ARE FROM GENERATION FAIL. They have no fucking idea on concept of backlogs, just doing it right now and flash it out to the rest of the world. In the past 3 years I have must have rest hundreds of thousands of pages of... stuff and I have to shake my head on how this content is being created.

I know this to be fact as I have hired and fired many illustrators for their lack of effort on getting shit done on time.
And they can NOT give their damned excuse of how long shit takes, because I had to crank out 22 pages of month and we only has a pencil, inks and everything was done MANUALLY... SO go somewhere else with your pity fucks because I sure as hell don't give one shit about your excuses.

Anyhow, web comics should be a whole separate thing... but because of the wonders of technology... it is not and gets lumped into the genre diluting the quality of the work and content that you view.

Many of the Japanese artists go through the traditional method of producing hard copy AND THEN showing it online. IMHO this is the best way to show manga digitally. You have a hard copy and then you have a soft one and make money both ways... something that the article does not mentioned.

S. Korean illustration again is a close second but that depends on the format they use to illustrate their story and how they keep their schedule.

Now with the Chinese Manhua.. Got to be honest here. They do create some great eye candy but IMHO its the same shit over and over and over again (look at picture above to get my drift). S. Korean is guilty of this too but not that blatantly much.

Are there Gems in the Chinese Manhua? Of course there are, but the biggest threat to the Anime Genre is not the South Korean Manhwa but the Chinese Manhua. I mean just look at the two terms that they use to get people mixed up on what they look at.

They flood the market with so much shit to get some money from the gringo in the west that wants their big tittie girl swing their sword, flavor of the month.

As far as the Japanese market is concern as long they are willing to make strides into the digital divide IN THEIR WAY, then they will continue to be the forefront of the genre.

And finally.... I've been hearing the same shit of the demise of Japanese Manga/Anime for the past 20+ years... since the Great Japanese Depression commonly known as the "Lost Decade", which turned into the "Lost Generation" which IMHO they have never fully recovered.

I can't say what the future holds, but for now the Japanese market is just fine.
 
China??? FUKKKKKKKK. Overall LOW QUALITY WRITING.... with the emphasis of a CHINESE SUPERIOURITY over everything through their version of MARTIAL ARTS (GASP). Yes their writing is shit... and it most covers anything and everything of their version of the Han dynasty....

This is my reply with Chinese writing.



The mantra is still strong here...
CHINA LIES....
CHINA CHEATS....
CHINA EATS ANYTHING...

Chinese writing in the anime genre just plain SUX.

And they just copy tropes from Japanese manga
 
This is why editors are important in manga. A classic anime example very similar to this? Urusei Yatsura. The author had intended for Ataru and Shinobu to be the main couple and had to be talked into changing it by her editors because it was her very first manga when Lum got insanely popular.

Consequently it serves as a much better love story than if she had just stuck with her original idea.
I don't disagree with you for a second regarding the importance of editors.

Still, the same kind of change for Hatsukoi Zombie would have had to be based on a prediction, because its nature (i.e. from the start, there's multiple distinct character arcs and interpersonal developments that direct the story, all of which are guided by at least one theme) meant that the change had to be made in pre-planning.

Incidentally, not making a fated-to-lose rival so appealing was also something that to be done in said pre-planning... but I have the feeling that "at least conventionally attractive friend of the opposite sex that isn't the heroine and has no chance" is something that Japanese manga/LN editors insist on, seemingly especially in works they have faith in. I-- I can't even confidently hazard a guess as to why they do this.

You could get away with shifting intention like that in Urusei Yatsura, given it was very much a sitcom-- and that's putting aside that Ataru's relationship with Shinobu is developed as well as a sheet of paper from the very first chapter because he's already an unfaithful lech and their relationship is very obviously designated in what seems to be an environment where consequences only apply when it's funny. I'm just learning about what you're explaining-- that's how easily that change in intention worked out.

Considering the author's next work, there's a real chance she--
Crap, I thought she was a "he" this whole time.

I still have to read that one...
 
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That said, what was the mangaka supposed to do? Have Tarou cuck his little brother while unraveling whatever knitting already done for intended story beats/character arcs/theme exploration? It's not "just" going to be modifying that beat, after all-- the consequences of that change would have invariably cascaded throughout the entire work backwards and forwards, likely impairing it.
I think the author could have spun it as the existence of the first love, even personified by the zombie, not binding you for all eternity; it's okay to fall in love and be happy with someone who isn't your first love.
 
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